FK2180 and PW, not impressed....

-KGB-

-KGB-

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Well I bought into the hype with the all the posts on FK and I must admit I really do not think that it is anything special.



I started by washing with the foam gun, clayed with clay magic blue bar, then compounded out some scratches and swirls with the PC and orange LC pad and SSR2.5



I then applied two coats of 2180 in a row 45 mins apart to ensure coverage. Waited a day and applied another coat.



A day later I applied one coat of PW.



Its been 2 days now and plenty of time to cure and it just does not pop like I thought it would. From all the hype I was expecting a wet ball of sheetmetal, I just didnt get that. It does not look bad but it seems to be muted. I was thinking that it would let the metallic flake pop more.



I guess at this point I could see keeping the pink wax but the 2180 Im not interested in keeping. Has anyone used this and Werkstats(sp?) and can draw a comparison to the two (and a link to Jeffs would be nice)?



I have tried pretty much everything under the sun that can be bought OTC and at the big 4 online stores and still nothing in my mind is better than the looks and reactions by me and others when Zaino is used. Granted I am a very tough critic but I think its because I have been doing this over 4 years now and have lived through the hype of almost everything.



The only thing I hate about Zaino is mixing with that damn ZFX and those little bottles. I know that I can use the Z1 but that is just another thing I need to buy and spend $8 on shipping.
 
I never really liked the Zaino bottles for ZFX. They're sort of a pain. What if someone just wants to add one coat and not squeeze out a full ounce of Z2? How's the bottle gonna help in this case?



Link to Jeff's here
 
Pennypacker said:
I never really liked the Zaino bottles for ZFX. They're sort of a pain. What if someone just wants to add one coat and not squeeze out a full ounce of Z2? How's the bottle gonna help in this case?



Link to Jeff's here
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Exactly. Thanks for the link.
 
That's great to hear.....CRAP !! , I just ordered $100 worth of FK stuff and some of what you mentioned.
 
Don't take one members opinion as gold.

I have a sample of 2180. Applied with a Pakshak mf pad, left for 1 hour then removed

Next day - paint was damn slick but shine was only fractionally deeper and wetter

I don't think sealants really add that much extra gloss. I prefer slickness and durability over whatever shine boosting qualities they have



425 is great so I'll get the remaining ten products I thought were interesting from FK1 in a few months
 
We are different. My father can discover very subtle differences between LSPs and my mother can't. She likes Zaino, my father FK.



This is good. It gives diversity. I'll stay with FK.
 
Pennypacker said:
I never really liked the Zaino bottles for ZFX. They're sort of a pain. What if someone just wants to add one coat and not squeeze out a full ounce of Z2? How's the bottle gonna help in this case?
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then you just squeeze out 1/2 an ounce or just apply it out of the big bottle like any other sealant and you dont need zfx after the first coat
 
Patrick,



Yes, I think that 2180 is one of the greatest sealants on black.





KGB,



If you want mor flake pop (reflectivity can kill pop), try the 218/216/FX-100 combo, because it is warmer, tuned more towards carnauba.
 
I like what I've tried from FK so far, including PW, but I'm not at all put off by KGBs opinion. If everyone does nothing but gush over a product, let alone a whole product line, it starts to sound like a sickeningly sweet love-fest. Considering that we all have different tastes, our cars are different colors, we live in different climates, store our cars differently, etc, there's definitely no one-size-fits-all product.



I'm talking from a position of ignorance here because I haven't tried Zaino and haven't even played with my sample of 1000P yet, but I never had the impression that Zaino and PW were supposed to have the same look. PW is a 'nuba and some of the 'nuba folk have mentioned that they think Zaino is a little too 'harsh' for them. From what I've read, I got the impression that among the FK product line, I'd guess that 1000P is closer to Zaino in apperance, both in look and durability. Has anyone tried both have a comment to offer on this?
 
In my experience zaino is much brighter and more crisp than 1000p. 1000p is slightly more muted, but offers a lot more depth. The best way I can describe my experience with 1000p is this- A finished coated with just 1000p much resembles a finish that has been coated with both a sealant and topped with a 'nuba. It is very bright and slick, but also offers some of the depth and wetness often experienced by topping with a 'nuba. I can't comment on durability, as the longest I've had it applied on anything for is just over a month, and that finish has been topped with fx100 several times.
 
velobard said:
From what I've read, I got the impression that among the FK product line, I'd guess that 1000P is closer to Zaino in apperance, both in look and durability. Has anyone tried both have a comment to offer on this?
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Yep, I have all three. Although Pink is a 'nauba, it is quite clear and reflective. It adds depth and definition. However, 1000P has quite good depth on its own and it is not sterile at all.

In fact, it is similar to Z2Pro, but 'thicker' optically and in feel also (esp. from the 2nd-3rd coat). Interesting, that the FX-100 and 425 are gaining further slickness when sitting on the top of 1000P.
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
Hmmmm, I just did a Black 650i with 2180 and was quite impressed with its slickness, and ease of use. To me, Black is certainly the most discriminating color to work on, I thought the 2180 passed with flying colors, looked great!
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Oh I do not dispute that it is very easy to use and does produce some slickness. I guess I was stating that the look is not what I expected.
 
Bence said:
Patrick,



Yes, I think that 2180 is one of the greatest sealants on black.





KGB,



If you want mor flake pop (reflectivity can kill pop), try the 218/216/FX-100 combo, because it is warmer, tuned more towards carnauba.
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I appreciate the suggestion but I do not want to spend more money. I have a ton of other products I was just posting my inital reaction to 2180 and PW. I will keep the PW but the 2180 I will prolly get rid of.



Thanks.
 
Bence said:
Yep, I have all three. Although Pink is a 'nauba, it is quite clear and reflective. It adds depth and definition. However, 1000P has quite good depth on its own and it is not sterile at all.

In fact, it is similar to Z2Pro, but 'thicker' optically and in feel also (esp. from the 2nd-3rd coat). Interesting, that the FX-100 and 425 are gaining further slickness when sitting on the top of 1000P.
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Just a question, do you work for FK? You seem very passionate about everything that FK has. Just curious.
 
KGB, just out of curiousity what color is your car? From your comments, I'm guessing it's a darker color.



I can't try anything out on my car for a couple of months since I just got my car out of the body shop. Today's agenda is to use my new PC to take care of all the swirls they installed when they buffed out the new paint. :hm Wish I could take before and after pics, but we're getting ready to move and my wife accidently packed the charger for the digital camera and my 35mm, an old Canon A-1, has a sticky shutter so it's time for another expensive lube job. I can't imagine that a disposable camera would have decent macro focus to show the scratches. I don't know which FK products are supposed to be safe for new paint, so I'll stick with the Mequiars stuff I know is safe. Right now I'm not even sure whether it's a good idea to use 425.
 
velobard said:
KGB, just out of curiousity what color is your car? From your comments, I'm guessing it's a darker color.



I can't try anything out on my car for a couple of months since I just got my car out of the body shop. Today's agenda is to use my new PC to take care of all the swirls they installed when they buffed out the new paint. :hm Wish I could take before and after pics, but we're getting ready to move and my wife accidently packed the charger for the digital camera and my 35mm, an old Canon A-1, has a sticky shutter so it's time for another expensive lube job. I can't imagine that a disposable camera would have decent macro focus to show the scratches. I don't know which FK products are supposed to be safe for new paint, so I'll stick with the Mequiars stuff I know is safe. Right now I'm not even sure whether it's a good idea to use 425.
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"Polished Titanium"
 
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