Dealing with the Corona Epidemic

Bill D said:
You should probably be ok. My cars are on Battery Tenders and they still don’t last 3 years. It’s the high heat here that kills them. Agh.
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*Knock on Wood*, I have had an Optima Red Top in my GS for 3.5 years, need to take every precaution that I can. As well, since returning home from university (classes now in session online) my mothers RX is taking a bit longer to start up, the battery in it is about 3.5 years old as well. I am guessing that your heat is a bit worse than the Texas heat, of course, we have had some pretty cool winters for the last few years.
 
I’d say Texas heat is just as bad. I think you just have better batteries than me. If the car is taking longer to start, that might be a warning to get a new battery as soon as you can.

My dad’s car has a message that comes on when the battery is low so he went and got a new one today. Those batteries are real good too: they lasted about 5 years even in this heat! But they are expensive to replace.
 
BillE said:
Can someone explain to me, WHY all the paper product hording?
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Besides simple irrationality, I figure that TP is one of those things people don`t want to run out of and that too few people buy wisely (big bundles are cheapest, get `em when they`re on sale = plenty on-hand, no worries; that`s how we buy all such stuff that doesn`t go bad over time, even nonperishable foods).

And other disposable towels/wipes/etc. are maybe seen as more convenient for anti-viral activities.
 
John U said:
Ray of hope. Went to Walmart looking for distilled water for my Cpap machine..... none here either but lots of gallons of Spring water. But coming in the store you saw every customer walking around with a package of toilet paper.
I went back and they were cases of it with a sign “one per customer”. Great, I grabbed one for my fellow local detail pals who texted me last night he was low.... keep him in mind if I see some.

Today I read an article by the paper industry claiming a family of two will use 4.5 rolls a week. My wife and I barely use two rolls of the 450 sheet Costco rolls a week. I guess we are “under achievers”! They did say they are producing 120% of normal usage for this time of year.
I do need to visit Costco for a car battery for my C7. The original is now 6 years old. The locals here in AZ claim a battery craps out at the 3 year mark from the heat. We’ll see if battery hoarding has started. 
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Yep, that probably is an accurate assessment IF a couple is home 24/7. The paper usage BEFORE was based on being at work, going out to eat or shop, or "other" public venues (sports or entertainment, movies, churches, parks, etc) NOW paper usage (toweling, toilet, tissue, and wet-wipes) is ALL at home.
That goes for food as well. Granted, you can still do drive-through or self-pick-up, but that will somewhat diminish the food demand, and hence the food prepared at restaurants, bars, and fast-food places.
Places that sell these products will be overloaded with individual families (consumers) buying these products at brick-and-mortal stores. Again, you can order on-line and do store pick-up OR pay the price for home delivery. That MIGHT be coming more prevalent now.

it is funny-not so funny now that the entertainment and professional and college sports events are now shut down to find "other" avenues of entertainment people are engaging in. Even the native-american casinos are shut down. Still can play the state government lottery and scratch tickets.

In Wisconsin we are one one the states with the highest alcohol consumption per capita in the United States. Now that the bars and restaurants are closed, the liquor stores and grocery stores are doing a good business. It is just that these MANY small business provide a livelihood and wage for owners and workers alike here in Wisconsin and should this social isolation and pandemic continue it will hurt our state economy.
The ONLY silver lining in this pandemic for Wisconsin is we produce more paper products than anyone in the USA. (Yes, Captain Obvious, you could say that business is good for "crap". I know.. dumb joke!)
 
Just out of curiosity, is anybody else using a UV (in my case UV-C) unit to sterilize stuff? I hadn`t gotten the thing out for ages, but I`m glad it`s one of the things I`ve, uhm...accumulated.
 
Accumulator - What’s the time required for such sanitation? Given that my profession will still require me interacting with peoples’ personal spaces, I’ve been contemplating what actions I could take to protect myself (and family).

The boss was originally proposing we Clorox wipe steering wheels and handles, but based on how most of our clients seem to have deemed their cars simply appliances (read - a fair amount of funk build up), I fear safety aside we stand to make the surfaces far worse (tacky/damage to dye/etc). Turn someone’s steering wheel sticky, and even coming from best intentions I feel like you own it now.

Gloves, mask, and being smart about personal contact are my current plan; but I feel like if I have a car I have to spend more time in than just pulling in I should have a 2nd tier approach. Was originally thinking ozone, but based on the time required I wasn’t sure how feasible it would be. UV could be a good alternative (or possibly add on as part of normal protocol).

Where did you get your UV light?

Similarly, where have folks gotten Ozone Generators?
 
GearHead_1 said:
This YouTube is a little slow to get rolling, it’s an 8 minute vid. That said, I thought it did a good job of explaining the curve and in simple enough terms that even I could understand it. It’s worth a look.
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So in the video it says at the beginning of the pandemic, no one you know is sick, then one day someone you know is sick, and then all of a sudden everyone is sick. So today it looks like someone I know has it (haven`t seen them in 2 weeks, so I`m okay--from that), so I guess in a week everyone will have it. Buckle up.
 
I was wondering if ozone generators are a "better" disinfectant than UV. Don`t know...

Sect:
Your analysis is correct: We do not know who has this virus and how fast it will spread. We do know it is contagious but HOW contagious is an unknown. We can guess/estimate from other nations that are going through this, like Italy and south Korea, but we in the United States don`t have good data to make that "accurate" evaluation.
Until we can do more extensive testing that is accurate and fast, this virus might be "washing though" society, as the President stated, much faster, as it seems that the numbers new confirmed cases are exponential in quantities; IE they will start to double EACH DAY for an extended period of time. There is a reason why government officials are asking the general public to self-isolate because it is the ONLY way to slow this pandemic down. I do not believe that some individuals understand the seriousness of this virus and attaching the word `flu" to it makes it sound no worse than that of its stomach cousin. That is not the case and the probability of an infected individual dying from this is 5 times greater than the stomach flu and while we thought it was higher in older people, we are finding that those much younger who have compromised immune systems or heath problems are just as vulnerable. Those that smoke tobacco products, illegal drugs, or vape may be more susceptible when out in the general public, but that has yet to be verified.
What we do not know is what are the long term effects of this virus and what percentage of those infected will recover completely and if it will provide future immunity to this virus OR more of a susceptibility/vulnerability the next time the virus comes around OR will we ALWAYS have it around and what effect seasonal weather conditions have on this virus. A lot of unknowns that MAY become clearer in time, but for now we wait and hope for the best.

I do believe that we as individuals need to exercise a degree of responsibility for our own well-being by practicing those 5-ways recommended by the CDC to minimize the possibility or probability of infection, but the best way is total isolation, which may not be possible if you are a worker in an industry or service that essential to this society`s function. That and having to obtain food and living essentials/items on a regular basis may (and is) becoming more "risky" as one ventures out into the general populace as the virus infection numbers grows faster than we would like to believe is happening through our country`s population. Government mandated societal lock downs and even martial law may be needed if this virus and its spread is not taken seriously by the general public. As stated, I hope and pray it does not get that bad
 
Lonnie said:
I was wondering if ozone generators are a "better" disinfectant than UV. Don`t know...

Sect:
Your analysis is correct: We do not know who has this virus and how fast it will spread. We do know it is contagious but HOW contagious is an unknown. We can guess/estimate from other nations that are going through this, like Italy and south Korea, but we in the United States don`t have good data to make that "accurate" evaluation.
Until we can do more extensive testing that is accurate and fast, this virus might be "washing though" society, as the President stated, much faster, as it seems that the numbers new confirmed cases are exponential in quantities; IE they will start to double EACH DAY for an extended period of time. There is a reason why government officials are asking the general public to self-isolate because it is the ONLY way to slow this pandemic down. I do not believe that some individuals understand the seriousness of this virus and attaching the word `flu" to it makes it sound no worse than that of its stomach cousin. That is not the case and the probability of an infected individual dying from this is 5 times greater than the stomach flu and while we thought it was higher in older people, we are finding that those much younger who have compromised immune systems or heath problems are just as vulnerable. Those that smoke tobacco products, illegal drugs, or vape may be more susceptible when out in the general public, but that has yet to be verified.
What we do not know is what are the long term effects of this virus and what percentage of those infected will recover completely and if it will provide future immunity to this virus OR more of a susceptibility/vulnerability the next time the virus comes around OR will we ALWAYS have it around and what effect seasonal weather conditions have on this virus. A lot of unknowns that MAY become clearer in time, but for now we wait and hope for the best.

I do believe that we as individuals need to exercise a degree of responsibility for our own well-being by practicing those 5-ways recommended by the CDC to minimize the possibility or probability of infection, but the best way is total isolation, which may not be possible if you are a worker in an industry or service that essential to this society`s function. That and having to obtain food and living essentials/items on a regular basis may (and is) becoming more "risky" as one ventures out into the general populace as the virus infection numbers grows faster than we would like to believe is happening through our country`s population. Government mandated societal lock downs and even martial law may be needed if this virus and its spread is not taken seriously by the general public. As stated, I hope and pray it does not get that bad
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When you go from ~89,000 cases on March 1, 2020 to ~381,000 cases end of day March 23, 2020. It think it is safe to say that COVID-19 is highly contagious.......
 
Costco had a line out front but it was moving quick...... as the happy shoppers existed with their toilet paper! The automotive section has it’s own door so I walked in and walked out with a new battery in minutes.
Walmart location the my north had an end cap of distilled water (1 per customer). No TP but the 99 cent store had some TP so my wife grabbed another package for my buddy.......(tiny rolls when placed next to a Costco roll).
 
DO NOT GO To Costco or other packed warehouses (That window has closed), the point of the quarantine is to avoid mass gatherings. The odd`s are at this point there is someone there spreading it, usually unknowingly.
 
The whole "avoidance of crowds" is why I`m taking advantage of Sr. Hour. That`s when there are the fewest other shoppers, the store is the cleanest it`s gonna be, and the people who are there are, *IMO*, most likely to take this whole thing seriously. When I hear about younger folks (including some of my in-laws!) going to the beach/etc. I think that I don`t want those [individuals] anywhere near my life.

John U- Glad you got to in/out quickly!

Lonnie said:
I was wondering if ozone generators are a "better" disinfectant than UV. Don`t know...
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That`s a good Q, and I don`t know either. That said..

I suspect that the UV is best because 1) most Ozone generators don`t produce as much as might be optimal (operative "might"), if only because most consumer-level ones don`t come close to being able to kill mold/etc. or even knock out nasty odors permanently , 2) UV sterilization is highly regarded by the health care folks I know, who use versions of it to treat medical equip, and 3) the required exposure time for my UV-C sterilizer to do its thing is *really* brief compared to how long I run the (high-spec) Ozone generator for much of anything.
 
TheMeanGreen said:
When you go from ~89,000 cases on March 1, 2020 to ~381,000 cases end of day March 23, 2020. It think it is safe to say that COVID-19 is highly contagious.......
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not that that many people new contracted it. Testing numbers went way up. So finding those cases that previously went undetected. 80.9% of those infected have mild symptoms. I`m sure the number of infected are much, much higher than any of these stats show. Which would also give false percentages when talking about mortality rates. We had already been through this for my wife and i at the beginning of the month. Weren`t even tested till after we felt better. At that point they were just figuring out that many don`t even get a cough. For us it was three days of not feeling that great.

those with immune system issues always need to be extra vigilant. Respiratory viruses are always a issue for those with COPD, asthma, etc. not undermining this, but at the same time for most it is mild. This like always, if you`re sick stay home.


fact since we started taking 800mg ashwagandha root. We had even had a cold up till we got this. Even this was only a headache, fever and some lethargy. Its a proven immune system builder, among other good things. There`s been a increase in oncologists who have figured this out now too.
 
Houston is shutdown, but apparently I am essential personnel so no vacation for me. I’m happy to have a job through.


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Well, it turns out the person I know that seemed to have it probably didn`t, fever for only one day...unless it`s this way...

Coleroad said:
At that point they were just figuring out that many don`t even get a cough. For us it was three days of not feeling that great.
Even this was only a headache, fever and some lethargy.
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You`re saying your wife and you had it, and that was all that happened?

Accumulator said:
I suspect that the UV is best because 2) UV sterilization is highly regarded by the health care folks I know, who use versions of it to treat medical equip
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I don`t know what goes on in Ohio, but even several years ago one of the hospitals around here was showing in their magazine that they send around, a giant UV light thing that they would wheel into an unoccupied room, and on some sort of programmed cycle (so the operator could leave before it started up) it would singe every bacteria in the whole room. Here`s one you can get on sale for $26.5K: https://www.airpurifiersandcleaners.com/atlantic-uv-sanidyne-premium-uv-sanitizer-robot-system

EDIT: This looks more like the one my local hospital was using: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiqPUXeAgk
 
Built myself a bookcase today, not the prettiest thing, but at 8 feet tall and 38 inches wide, it has plenty of room. Still miss my bookcase that I had to leave at school as it looks MUCH nicer, haha. Thanks COVID-19. #stillpayingLBKrent
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Well, it turns out the person I know that seemed to have it probably didn`t, fever for only one day...unless it`s this way...



You`re saying your wife and you had it, and that was all that happened?
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yes, it was a pretty good headache, a temp ranging fro upper 99 to around 102. Symptoms hit me a day before my wife. I thought i had a case of frontal sinusitis going on. So i went to the dr that day. He wrote out a script for a Z-pac. That i could get filled if it turned into a ear infection for me. Ear infections have not been a minor thing for me. Next day my wife started feeling the same way. Headache, fever. I then decided we had a mild case of the flu. After three days we both felt almost back to normal. A couple of days later i was reading about a group in Washington state and the covid19. They had the exact symptoms we had, and tested positive. So then i got back ahold of the dr. And he got us tested. Came back positive for us both. It was mild for us, and is for many. That said a fair number it is a bigger deal, and some it`s a critical deal. As a whole they are saying 80.9% have rather mild symptoms. My point was the media seems to want to focus on that 19% of more severe and critical cases. We are in our fifties, so definitely not young fry. Don`t take it lightly, but it`s not the Spanish flu either. This mutation of SARS just seems to be more easily transmitted. Thank goodness it doesn`t seem to have the same mortality rate as the original SARS-CoV-1. SARS-CoV-2 is going to kill more though because of how many will get it as compared to SARS-CoV-1. Corona viruses have been identified since the 60`s. While this specific mutation is new. Corona virus is nothing new.

covid19 stands for corona virus identified 2019. Its true name is SARS-CoV-2.

Edit: funny thing our son never showed any signs he got it.
 
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