Do you Drink?

I'll have 1 drink after work about 2 times a week and on Saturday I'll have plenty if I'm in the mood. Long Island for me and I use all the good stuff to reduce any chance of a hang over, that cheap stuff gives me a bad headache while drinking it.
 
kingDavid76 said:
I tasted beer once when I was a kid, Ever since then never again will I taste alcohol, Its just trash for your body.





Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, Strong drink is a brawler, And whoever is led astray by it is not wise





Proverbs 23:

30 Those who linger long at the wine, Those who go in search of mixed wine. 31 Do not look on the wine when it is red, When it sparkles in the cup, When it swirls around smoothly; 32 At the last it bites like a serpent, And stings like a viper. 33 Your eyes will see strange things, And your heart will utter perverse things. 34 Yes, you will be like one who lies down in the midst of the sea, Or like one who lies at the top of the mast, saying: 35 "They have struck me, but I was not hurt; They have beaten me, but I did not feel it. When shall I awake, that I may seek another drink?"





Please remember for every time you drink there is a evil spirit behind that drink.



In 1 Timothy 5:23 Paul advises not to drink only water recommends a little wine to Timothy. Paul was wishing an evil spirit to inflict Timothy?
 
I'm 18 here. Tasted beer once, didnt like it at all. Got into bodybuilding as a second hobby to car detailing and learned a lot by myself about how the body works and takes in different stuff. I havent read an article that said drinking alcohol is good for you except for one glass of red wine a day might help. I'm in my first year in college and taking some health classes and the pictures of livers my health teacher show us of alcoholics is sick. Alcohol destroys your liver like crazy and so do other stuff like sport supplements and energy drinks that people use a lot today. I try to take care of myself through nutrition and working out and I am not gonna ruin my hard work in the gym and in the kitchen(cookind) by guzzlin some beer. I also know how to have a good time without it and have made friends that are just like me that know how to have fun without it too. It keeps me out of trouble.
 
kingDavid76 said:
I tasted beer once when I was a kid, Ever since then never again will I taste alcohol...



Maybe that was the problem! I don't remember beer being a "kids" beverage, and I can't imagine any kid actually liking beer. ;) How do you know you don't like beer as an adult? People's tastes change (often dramatically) as they age. Heck, when I was a kid I wouldn't even touch BBQ ribs, and now they are at the top of my list as favorite foods! Actually a slab o' ribs and a cold beer is a match made in heaven...or is that hell? lol :rofl



Your post reminded me of those guys that stand out on the street preaching/yelling and holding those "you're going to hell" signs when attending concerts and the like. Ya know, I think that if I'm not coming to your house/street bringing my "evil" beverages and drunken slander for you to partake, why then do those people feel the need to come to me (and everyone else) and bring their "holier than thou" jollies and preachin'? I mean, preaching on an internet forum that drinking is evil? Come on, is your life perfect and sinless? Come on now, confess your vices, so we can preach too!
 
bert31 said:
In 1 Timothy 5:23 Paul advises not to drink only water recommends a little wine to Timothy. Paul was wishing an evil spirit to inflict Timothy?
And those Trappist monks? Belgian (and a few German) devil-worshipers, every one . . .



They make damn good beer for a bunch of heathens, though. :D



Tort
 
In alberta we can drink at 18... when i was underage i did not drink, i had the odd drink but nothing crazy.



once you are able to go to pubs and bars (i like pubs) drinking changes. I like to drink. I will admit it. I am the kinda guy who likes to drink and have fun when doing it.



I never force drinking on anyone, buit like mentioned earlier, wait till you are legal, drinking is a while diffrent expeirence
 
Bert,



when Paul told Timothy to drink wine. why did he tell him that?



5:23

No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities

Ephesians 5:

17 Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,



back then Wine did not have that much Alcohol. they were using grape juice.



A Preview of Wine in the Bible



Im not here to start a fight with anyone. I just want people to know the TRUTH.
 
themightytimmah said:
21 here... used to drink like a fish (18/19), quit for a while, now im mostly back to moderation.



Josh - I've got acid reflux too and I used to take 3-4 ranitidine tablets before drinking. Took the burn right out for me.





Are type O blood?
 
kingDavid76 said:
back then Wine did not have that much Alcohol. they were using grape juice.

I just want people to know the TRUTH.





Good grief! And, you were there? You have a sample of that Biblical wine? I think if they were using grape juice, it would SAY grape juice, there is a big big difference. Why would the Bible allude to and condemn getting "drunk" on wine, if wine were only grape juice and had no effect on the body? I love grape juice, but according to the passages you're a preachin', I've never been "drunk with grape juice", despite the bible saying "wine." Wine is wine, juice is juice. If you're gonna go that far, you may as well say beer is mostly water, and therefore water (beer) is good for you! :D



Define a "little" wine also? Is a little a half a glass? A whole bottle? Is a little beer, just one bottle? A six pack? 2 six packs? Like many things in the great book, it is filled with ambiguities and interpretations....



And just so I can be right as rain, I do use beer for my frequent infirmities, i.e. stress!
 
How did this thread turn into a biblical argument???



Yes, I drink... I didn't really drink until I was 20, didn't like beer until I was 22. I drank pretty heavily in college and loved every minute of it!!! I'm 29 now and I still drink. I don't drink every day, but I do drink socially and like to sit home & have a drink or 2 as well. I drank 2 Jack & Coke's last night while watching TV. I usually drink beer in the spring/summer, then liquor in the fall/winter, but could drink a Jager Bomb anytime!!!!
 
kingDavid76 said:
Bert,



when Paul told Timothy to drink wine. why did he tell him that?



5:23

No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities

Ephesians 5:

17 Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,



back then Wine did not have that much Alcohol. they were using grape juice.



A Preview of Wine in the Bible



Im not here to start a fight with anyone. I just want people to know the TRUTH.



Actually back then, wine had a typical amount of alcohol in it. It was abolitionists desperate attempts to remove alcohol wine from the bible which lead to the myth that biblical wine did not have alcohol or just had a minimal amount.



If you read the New Testament in its original lanuage (mostly Koine Greek) the word used for wine was OISNOS in that passage. In any writings found in areas under Roman/Greek influence 2000 years ago (biblical or not), when the word OISNOS was used, it was used to describe wine with typical alcohol content. So it is safe to assume that Paul was referring to wine similar to what we have today.



Further proof, in Matthew 9:17, Jesus is using analogies and one was that you would not put new wine in an old wine container. What he is talking about when he says "new wine" is wine that has not fermented. When wine ferments, it gives up a large amount of carbon dioxide like all alcohols do. So back 2000 years ago, they would put new wine inside a "new container" and seal it. As the wine fermented and gave off carbon dioxide, the new container (which was made of tightly woven leather) would stretch. A stretched container was then considered an old container which held old fermented wine. They would not put new unfermented wine inside a stretched old container because if you tried to stretch it again, the seams would burst. Hence the anology. Wine is wine. They were not drinking Welch's at the last supper.
 
I find the revisionist history of wine in the bible being non-alcoholic amusing. Alcohol was an important preservative and antiseptic in ancient times. Beer and wine were the standard daily fare for many ancient peoples because, unlike the water out of the stream or river, beer and wine were relatively pathogen-free. Beer, depending on how it's brewed, can also be quite nourishing, rich in carbohydrates and vitamins, and it doesn't spoil easily. There's a reason it's been referred to as "liquid bread".



Wine is an important part of Jewish tradition, culture, and religion. Jesus was Jewish, was he not?



Lechaim,

Tort
 
TortoiseAWD said:
I find the revisionist history of wine in the bible being non-alcoholic amusing. Alcohol was an important preservative and antiseptic in ancient times. Beer and wine were the standard daily fare for many ancient peoples because, unlike the water out of the stream or river, beer and wine were relatively pathogen-free. Beer, depending on how it's brewed, can also be quite nourishing, rich in carbohydrates and vitamins, and it doesn't spoil easily. There's a reason it's been referred to as "liquid bread".



Wine is an important part of Jewish tradition, culture, and religion. Jesus was Jewish, was he not?



Lechaim,

Tort



I forgot about that fact. Alcohol was a very important preservative in liquids up until the days of water treatment like we have today. Before water treatment, the water of those days could build bacteria and other organisms in it (similar to the water in 3rd world contries). A little alcohol in it would prevent the bacteria.
 
A Preview of Wine in the Bible



Jesus and Wine. The next logical step was to examine the major wine-related stories or sayings of Jesus since these are commonly used to prove that Christ made, commended, used and even commanded the use of alcoholic wine. In Chapter 5 I went into considerable detail to examine these claims. The conclusion of my analysis is that they are devoid of textual, contextual and historical support.



The "good wine" Jesus made at Cana (John 2:10) was "good" not because of its high alcoholic content, but because it was fresh, unfermented grape juice. This is indicated by external and internal considerations. Externally, contemporary authors, such as Pliny and Plutarch, attest that "good wines" were those which did not intoxicate, having had their alcoholic potency removed. Internally, moral consistency demands that Christ could not have miraculously produced between 120 to 160 gallons of intoxicating wine for the use of men, women and children gathered at the Cana’s wedding feast, without becoming morally responsible for prolonging and increasing their intoxication. Scriptural and moral consistency requires that "the good wine" produced by Christ was fresh, unfermented grape juice. This is supported by the very adjective used to describe it, namely kalos, which denotes that which is morally excellent, instead of agathos, which means simply good.



The "new wine" Jesus commended through the parable of the new wineskins (Luke 5:37-38; Mark 2:22) was unfermented must, either boiled or filtered, because not even new wineskins could withstand the pressure of the gas produced by fermenting new wine.



The self-description of Jesus as "eating and drinking" (Matt 11:19; Luke 7:34) does not imply that He used alcoholic wine, but rather that He freely associated with people at their meals and elsewhere. The phrase "eating and drinking" was used idiomatically to describe Christ’s social lifestyle.



The "fruit of the vine" Christ commanded to be used as a memorial of His redeeming blood (Matt 26:28-29; Mark 14:24-25) was not fermented wine, which in the Scripture represents human depravity and divine indignation, but pure unfermented grape juice, which is a fitting emblem of Christ’s untainted blood shed for the remission of our sins. This conclusion was established through a study of the language of the Last Supper, the Jewish Passover wine, the Passover law of fermentation, the consistency of the symbol and the survival of the use of unfermented grape juice at the Lord’s Supper. Most telling is the fact that Josephus calls the freshly squeezed grape juice "the fruit of the vine." This establishes unequivocally that the phrase was used to designate the sweet, unfermented juice of the grape. The evidences submitted shows that Jesus abstained from all intoxicating substances and gave no sanction to His followers for using them







Alcohol in America. To help the reader appreciate from a social and medical perspective why the Bible condemns the use of alcoholic beverages, I have devoted Chapter 9 to a brief survey of the social and medical consequences of alcohol consumption in American society. The survey indicates that the cost of alcohol use to the American people is appallingly high, not only in economic terms ($117 billion per year), but also in terms of human pain, misery, violence, child and spouse abuse, divorces, crime, sickness and death. It is inconceivable to think that at least 100,000 human lives are lost every year in America alone because of alcohol-related problems.



If America wants to deal effectively with the tragedy of alcohol, it must develop an entirely new cultural attitude through the aggressive promotion of abstinence. Christians can play a vital role in this endeavor, if they recover the Biblical imperative for abstinence. It is only when Christians recognize and accept the fact that drinking alcoholic beverages is not only physically harmful, but also Biblically and morally wrong, that they are likely to feel compelled, not only to abstain from intoxicating substances themselves, but also to help others do likewise.





Trying to help others.
 
I think the OP was simply trying to guage how many people do/don't drink (for whatever reason). I don't think he wanted social or Biblical arguments for or against using alcohol.
 
lol, weekendwarrior is right - theres no need to argue about biblical history of alcohol



I was just wondering who does and does not drink any why, maybe start a (healthy) debate about it (nothing heated).



I don't see any pluses to alcohol. All that you drink it for is just so you can have a "good time" for the time that you're drunk. IMO, theres far too many downsides to a "good time" for 5-6 hours.



+: temporary fix, good time



-: money, health, risk of injury/death to you and/or others, risk of acting stupid in front of everyone, breaking the law (in some cases)
 
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