trhland
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First pots in the US: Swissvax Insignis
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MuttGrunt said:
Why bothered with guys who start knocking a product without ever using it. Yes these boutique waxes are way over-priced but they do leave a finish most cheaper waxes can't match, but are they 20x better? most certainly not but that's alright by me. I love my Crystal Rock because it makes my client drool at the finishing...and that's good enough for me. Gonna give Insignis a try soon...but wait maybe I'll just save a few bucks and put on a Turtle Wax and pretend that my clients are all dumb :think:
Alfisti said:
yeah been there done that...suggest you put on something like a Crystal Rock after you tried the TW, then maybe you'll begin to see what I mean (tho I never say they are great value) If you don't see any difference, then fair enough it's not for you.
In the trade, I don't want to spent more than I need to but if it takes something like a Swissvax to consistently VOW my clients, then that's what I'll continue to use, marketing BS or not
I haven't tried Crystal Rock but have used many high-end waxes. To *my* eyes, there is a marginal improvement. But to most clients, they can't tell if I've used Victoria, World's Best Wax, Souveran, Autoglym HD Wax, Swissvax, Mothers, Megs, etc.
If you show them a fancy container then they tend to see what they want.
A very small percentage might actually see the difference.
If you show them a fancy container then they tend to see what they want.
A very small percentage might actually see the difference.
I personally would be slightly miffed I was to pay a reasonably high dollar amount for a detail, only to have Turtle Wax applied as my LSP.
What people forget is that a wax like Insignis will have some fantastic beading, along with amazing sheeting. On top of that, it will last more than 60 days. I don't think your Turtle Wax (even though you say they look the same) will provide that.
There is more to a wax than just looks.
And for the record, my truck with two layers of Insignis does look better than it did when I had Zaino on there.
To me, it's also about ease of use. I have used product that I thought were easy, until I used Insignis. I recently read a small review where a Mystery owner actually thought Insignis was easier to apply and remove.
What people forget is that a wax like Insignis will have some fantastic beading, along with amazing sheeting. On top of that, it will last more than 60 days. I don't think your Turtle Wax (even though you say they look the same) will provide that.
There is more to a wax than just looks.
And for the record, my truck with two layers of Insignis does look better than it did when I had Zaino on there.
To me, it's also about ease of use. I have used product that I thought were easy, until I used Insignis. I recently read a small review where a Mystery owner actually thought Insignis was easier to apply and remove.
I didn't say TW looks the same. I *did* suggest that some OTC waxes look brilliant, and that most people won't be able to tell the difference.
There are many waxes that look great and last for months. They do not look *the same*, but do look great.
On the other hand, there are waxes that are far cheaper and look as good as the over-hyped waxes. Most (even Autopians I'd suggest) would not be able to tell them apart.
The bottom line is that if you want to up-sell a detail to an expensive wax that a client believes is better, then go for it.
But that's different to the reality of price vs results. Remember, wax ingredients (even in the super-priced waxes) are super, super cheap. They may look great, but don't cost much to make.
It's how they market it that determines the price.
There are many waxes that look great and last for months. They do not look *the same*, but do look great.
On the other hand, there are waxes that are far cheaper and look as good as the over-hyped waxes. Most (even Autopians I'd suggest) would not be able to tell them apart.
The bottom line is that if you want to up-sell a detail to an expensive wax that a client believes is better, then go for it.
But that's different to the reality of price vs results. Remember, wax ingredients (even in the super-priced waxes) are super, super cheap. They may look great, but don't cost much to make.
It's how they market it that determines the price.
It is no different to the 1000's of different things we buy every day.
Some people spend loads of money on designer clothing. I've spent 500 on jeans for example. Compare that to a cheap arse pair of jeans, and there are discrete differences. One of the most important is the "cut" of the jeans. To the tossers who would pay me out for spending that much on jeans they could see no difference. But it was obvious to me. And other than that I just like owning expensive, brand name labels.
People by high end waxes for more than just "the look" or durability. Zymol Vintage for example might only bring that little bit extra to the table or some might argue it brings nothing extra, but 99% of you will never get to actually find out because you can't afford it.
Some people spend loads of money on designer clothing. I've spent 500 on jeans for example. Compare that to a cheap arse pair of jeans, and there are discrete differences. One of the most important is the "cut" of the jeans. To the tossers who would pay me out for spending that much on jeans they could see no difference. But it was obvious to me. And other than that I just like owning expensive, brand name labels.
People by high end waxes for more than just "the look" or durability. Zymol Vintage for example might only bring that little bit extra to the table or some might argue it brings nothing extra, but 99% of you will never get to actually find out because you can't afford it.
imported_paintxpert
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There is a guy in New York who charges about 2000 dollars for a Swiss Vax detail job. Its nice work if you can find it. My customers are losing there homes. There is a 7 percent foreclosure rate in our state right now....like I said its nice work if you can find it. Any expensive products, I have witnessed in my 38 years in business, I was not overly impressed with. Like I said, it does not really matter what you use to seal and protect as long as the panel is as perfect as you can possibly make it. Making the paint optically perfect is the goal ....I dont need 300 plus change waxes or polishes to accomplish that. Just my two cents for what it is worth. Once the panels are perfect ...you have arrived! No more products are needed.
Thomas Dekany
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paintxpert said:
Who is it?
Junebug
JAFO
Here's my take - if you can upsale a client and he'll pay for the pricey wax thinking that it really is all that, then good for you. It's free enterprise and nobody forces you to buy. Now, from a detailer's view point (mine) if the prep is 100%, then the LSP is well........I wouldn't spend over 50 bucks.
Alfisti said:
Insignis v1 was a very soft wax, which I did not have a problem with, but they made v2 a little harder. Also, the scent is slightly different. For the rest, identical.
JuneBug said:
I'm not a detailer, these are just for my own cars of the cars of my friends. Please note that only one of these pots is mine, the other two are sold.