Could this be TURTLE WAX??!!

So I have been trying this on my personal vehicles as mainly a coating topper lately. Works wonders! I also polished a few area`s on my wife`s car and treated it and so far so good.

Just yesterday I corrected this 2007 911 4s and being it was a raffle winner I topped it with the seal and shine. Very glossy and slick with no application issues on this black paint

 
tonipieleanu said:
Siloxanes are silicones, PDMS, it`s in all QDs and rubber/plastic treatments. It`s not SiO2.
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Agreed that the PDMS is in those products too. But it`s also what some use in the mix with SiO2. DPC Armor is one that has this PDMS in it with a combo of SiO2. And PDMS is a silicone oil and is often used to get the hydrophobic caractics in a protection product. It`s not so easy as much is used in combinations and gets different chemical build up when it`s gets on the paint or other parts of a vehical. As for SiO2 if pure would be rather non slickness if used with a carrier that gets the SiO2 only as the hydrophobic top layer. And PDMS can be used with other different chemicals to get a protection product that is very a like a heavy SiO2 content product. And looks like just from the SDS on the TW SNS that`s something in it that is not needed to be put in the SDS. If you look at the procent of what`s in it. Water they put in it mostly to show it`s a water based product or if there is some regulation that at some point water needs to be clarified in the SDS. I think that they have found a blend of polymers that is working great as a LSP. Since they seems to be trying to get a patent on it.

Brian from Apex Detailing is an awesome dude and I have mentioned before to him about the Cosmic v2 coating. That`s depending on the PA Invicible Primer Polish or Invicible Primer Spritz to reach full strength and hardness. It can be used on it`s own but with a lot less longevity from it. Don`t know if it`s impact on the chemical resistant when useing the Invicible Primer. But I think that it would be. And this is no way to take away from the TW SNS and what a great chemical resistance it has and a lot of value from it. I myself bought it this weekend for $20 which is the retail price for it in Sweden.

IMO the chemical resistance don`t go hand in hand with the longevity from a product. I think that chemical resistance and the protection abilities is more what you can get from it. Take the test that Apex Detailing did between the Cosmic v2 coating and TW SNS. In the real world use you get 12-18 months of longevity from Cosmic v2. And it is not much about the longevity from TW SNS yet but I don`t think that it`s reaching over a year of longevity from it. Would be awesome if you get around 6 months longevity from it and think it`s there or a little less where it will be longevity wise.
 
^^ Thanks SWETM. Sounds like you think the TW SNS is polymer based without much/any SiO2 content is all said and done (while keeping in mind that many chemical compositions could result in some amount of SiO2 content).

I totally agree that chemical resistance (a sub-category of what I call ‘durability’) should be viewed as independent from longevity.
 
acuRAS82 said:
^^ Thanks SWETM. Sounds like you think the TW SNS is polymer based without much/any SiO2 content is all said and done (while keeping in mind that many chemical compositions could result in some amount of SiO2 content).

I totally agree that chemical resistance (a sub-category of what I call ‘durability’) should be viewed as independent from longevity.
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It can be some kind of SiO2 in the build up of the polymer. Polymer is just a word for when a chemical build up is transformed in a chain of them. SiO2 IIRC has 2 attachement points where you can have other molecules to attach to it. Which is the build up of the silicone for an example. But with useing different kind of them who attach to a molecule of SiO2 or the SiO2 attach to it you get different properties from it when it has created the chain. Then you have also the SiO4 where you use it with a carrier that steals 2 O atoms and gets the SiO2 left and other atoms can be attached to that. So it`s many ways to go get specific properties when you use different kind of chemicals.

Remember I`m not a chemist and just a geek who reads up about things I find interesting. It`s a little interesting that it`s so simualar with PDMS and what we call ceramic coating. PDMS is used in many protection products like Meguiars Quick Wax and in many of the coating lite products. But with other different chemicals in the bottle you get different properties from it when it`s applyied on the paint.

The one thing I would be consider what`s in the protection products or even polishes with silicone oils. Is when I know I would be doing a repaint not far away from the application. The great bodyshops though use a good silicone remover so even if you use it would not being a problem. Then it`s a difference between the volatile silicone and the non volatile silicone. The rubber seals products before was made with volatile silicone. And when a painter open a door to blend in the paint he would get to start over when a volatile silicone started to move and land on the paint. I had an old Volvo Amazon that I repainted and this happened. Not a pretty sight of what the volatile silicone did. I think that PDMS is a non volatile silicone. Cause otherwise painters and bodyshops would be going crazy over the detailing products companies LOL. Also ceramic coatings that useally don`t use the silicone in their chemistry is no problems when painted over as long as the surface is sanded so the paint adhere properly.

Also there are many chemicals that don`t need to be in the SDS. And with the procent in the SNS I think there are some other chemicals in it that makes it unique for it`s build up. Of course other brands has this too. Take HCW as an example with what they need to be putting up in the SDS. And yet applyied on the you have a SiO2 hybrid. And not just water as some explained LOL. Then next showed the SDS of his own product with both SiO2 and PDMS aka silicone oil. That you don`t get a pure SiO2 layer on the paint with. But a string with as noted before with SiO2 and then parts of the PDMS attached to it for getting the hydrophobic caractics he want.

So to sum it up. It`s hard to say how good a product is from the SDS only. As there almost every time is something that not needs to be put in it. And this chemical have an impact on the other chemicals in how it behaves on the paint when applyied and reacted. So trial and error with the products is how we consumers get to know how it works in the real world. And that`s possible to have just a little different chemical blend to create different properties from the protection products. These exactly blends we consumers not going to know about. Also there is different properties from the chemicals it selfs. As purity of them and where they refiened them. Which have the impact on the quality of the product and also the cost of it for the companies and in the end consumers.
 
Thanks for the detailed discussion SWETM. I essentially ask the SiO2 question for my own knowledge and usually to determine what combine with or not to combine with for synergy purposes. Definitely not life or death if there’s not an obvious final conclusion for me.

It’s usually as simple as “If I want to combine a SiO2 topper on top of a SiO2 base, will product x do that for me?” or “If I am avoiding using SiO2 products for a specific reason, will product Y be an option?”
 
acuRAS82 said:
Thanks for the detailed discussion SWETM. I essentially ask the SiO2 question for my own knowledge and usually to determine what combine with or not to combine with for synergy purposes. Definitely not life or death if there’s not an obvious final conclusion for me.

It’s usually as simple as “If I want to combine a SiO2 topper on top of a SiO2 base, will product x do that for me?” or “If I am avoiding using SiO2 products for a specific reason, will product Y be an option?”
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For what its worth, PanTheOrganizer said that on the Canadian label of SNS it states that it has SiO2 in it.
 
A siloxane is a functional group in organosilicon chemistry with the Si–O–Si linkage. The parent siloxanes include the oligomeric and polymerichydrides with the formulae H(OSiH[SUB]2[/SUB])[SUB]n[/SUB]OH and (OSiH[SUB]2[/SUB])[SUB]n[/SUB].[SUP][1][/SUP] Siloxanes also include branched compounds, the defining feature of which is that each pair of silicon centres is separated by one oxygen atom. The siloxane functional group forms the backbone of silicones, the premier example of which is polydimethylsiloxane.[SUP][2][/SUP] The functional group R[SUB]3[/SUB]SiO- (where the three Rs may be different) is called siloxy. Siloxanes are manmade and have many commercial and industrial applications because of the compounds’ hypdrophobicity, low thermal conductivity, and high flexibility. [SUP][3

This comes from Wikipedia. It seems SiO2 is the norm for detailing products today. I believe TW Seal and Shine and IGL Premier have the same components that make them both highly oleophobic and chemical resistant.


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acuRAS82 I totaly understand that and which is also what I look for in the compability. I think that to be real certain if it works with your coating or other SiO2 product. You would stay in the same brand as even on the consumer levels it`s quite the difference in the chemical build up from coating to coating. Then of course there are others that works too. What I meen is to know that if the topper is able to build up the base coating. That`s Reload was made for to cquartz coatings from Carpro and their Hydro2 and EcH2O products and lately Elixir. Say you would top gtechnic CSL with Reload you mix 2 whole different chemical build up and even more with the EXO v4 that`s a carbon based coating IIRC. So on them it would be a sacrificial layer. While on the CQUK actually be a part of the coating layer in combo with other chemicals that wears off faster than the part that bonds to the coating.

In Sweden the bottle looks like this which I just took a picture of.

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It don`t claims any SiO2 or SiO2 technology on the bottle. What it does claim is that they try or have gotten the hybrid blend patened.

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Yes, I’m currently playing around with different brand SiO2 sprays on top of Essence Extreme as a base. Just trying to figure out if/where this SNS fits in, but will likely use it on at least a panel or two soon.
 
So, jumped on the bandwagon and picked some up. < $10 is my kinda entry price for an experiment.

Interesting Wallyworld experience (as mentioned above, not my normal go-to store): Last night, confirmed availability at my store - site said 3 in stock @ $5.99 (purchase online price was $20+ as someone else mentioned). My plan was to swing through on the way to work, they open at 6am. Check my phone again @ 5:45 before heading over, still 3 @ $5.99.
Get to the store, find the Auto section and spot the Seal-n-shine on the shelf - $6.97. :huh: Sure, it`s only a dollar, but I swear it just said $5.99 on my phone 20 minutes ago. Pull out my phone, check again: In store price on the website is $6.97. Very strange. Again, only a dollar, but so weird for it to change like that. Maybe they knew I was coming... :ph34r:


Do we know if this stuff has any bad habits people are complaining about? Etching, hard to polish off, dust attraction, etc?

I`ll probably use this on my Coworker`s truck when I borrow it (I hate borrowing trucks; last time as a thank you I did a full interior detail for him). He keeps it pretty clean outside, but it`s always tunnel washes. Last time he put anything intentional on the paint was back when he got it (2015?), so I figure it`d be hard to do it any harm by trying this stuff on it.

Otherwise my plan is to try it on my wheels and see how it fares.
 
Oneheadlite said:
I do not like these games Walmart...
Was $5.99 in store pick up when I looked before going to the store.
Went to $6.97 in store (and on the website) when I actually went to the store.
Checked the website again today out of curiosity - $5.99 in store pickup. Same store selected the whole time.
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I wonder if they have technology that tells them you are in the store while browsing. Best Buy got caught dishing out different prices a while ago.

The cashiers at Walmart are certainly familiar with the game, they don`t bat an eye at matching the online prices.
 
By the way, PDMS means Polydimethyl Siloxanes for those who are chemical acronym illiterate.

If you have followed this thread, I think there are two things that Autopians can agree on:
1) The product produces a great shine and offers some degree of protection without a lot effort
2) It is inexpensive and available over-the-counter (OTC), which means most of you can find it, buy it, and try it to see for yourself if all this hype is true.

The fact that this product comes from Turtle Wax should not bias one`s opinion on it`s product quality or performance, but it does for me, as the (mis)perception is that the products from this car-care manufacturer were (emphasis, past tense) less than "OCD-detailer" quality and did NOT produce the stellar resultsI desire. I am old enough to remember when Turtle Wax was THE leader in OTC car-care products, and yes, I used them all time in my (much) younger fledgling detailing en devours. That is was then; this now, and with the help of many of my fellow Autopians, I have migrated to the many different car-care manufacturer`s products we all know and use. I just find it ironic that this manufacturer has come full circle again. Or as the saying goes, "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then."

And, yes, I did buy the Turtle Wax Max Power Wash after reading the reviews from fellow Autopians about its performance to try out for myself. So call me a hypocrite.... (you are sometimes, Captain Obvious!)
 
Dan said:
I wonder if they have technology that tells them you are in the store while browsing. Best Buy got caught dishing out different prices a while ago.

The cashiers at Walmart are certainly familiar with the game, they don`t bat an eye at matching the online prices.
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When the website’s “buy in store” price was different when I was looking at it in store vs 15 minutes prior when I looked at it in my house, I was left looking around the empty isle like “really? You knew this was the one thing I came for?”

I too was wondering if they could figure out I was on site, but it’s not like I signed into their WiFi?
 
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