Finish Kare does it again!

imported_Bence

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I’ve never thought that this little adventure will be such a worthy observation.



Lately, I was bored and decided to play around with my polishes and LSPs. The weather was quite fine (around16°C), so I started with an ONR wash’n clay. I pulled out my Scholl waxes as I’m still gathering experience with them, and the FK stuff, because I haven’t used them in ages (since Sept. :D).

Just for a bit more perfection, I polished my front fender and front door with Scholl S40 (1500 RPM, finishing pad) which provided a very crisp, wet surface, wiped it down with IPA and put on a coat of W06 liquid wax and a coat of W09 paste (actually, it is a pre-softened paste; a pudding) 30 minutes apart. They spread well, and after a couple of minutes of setting, I removed the haze. All went well, the surface felt thickly, heavily smooth. Removal was a bit grabby, even with very thin layers.

Then came the old 1000P. I prepped the rear door with OP on a finessing pad before, so application was a joy. I was floored when I removed the 1000P. It was sooo easy! I completely forgot the feel of it. Then came a layer of Pink Wax which cured for 5 minutes before removal. Again, extremely easy! Just for fun, I did a little control area on the rear fender too, between the door cutline and the gas cap, and left the fender itself untouched. It was polished in October and protected with OOS in early November. It still looked great, and had the best definition. I poured some water over the freshly waxed panels and as expected, they beaded up very nicely, and sheeted the water off.



Now comes the interesting part.



Next day it rained. I drove around in the city and the rain suddenly stopped. As I arrived home, I was shocked by the difference between the panels! I don’t know how the AS formulation plays a role in the dirt retention, but clearly the FK attracted less dirt and dust afterwards. Here you can see the dirt control of the Scholl waxes (marginal) and the FK duo. And yes, all cars look this dirty here after a short shower.



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Shortly after the rain – shocking difference





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Another angle





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The control area – distinct line





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The normal sticky Hungarian dirt after a 10 mile drive





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Homogeneous, even #26 side





Fast forward 7 days. During this period, the car stood 3 days (one rainy) at the Budapest airport while we visited the Geneva Motor Show.



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After a week the difference is less





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But upon closer examination…





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9 days – Even more dirt, even less difference





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Watch the smoothly even Scholl-dirt and the punctuated, dried beading type of the FK!





I pulled my pressure washer, the Gilmour, the 1Z Foamwash Double Strength and started to work. I pressure washed the side of the Camry with the Kärcher (water only), then let it dry to see the difference. Well, there was a difference! As you can see, the dirt stick to the old OOS and new Scholl panels while the FK panel (incl. the control area) clearly shows the superior dirt releasing ability of the FK stuff.





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FK is already glossy, the others are dirty





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No dirt on the FK side of the control area





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Good sheeting/beading – little water on the FK surface





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Clingy water on the Scholl panels





Then I foamed the car and washed it thoroughly with a MF mitt. I intentionally mixed a stronger mix of soap, to see if it had a negative influence on the waxes. Well, yep, the Scholls went practically dead, while the water jumped off the FK area.





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Loaded gun





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Thick 1Z foam!





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Clean FK





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Clean Scholl





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Clean, old, slow sheeting OOS





The FK duo feels very slick, the old OOS has a trace of slickness and comes back with a spritz of ONR, but the Scholls are dry and feel bare – after a little more than a week. They look still good though, but no match for the wonderfully pack-cured FKs and the old OOS.



The raw performance of the Victoria Cruising (the acrylic-enhanced Vic) on the hood is astounding. I put on two layers with my Bosch DA in late November. It was washed 3 or 4 times with ONR during the winter and QD’d with Victoria Wax QD. It holds up similarly or better than the Meg’s #16 on the roof, which IS the surprise of the year for me (count in the engine heat as well!). Pics were shot after powerwashing, so no soap was used; therefore beading is a bit flatter, especially the #16.





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Victoria’s Cruising amazes me with its durability





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Meg’s #16 is a good performer too





Final conclusion: it is crucial to use products which fit perfectly into the local conditions, are easy to use and provide excellent results, along with exemplary dirt retention. And to top that, when I use 425, the car attracts significantly less dust. Absolutely the best of both worlds.
 
Bence said:
And to top that, when I use 425, the car attracts significantly less dust.



agreed, that's one of the main reasons why i like FK425 so much. it's been windy the past week and i noticed once again when i used FK425, there was less dust on my car... :2thumbs:



shortly, i'll be using both the FK1 paste's again (weather permits)... :D
 
Hello!



Great to put a face to name i see on alot of forums, where did you get the 1z foam stuff from (im in the UK)? Im also a product-a-holic and want it now i have seen it!



Excellent review, i love Pink Wax and 425. I really think that Pink Wax is the natural progression from #16 for those Stateside that cannot get 16 anymore.



Just to to check, the Foampad Glaze (forget the number) which pad do you advise?



Thanks Again.



Geoff
 
Nice Boots! :D :D



Cool thread. I've never tried anything like this. My cars dont get THAT dirty after a trip in the rain though. Whoa!
 
Geoff, the 303 Foam Pad Glaze can be used with a stiffer light cut or polishing pad or a finishing pad.



I got the 1Z from the local importer. We have a few bizz things together so I got quite a lot of 1Z stuff.



Wade, I was wearing a light jeans (not strictly for car washing) so my precious little boots were a must! :D



This dirt question is so interesting because in the neighborhood Austria, the cars tend to be cleaner after a rainfall - just as in the States. Yet here, the rain is dirtier, but especially the streets... So, LSPs are tortured here mercilessly.
 
Thanks - I now know which car is going to get the FK products I've never had time to try - MINE! I'm going for the 2180 sealer and Pink Wax, I have the Glaze too - would that be better before the wax? or last? Or skip it?
 
Bence- Great write-up, and a good, interesting choice of products and methodology too :xyxthumbs



Do you think the Pink Wax topper over the 1000P helped or hindered things (or had no effect) with regard to dirt retention?



Oh, and I'll humbly suggest that you consider replacing your foamgun's pistol-grip with an inline shutoff valve. Perhaps it's just me, but I found the latter much more user-friendly.
 
Great writeup Bence.

I'm glad I live in Canada because our dirt isn't anywhere near as sticky as your Hungarian dirt. The shot of the foam gun with the 1Z is very impressive as well. You could shave with it, it's almost that thick. I'm going to see if Gilmour makes a mini foam gun just for shaving.

You've inspired me, I'm going to give the cars another spritz with FK-425 right now.

-John C.
 
Accumulator, I truly don't know if the Pink Wax had a prononced influence on the dirt retention. FK always performed great for me - in this case the difference was so extreme...



Yes, I thinking about a better solution, because the pistol grip is sometimes a bit awkward - but on the other side, I really like the variable pattern of water it shoots out just by varying, adjusting the trigger.



John, yes, you are lucky. I don't know what causes this stickiness. OK, there is a considerable diesel percentage on the Hungarian roads, but IMO this is not an excuse. Sweeper trucks working busily, there are good filtering systems on the factory chimneys (we are part of the EU), so I have no sound explanation.

I love to use these soaps! I have an Auwa shampoo which makes even thicker, fluffier foam, but the 1Z is more aggressive.



Fallguy, I applied the FK waxes by hand with a yellow Meg's applicator.
 
stiffdogg, I'm using a Gilmour Foamaster II with the adjuster dial. Its plastic parts are not so sensitive to harsher chemicals as the original's brass parts.
 
Hi Bence,



That is an excellent writeup :bigups

I have 2 layers of 1000P on the engine hood of my Nissan Latio (Versa/Tiida) and I noticed that it stays clean longer than the other panels with JW AJ (right door panels and roof) and Autoglym EGP (left doors).

If I remember correctly, 1000P has already been on the engine hood since late November. The beading isn't as tight as when it is first applied but it still beads very well. Even when the car (daily driver) isn't washed for 2 weeks, the beads are averaging 1.5cm over a thing layer of dirt :chuckle:
 
Yep, 1000P has the power to bead through a sound dirt layer.



BTW, I tested a Tiida Latio a couple of months ago, and its quietness and roominess surprised me. Great little car.
 
Bence said:
... the pistol grip is sometimes a bit awkward - but on the other side, I really like the variable pattern of water it shoots out just by varying, adjusting the trigger..



This is what I'm using:

Touch and Flow Valve - Cleaning Tools - Car Washing - Car Care - Griot's Garage



I have a quick-disconnect on both ends of it which allow for easy/full swiveling as well as easy on/off connections.



It doesn't offer *full* flow, and that might be a deal-breaker for you depending on your water delivery :think: With my boosted pressure (noting that doesn't help with *volume* ) it works out fine, at least for the way I use the foamgun. Very, very user-friendly and it's not hard to modulate (I too find that handy).
 
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