Could this be TURTLE WAX??!!

Heh heh, gee, you fans of these products aren`t making them sound very appealing :eek:

I`m glad you`re finding combos you`re happy with, but it doesn`t sound easy-peasy Accumulator-proof. Eh, that`s OK...while I think it`s great that they`re making this stuff it still sounds like the solution to a problem I don`t have.
 
Made a special trip to The Wall for $6 of SnS. They had multiple bottles.

Will be comparing it to the only thing out there it seems to compare to Sonax BSD. I’m fascinated by companies like this who make great & terrible products. Obviously, enough people have praised SnS so it’s legit.

In reality, I’ll wax a car for giggles - but primarily just use BSD because it’s easier & better than almost any LSP IME.
 
Swanicyouth- With the apparently varying takes on how user-friendly it is, I`ll look forward to your opinion on that.

Heh heh, for a product I don`t think I want to try, I sure do find it interesting.
 
Tried it over the weekend as a drying aid. Had just a couple of spots where I got a slight streak due to over application. My fault. Wiped away easily. Very slick and the look is nice. This was applied over a fairly recent coat of 1000p.
 
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Heh heh, you lost me there! If TW`s deficiencies were in the past, eh...why let that bias you now? I can`t think of one manufacturer of Detailing stuff who hasn`t had some [crappy] product that disappointed me.

Sorry, sorry, I know I shouldn`t be busting your [bits] like that... :o Guess I agree with your hypocritical side that tried their Wax Max Wash :D Or maybe it`s just another of those Accumulator Things..I really like that TW is offering something this good to their target customers.

No, you are not "busting" me in any way. But no, I am not a Turtle Wax "Target" customer, but I am a Walmart customer. (Pun intended!).
Hey I thought it was "punny" (you know, funny and pun combined...NEVER MIND!!!)
 
As I was applying PA Viking Spritz to a car today I was thinking about this thread and pondering if a $8 dollar product could give a $80 product a run for it`s money. Even if it`s just 80% as good, it`s so much damn cheaper. This and Meg`s Fast Finish are my next 2 purchases. And that`s a good change for me. These very forums had me run to buy PA, Gyeon & Kamikaze - to name a few. It`s nice that I`m excited to buy an $8 product from Turtle Wax lol.
 
As I was applying PA Viking Spritz to a car today I was thinking about this thread and pondering if a $8 dollar product could give a $80 product a run for it`s money. Even if it`s just 80% as good, it`s so much damn cheaper. This and Meg`s Fast Finish are my next 2 purchases. And that`s a good change for me. These very forums had me run to buy PA, Gyeon & Kamikaze - to name a few. It`s nice that I`m excited to buy an $8 product from Turtle Wax lol.
Yes, if you’re searching for value, the luxury brands aren’t the way to go. People who must have that extra 5-20% extra looks/performance/whatever are the main targets for those brands.
 
Lonnie- Heh heh, per usual, you and I are on the same page after all.

And yeah, I did get that Target quip :D

And heh heh#2, I still kinda like shopping at Walmart! Most of their customers seem to think I`m LE or a Loss Prevention Officer or somesuch, so it`s like Moses parting the Red Sea with everybody trying to stay out of my way while avoiding eye contact.
 
I applied mine today after the car wash so it had some water on it but was 90% free of water. Applied just fine. Smell is kinda idk trying to place it. Like petroleum scent of sort or maybe it’s some sort of masculine cologne like smell. Not unpleasant but not like candy fruit type some companies like.

I didn’t prep other than wash. See how the self cleaning etc works for me

I was using the ice spray wax with very happy positive results.


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I don’t see a problem using it as a drying aid. Just gonna water it down a little. The water did run from it in typical drying aid fashion.


Not that pics on the internet mean anything and it was already shiny as heck to me but here it is

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As I was applying PA Viking Spritz to a car today I was thinking about this thread and pondering if a $8 dollar product could give a $80 product a run for it`s money. Even if it`s just 80% as good, it`s so much damn cheaper. This and Meg`s Fast Finish are my next 2 purchases. And that`s a good change for me. These very forums had me run to buy PA, Gyeon & Kamikaze - to name a few. It`s nice that I`m excited to buy an $8 product from Turtle Wax lol.

Honestly my opinion these days is there is a lot of smoke & mirror in these products. A lot of stuff give you warm feels because you paid a lot for it and it comes in a fancy bottle, etc...

And then people review them & say they are wonderful. I’m sure they are fine - but does this high dollar fancy product give you any discernible difference in the end result? Sometimes yes. A lot of times no.
 
Honestly my opinion these days is there is a lot of smoke & mirror in these products. A lot of stuff give you warm feels because you paid a lot for it and it comes in a fancy bottle, etc...

And then people review them & say they are wonderful. I’m sure they are fine - but does this high dollar fancy product give you any discernible difference in the end result? Sometimes yes. A lot of times no.
Some products may have cost a lot to research and use higher quality ingredients, impacting the cost. More than just “smoke and mirrors”, but we all have our opinions. You appear to have been scourned by costly products in the past (just my guess based on your posting). Sorry that may have occurred, but your opinions, like those who review and enjoy their products, are only opinions. To each their own, and we all choose what we want to post about our opinions.

I’m sure TW can offset research costs with the quantities sold, but I also look at how they are finally coming up with a spray like this (ultra hydrophobic, probably SiO2 enhanced) well after the boutique companies paved the way. Reverse engineering is another way to keep costs down, even if not a very respectable way of doing things IMO.
 
Some products may have cost a lot to research and use higher quality ingredients, impacting the cost. More than just “smoke and mirrors”, but we all have our opinions. You appear to have been scourned by costly products in the past (just my guess based on your posting). Sorry that may have occurred, but your opinions, like those who review and enjoy their products, are only opinions. To each their own, and we all choose what we want to post about our opinions.

I’m sure TW can offset research costs with the quantities sold, but I also look at how they are finally coming up with a spray like this (ultra hydrophobic, probably SiO2 enhanced) well after the boutique companies paved the way. Reverse engineering is another way to keep costs down, even if not a very respectable way of doing things IMO.

I’d have to respectfully disagree. I’d call it 200% smoke and mirrors. Most of these “boutique” companies have been making overblown claims for years selling us the same stuff over and over again in different bottles.

We’ve all been bent over and taken for a ride so many times we just accept it as business as usual. That’s why those of us that have been here for years have shelves and shelves full of products and we only use the same core few that actually meet (and rarely exceed) the actual claims the manufacturer makes or are barely any different than the last product we bought.

Very rarely does anyone bring anything new, improved, or unique to this market. And, when someone actually does; what do the rest of these companies do? Go out and copy it to the best of their ability.

How many coatings out there that claim “up to 2 years” that barely last 6 mos? How many 15 & 21mm polishers are out there that happen to have the same exact throw/shape/& basic design as Rupes? You ever see an 18mm throw polisher? Nope. And you never will. Too easy to copy what’s already been done.

So now something comes out that seems to destroy everything else like it and it costs $6. I can only lol and cheer them on.
 
I’d have to respectfully disagree. I’d call it 200% smoke and mirrors. Most of these “boutique” companies have been making overblown claims for years selling us the same stuff over and over again in different bottles.

We’ve all been bent over and taken for a ride so many times we just accept it as business as usual. That’s why those of us that have been here for years have shelves and shelves full of products and we only use the same core few that actually meet (and rarely exceed) the actual claims the manufacturer makes or are barely any different than the last product we bought.

Very rarely does anyone bring anything new, improved, or unique to this market. And, when someone actually does; what do the rest of these companies do? Go out and copy it to the best of their ability.

How many coatings out there that claim “up to 2 years” that barely last 6 mos? How many 15 & 21mm polishers are out there that happen to have the same exact throw/shape/& basic design as Rupes? You ever see an 18mm throw polisher? Nope. And you never will. Too easy to copy what’s already been done.

So now something comes out that seems to destroy everything else like it and it costs $6. I can only lol and cheer them on.
Sounds good. Hopefully this forum is your only place to vent for the last year and you at least remain cheerful outside of here. Doesn’t seem like you have much to add but plenty of criticism. Reminds me of some people I work with.

Oh, and so sorry about your shelf.
 
I’d have to respectfully disagree. I’d call it 200% smoke and mirrors. Most of these “boutique” companies have been making overblown claims for years selling us the same stuff over and over again in different bottles.

We’ve all been bent over and taken for a ride so many times we just accept it as business as usual. That’s why those of us that have been here for years have shelves and shelves full of products and we only use the same core few that actually meet (and rarely exceed) the actual claims the manufacturer makes or are barely any different than the last product we bought.

Very rarely does anyone bring anything new, improved, or unique to this market. And, when someone actually does; what do the rest of these companies do? Go out and copy it to the best of their ability.

How many coatings out there that claim “up to 2 years” that barely last 6 mos? How many 15 & 21mm polishers are out there that happen to have the same exact throw/shape/& basic design as Rupes? You ever see an 18mm throw polisher? Nope. And you never will. Too easy to copy what’s already been done.

So now something comes out that seems to destroy everything else like it and it costs $6. I can only lol and cheer them on.


Mckee`s 37 Hydro Blue, Blackfire HydroSeal, Pinnacle Crystal SiO2, and maybe Wolfgang Uber Silica Spray (Yes different application, but one can use Hydro Blue in a similar way). EZ Detail Brush and SpeedMaster. AmmoNYC Foamer and the Griots Garage foamer. Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal, Mckee`s 37 Wheel Glaze, and Poorboys Wheel Sealant. How similar are they, respectively?
 
Mckee`s 37 Hydro Blue, Blackfire HydroSeal, Pinnacle Crystal SiO2, and maybe Wolfgang Uber Silica Spray (Yes different application, but one can use Hydro Blue in a similar way). EZ Detail Brush and SpeedMaster. AmmoNYC Foamer and the Griots Garage foamer. Blackfire SiO2 Wheel Seal, Mckee`s 37 Wheel Glaze, and Poorboys Wheel Sealant. How similar are they, respectively?
I hear what you’re saying. The buyer must beware and choose which of said product types to try out to determine what THEY like. It’s kind of like buying cars, isn’t it? Many competitors, selling similar sizes, features, etc. Some are pretty unique, but many just borrowing off each other with their own style. There’s no doubt this goes on in many industries including detailing. PBMG might be like GMC who also has Cadillac, Chevy, Buick, among other labels in the past. If someone wants a Cadillac because they aren’t aroused by a Chevy Equinox, they have an XTS (or XT4 or whatever the latest is called) even if all compact SUVs essentially do the same thing. Some want the higher quality knobs and whistles. Some want the more super charged engine.

I have no doubt TW has a good thing going with SNS and their other Spray Wax. But to bounce around forums to continually post for other people, including newcomers that everything is smoke and mirrors seems like a lame place to end up in.

I used to like movies a lot, especially action movies. A few years ago I stopped watching much at all and I now look at all these previews and special effects and wonder what is different about new movies vs a hundred I’ve seen in the past. Let’s be real, just about every possible story has been told at this point in time, there’s just different characters and special effects. I choose to stop watching action movies because they no longer interest me for my own reasons.

Would I ever want to go to movie blogs and continually criticize new movies to a group of people who have always loved action movies and still do, plus many newcomers who have not seen every old movie, known all those plots, and simply want to watch the new actors, special effects and decide for themselves what is good based on their own preferences right now? Heck no, I don’t need to deliver my message over and over about the washed up action movie seen, like an old grump. I’ll step away and find something I do like with my time, and if I have interest to check out the movie blog to see what people are saying about the latest and greatest, I can do so, sitting back learning about what I came for, only providing my own useful feedback if the situation arises and it seems informative to aid someone else’s knowledge.

Im not perfect, we all need to complain about products sometimes and it can spur good discussion.... but after awhile, hearing the same negative posts on a website who’s sole business is selling these products and providing thoughts and opinions about the products seems like something unproductive, and perhaps that’s the time that the negative poster should go find a new hobby to learn about, one which is exciting and not previously navigated, one that wont bring up redundant, negative thoughts at this stage in the poster’s life.

Rant over.
 
I also should mention that I thoroughly enjoyed SY’s old posts, when thoughts on specific products and details were discussed. As a newcomer joining in 2017, I spent countless hours reading posts from ~2013-2016 to get an idea of where to start and what products might be right for me. SY’s posts remain as some of the valuable ones that helped me learn. Thank you for that.
 
I have not tried this turtle wax but have tried other economical boutique product flavors of the months and none have yet been as hydrophobic (tighter waterbeads and running off of the car) better than Overcoat or Cosmic. Also the amount of sio2 ad tio2 in cosmic is significantly more than those 10-20$ products.

The have done decent job and for the difference say twice as better may not mean the cost difference for some but Beadmaker, Megs Ceramic Hybrid, mothers CMX do not perform in appearance or hydrophobics and I doubt this product does.

Just posting my opinions for future readers. Is cosmic 8x better for 8x the cost? No. But if better performance is worth it to you step up. If not their are a lot less expensive products that perform well.

If not wanting to spend cosmic/overcoat money I’d put Shine Supply Clutch against all these inexpensive wonder products

End all find what works for you and use it.


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