Einszett vs. Menzerna polishes

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velobard

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It won't be long until I tackle my spring polishing to take care of the marring from over the winter. I have a few samples of various polishes, but I'd like to settle more or less on one primary line to work with. From reading here there ones that most catch my attention right now are 1Z Einszett or Menzerna.



On my primary car there's mostly just minor stuff to correct, but I will have need for more aggressive products to tackle who-knows-what since I'm planning to pick up a beater soon for the kids to drive. I also plan on trying to help out some friends' cars, but nothing for pay. Obviously, I'll need at least a couple of different products for different needs. I've been thinking of getting more than the tiny sample I have of 106FF and I have samples of IP and FP on the way. I haven't had a chance to touch 1Z's products.



Anyway, I'd like to hear from anyone who's used polishes from both of these companies. How do they compare? I have a PC, but I also just picked up a Metabo that I'll be learning how to use this summer.
 
Both companies produce polishes of the very highest quality.When i polish,specifically when i am doing corection work, i would choose Menzerna IP/FP,over the Einszett polishes.



However,when i am working by hand,i allways choose the Einszett products,MP/PP.For me it is strictly a preference,you can not go wrong by using any of the polishes offered by both companies.
 
I've done a lot of research and I decided to go with the 1Z PP and 476s. Since I don't have much time to detail, 476s should give me longer protection. I don't have major marring and I plan on doing it by hand. Accumalator swears by 1Z products and I'm sure he'll chime in with his opinion. Luckily I was able to find 1Z products locally.



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velobard said:
Anyway, I'd like to hear from anyone who's used polishes from both of these companies. How do they compare? I have a PC, but I also just picked up a Metabo that I'll be learning how to use this summer.
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Velo, I've got a variety of both. IMO, the Menzerna polishes correct. The 1Z products tend to hide, at least the ones I have. I am not saying one is better than the other, I really like them both. With that said, don't overlook the Optimum polish...that is becoming my go-to polish when I have time to play :waxing:
 
If you are using a rotary, Menzerna is the best choice. On my black Audi, the FPII left a very slight marring, due I believe, to the polish, designed to be used with a rotatary, not breaking down completely.



If you are using a PC or by hand, use 1Z polishes. It does some correction and some filling, but it looks great. Even on black.



Sam
 
tom p. said:
Velo, I've got a variety of both. IMO, the Menzerna polishes correct. The 1Z products tend to hide, at least the ones I have. I am not saying one is better than the other, I really like them both. With that said, don't overlook the Optimum polish...that is becoming my go-to polish when I have time to play :waxing:
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I have some OC but from what I've read here a couple of times, Menzerna works faster and finishes out great. I have no worries about being able to do a good job with Optimum stuff, but if I can save a noticeable amount of time with Menzerna then I'd rather go in that direction. I know, especially from Accumulator, that 1Z polishes work great by hand but I plan on doing most of my polishing by machine. There's always those pesky spots you have to do by hand, especially in around door handles. I would rather depend on my polishes to correct. Frankly, if I feel it's still necessary to hide anything I'll go to my glazes for that. Of course, this year I have some Zymol I want to try out so I'll have to depend on polishes that do a good job of correction since Zymol doesn't get along too well with anything under it.
 
Horses for courses IMO. If topping with wax I'd go with 1Z, if going with a sealant I'd lean towards Menzerna. If working by hand I'd go with 1Z. While the Menzerna finishing polishes get a lot of attention these days (I myself bought some of the BF/Menzerna SCR finishing polish, but I haven't used it yet) the Pro version of 1Z MP left a better finish on my S8 than the menzerna FP did, this was a direct comparison that lead me to choose the Pro MP as my final "burnishing" product for that car (and the UPP bonds fine).



Oh, and while all the 1z stuff does some hiding (due to what it leaves behind), the Ultra/Extra might be the most abrasive stuff around for use by hand.
 
Well, I have to say this thread has led me in the exact direction I was hoping to avoid...I have to buy both! LOL Perhaps some MP and Ultra from 1Z, and some 106FF (or 106FA if it becomes available soon enough) to go along with the Menzerna I already have.



BTW Accumulator, I've read here a few times that some folks seem to prefer 106FF over the Blackfire version. It apparently does dust a little easier, but they didn't seem to consider that a big deal and some mix is 70/30 with RMG for extra lube. You might have seen that yourself, I just thought I'd mention it in case you'd missed it. Makes for a good excuse to add yet one more product to your shelf. ;) Speaking of which, I was organizing my detailing shelves today. I really need to cull down my collection!
 
I hear people talking about using 1Z by hand can it be used by machine with good results?





I have SRC and it left the nicest finish I have personally seen
 
DieselMDX said:
I hear people talking about using 1Z by hand can it be used by machine with good results?
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Yes! I've read enough around here to be confident of that answer.



I have SRC and it left the nicest finish I have personally seen
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I probably should have worded that differently, by no means did I intend to put down Blackfire products.
 
velobard said:
Yes! I've read enough around here to be confident of that answer.





I probably should have worded that differently, by no means did I intend to put down Blackfire products.
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o no I didnt take it as a shot at them i just like that polish :chuckle:
 
velobard said:
Well, I have to say this thread has led me in the exact direction I was hoping to avoid...I have to buy both! LOL Perhaps some MP and Ultra from 1Z, and some 106FF (or 106FA if it becomes available soon enough) to go along with the Menzerna I already have.



BTW Accumulator, I've read here a few times that some folks seem to prefer 106FF over the Blackfire version. It apparently does dust a little easier, but they didn't seem to consider that a big deal and some mix is 70/30 with RMG for extra lube. You might have seen that yourself, I just thought I'd mention it in case you'd missed it. Makes for a good excuse to add yet one more product to your shelf. ;) Speaking of which, I was organizing my detailing shelves today. I really need to cull down my collection!
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(or 106FA if it becomes available soon enough)

what is 106FA?

Is that a new version of 106FF?
 
Fskof said:
(or 106FA if it becomes available soon enough)

what is 106FA?

Is that a new version of 106FF?
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Yes, it's apparently going to be the new version from what I can tell. A couple of guys here from Europe have talked about getting beta samples to try out. Do a search here and you should find a little info, but I haven't found any indication when it's expected to be available. I can't remember all the details, but I know they said you could work it longer.
 
Fskof said:
(or 106FA if it becomes available soon enough)

what is 106FA?

Is that a new version of 106FF?
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Don't think it's a Beta Version, it's out in EU for sure. It dusts less than 106FF.
 
SamIam said:
If you are using a rotary, Menzerna is the best choice. On my black Audi, the FPII left a very slight marring, due I believe, to the polish, designed to be used with a rotatary, not breaking down completely.



If you are using a PC or by hand, use 1Z polishes. It does some correction and some filling, but it looks great. Even on black.



Sam
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Not always. A few others are there that are just as good and work better on certain cars

I've got 1Z Pro Line Metallic polish and used it in combo with a few other polishes on a black ford probe

It tends to dry up a bit quick and works best at 1400 rpm.

Should not hide anything as it's not the same as the consumer polish line which has wax in it
 
SilvaBimma said:
Don't think it's a Beta Version, it's out in EU for sure. It dusts less than 106FF.
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Hmmm, all I know is what I could find here and through google after i heard about it. Do you have any clue who's selling it on the other side of the pond?
 
SVR said:
I've got 1Z Pro Line Metallic polish and used it in combo with a few other polishes on a black ford probe..Should not hide anything as it's not the same as the consumer polish line which has wax in it
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Glad to hear I'm not the only person still using 1Z Pro MP...



It *does* do a tiny bit of concealing though, so I only use it on finishes that I already have basically marring-free. The stuff it leaves behind is "synthetic wax" (whatever that is), according to the guys at 1Z. yeah, the consumer version conceals more; it has both the synthetic stuff and some carnauba in it (and milder abrasives).



Velobard- Heh heh, no more new polishes for me! I'm not even sure what I'll use the BF SRC stuff on...I really have my various routines sorted out pretty well as it is.



BTW, that might be a big jump, from Ultra to MP...I'd be prepared to do something in-between.



DieselMDX- One of the nice things about 1Z stuff is how well it works by *all* methods, from rotary to PC/Cyclo to hand. For cases when the filling/wax/etc. isn't an issue it's really nice stuff. Everybody has their favorites and their also-rans, but for some reason I simply *like* using 1z polishes and sometimes that's worth something beyond just the product's performance...subjective stuff can matter too ;)
 
Accumulator said:
BTW, that might be a big jump, from Ultra to MP...I'd be prepared to do something in-between.
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Any suggestions? I don't know the 1Z line well enough to predict the results.
 
velobard said:
Hmmm, all I know is what I could find here and through google after i heard about it. Do you have any clue who's selling it on the other side of the pond?
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Ask the UK/Spain/Portugal People, seen a few of those Detailers using them. I'm quite jealous that they can get the 32oz polishes of any of the Menzerna polishes. Then again we have Blackfire SRC.



I'd rather have 085RD3.02, 085RD, and 106A. It's all real preference however, in the end.
 
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