Evolution or Intelligent Design?

[CalgaryDetail]

Look for the evidence of a transitional fossil and you can't.
Lucy , Piltdown man all hoaxes .
True the Bible is not a scientific book but when it does speak of scientific items they are corect unlike any other "religious' book .

The Bible speaks of dinosaurs
also mentions curvature of the earth when everyone else thought it was flat.
why was circumcision done on the 8th day because vitamin k was most present on that day vitamin K helps make the blood clot.
Bible says life of the body is in the blood well we know that now but back then they used blood letting to heal.

mutations are mostly harmful, and as time goes on, they impose an increasingly 'genetic burden" on a species. What are some beneficial mutations well there is only one sickle cell anemia disease of red blood cells.
Benificial cause in Africa Malaria the malaria leaves the sickle -cell alon.
but the cost is high: 25% of the children of carriers die of sickle-cell anemia
> if you want to call that a good mutation , your welcome to it.

regards mongo

Heres the problem with that statement. The bible has been changed to fit the needs of its beurociecy (sp). The king jamesbible is nolonger considered to be the most correct english version as it is to poetic. The american standard is more acurate. Also as already mentioned we dont know what bible you are reading. Unfortunly there are tomany edits to "prove" such sientific facts, as well as things such as vitiam K are from experiance. Jesus was not the first to be cirumsied (it was a jewish covet from god) and therfore it was most likely an experiance thing over a know scientifc or medical fact. The knowledge was there to have medical facts such as that in 1AD

 

[JaredPointer]

Heres the problem with that statement. The bible has been changed to fit the needs of its beurociecy (sp). The king jamesbible is nolonger considered to be the most correct english version as it is to poetic.

The KJV was never considered to be "the most accurate." It was written to allow English speaking people to read the Bible for themselves in a time when only scholars of Greek and Hebrew (and the few "educated" and rich of the day) had access to the scriptures. There's a lot to know about the history of the KJV, and I don't know enough about it to feel comfortable going into detail. As far as "changing" the Bible, only the translations (i.e. modern wording) has changed. It can all still be traced back to the oldest manuscripts we have with very little "change" in overall meaning.

The american standard is more acurate.

The New American Standard is the most literal. That doesn't make it the most accurate. It only means that the translators strived to translate the exact meanings of the Greek and Hebrew words into English, which cannot always be done.

Also as already mentioned we dont know what bible you are reading. Unfortunly there are tomany edits to "prove" such sientific facts, as well as things such as vitiam K are from experiance.

There's plenty of factual writing other than the Bible (and other than religious texts) to corroborate the events that took place in the Bible.

Jesus was not the first to be cirumsied (it was a jewish covet from god) and therfore it was most likely an experiance thing over a know scientifc or medical fact. The knowledge was there to have medical facts such as that in 1AD

The circumcision was a part of the old covenant of God with His chosen nation. It had nothing to do with science or experience.

There's a lot more that goes into every statement that I made, but I don't want to go into a lot of stuff that I don't feel qualified to make a statement about. There's a lot more people who know a lot more about this sort of thing, and to spout out my personal opinions doesn't do me or anyone else justice. Depending on the side you take, you can find "evidence" to support either side. That's one reason it's important to read the Bible as a whole rather than taking parts to suit needs of individual stances. It's also important to take into consideration the element of faith - you either have faith that the Bible is true in what it says or that it's not. It's a decision each person has to make on their own.

 

[Jen@autogeek]

Here is a pic that I though the evolutionists would like. Since we apparently evolved from apes, maybe some of you might wanna go "old school" and check out this sexy momma. Her arms are a little too hairy for me but maybe someone with a "missing link fetish" might get into a girl like her.

I just keep wondering where in the world you found that pic! YIKES!!!

 

[The Fuzz]

I just keep wondering where in the world you found that pic! YIKES!!!

Believe it or not I was searching Google Images for Wax Blaster and found it. Check out this link and scroll down: wax blaster - Google Image Search

 

[Jen@autogeek]

Believe it or not I was searching Google Images for Wax Blaster and found it. Check out this link and scroll down: wax blaster - Google Image Search

OH my gosh!! That's hilarious! BTW Fuzz, I just showed that pic to my 9 year old daughter and she was laughing, then she looked at the pic in your avatar and said,"he's so handsome" She likes your signature as well! LOL

 

[Mr. Clean]

I have a question for those who believe in the evolution theory.

If we (man) evolved from apes, why are there still apes? Why did they not "evolve" themselves into extinction?

I am still a big KJV lover. I have other versions to reference for comparison, but give the the KJV in large print as my "go to"

I have faith, therefore I am

Somewhat straying from the primary topic, yet still on track...

Has anyone heard one of the greatest songs going right now (IMO, of course). It is on the country charts, by Brooks and Dunn...I Believe And add another, a duet by Brad Paisley and Dolly Parton When I Get Where I'm Going Both filled with faith based lyrics.

 

[GearHead_1]

I'm with you on King James but I can't follow you into the Country Western realm.

 

[Mr. Clean]

...but I can't follow you into the Country Western realm

Hey, it's an easy leap Dip your toes in by checking out those two songs anyway. Great stuff. This from an ex 60's-70's rocker, with a healthy appreciation of some of the 50's works. Also enjoy good Blues, Jazz, and Folk (if you can find that anymore). Acutally my musical interests are all over the board, but nothing on the FM side of radio stimulates me. No one knows how to rock 'n roll any more. Yeah, I watch SuperNova, they're not it.

 

[Scott P]

I have a question for those who believe in the evolution theory.

If we (man) evolved from apes, why are there still apes? Why did they not "evolve" themselves into extinction?

I'm not a biologist, but it could possibly that a certain species of ape did the evolving. Maybe the changes simply didn't occur in the other species.

Somewhat straying from the primary topic, yet still on track...

Has anyone heard one of the greatest songs going right now (IMO, of course). It is on the country charts, by Brooks and Dunn...I Believe And add another, a duet by Brad Paisley and Dolly Parton When I Get Where I'm Going Both filled with faith based lyrics.

I've said it for many years. Writing country music is easy. Just mention America, Jesus or death and you have yourself a country western hit.

 

[Mr. Clean]

...I've said it for many years. Writing country music is easy. Just mention America, Jesus or death and you have yourself a country western hit.

If it were easy, everyone would do it :wink: And your formulation is slightly askew. Steve Goodman/David Alan Coe laid out the formula in DAC's song You Never Even Call Me By My Name It goes like this

It was all that I could do to keep from cryin'
Sometimes it seems so useless to remain
You don't have to call me darlin', darlin'
You never even call me by my name.

You don't have to call me Waylon Jennings
And you don't have to call me Charlie Pride.
You don't have to call me Merle Haggard, anymore.
Even though your on my fightin' side.

CHORUS
And I'll hang around as long as you will let me
And I never minded standin' in the rain.
You don't have to call me darlin', darlin'
You never even call me by my name.

I've heard my name a few times in your phone book
I've seen it on signs where I've laid
But the only time I know, I'll hear David Allan Coe
Is when Jesus has his final judgement day.

CHORUS...

Well, a friend of mine named Steve Goodman wrote that song
and he told me it was the perfect country and western song
I wrote him back a letter and told him it was NOT the perfect
country and western song because he hadn't said anything about
Momma, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or gettin' drunk.
Well, he sat down and wrote another verse to the song and he sent
it to me and after reading it, I realized that my friend had written
the perfect country and western song. And I felt obliged to include it
on this album. The last verse goes like this here:

Well, I was drunk the day my Mom got outta prison.
And I went to pick her up in the rain.
But, before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
She got runned over by a damned old train.

CHORUS:

So I'll hang around as long as you will let me
And I never minded standin' in the rain. No,
You don't have to call me darlin', darlin'
You never even call me, I wonder why you don't call me
Why don't you ever call me by my name.

 

[CARTfan]

I have a question for those who believe in the evolution theory.

If we (man) evolved from apes, why are there still apes? Why did they not "evolve" themselves into extinction?

We didn't evolve "from" apes. Humans and apes diverged (are on two separate evolutionary paths) from a common ancestor and continue to evolve along different paths. So we "share" a common ancestor, but apes are not our ancestors. Just some trivia: Human DNA and Chimpanzee DNA are 99% similar. In the grand scheme of things, we are just another species occupying this planet...This offends some people, but humans think that just because we have the capacity for complex thought, that we are exempted from the laws of nature and are in some way superior. LIke its ok for other organisms to evolve, but not me. I was made perfect from the get go. Just think of all the people you know with back problems, shoulder problems, knees, hips, cancer, and on and on. Pretty obvious what side I'm on. Was never a fan of religion for scaring people in to doing "good". I do believe in God though, just not intelligent design.

 

[Mr. Clean]

We didn't evolve "from" apes. Humans and apes diverged (are on two separate evolutionary paths) from a common ancestor and continue to evolve along different paths. So we "share" a common ancestor, but apes are not our ancestors. Just some trivia: Human DNA and Chimpanzee DNA are 99% similar.

It is my belief that Genesis 1:27 cleary defines my ancestry:
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

In the grand scheme of things, we are just another species occupying this planet...This offends some people, but humans think that just because we have the capacity for complex thought, that we are exempted from the laws of nature and are in some way superior.

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Going back to the 26th verse he also defined man's role in the scheme of things. As I read the verse, we are superior.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Was never a fan of religion for scaring people in to doing "good".

I don't view "religion" as being something intended for or used to scare people. A church is a gathering of believers helping/supporting one another. Being or doing "good" is not the path to salvation.

I do believe in God though, just not intelligent design.

This really confuses me.

 

[CARTfan]

Originally Posted by CARTfan
I do believe in God though, just not intelligent design.

This really confuses me

Well, if God is so great that he can just "poof" create something out of nothing as incredible as the human form is, why can't God have designed evolution to work the way it does?

 

[Spilchy]

Didn't Lot sleep with his kids to preserve the seed of man? Wouldn't that make us a product of incest? icky.

So were humans hanging out with dinasours 165 million years ago up until they went extinct 65 million years ago? Also if Noah went through all the trouble of keeping animals alive, why did he kick the dinasours to the curb? I mean those things were bad a$$, why let them all die? Did he save every insect, animal, fish etc... or just a handful? How many did he take? Genesis 7:2 says one number and then Genesis 7:9 says another. Did God go on to create all the billions of life forms after the flood that Noah couldn't save in the boat or was he finished after the 7th day way back when?

Given that the Hebrew bible (or "Old" Testament) starts off with Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradicting each other, I soon checked my creationist beliefs at the door when I suffered through Hebrew school every Sunday as a kid.

Currently 20 of the 32 armed conflicts around the world are fueled by religion. If those who believe in the Creationist story were born Hindu, you'd believe something else about man's creation and then type that here, therefore rendering, in my opinion, religion fundamentally relative and lacking when it comes to explaining the scientific facts about the world's origin.

 

[Troy@Protekt]

Stumbled across this one and thought it deserved a bump.

 

[Tex Star Detail]

no it didn't.... lol

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

I do believe in God though, just not intelligent design.

How about unintelligent design? :lol2:

 

[Troy@Protekt]

no it didn't.... lol

I wasn't asking you. :nana:

 

[tuscarora dave]

All I know is that I would rather believe in what the bible teaches, And in the end find out I was right than to disbelieve and in the end find out I was wrong. TD

 

[Tex Star Detail]

I wasn't asking you. :nana:

:surrender