collinite 845 - the problem, or the situation?

I've always had much better luck with 476 then 845. I must say though, I have never experienced the issue you guys are describing, but I do all LSPs by hand.
 
Are you guys using the new VOC compliant version? I never had issues with the old version even in direct sunlight on navy blue mettallic with hand application. I wonder if the machine application doesn't flash the product off too quickly and lead to uneven application.
 
Scott,



What's the avg. durability of CMW? Clearkote says 6months...but what has your experience with it shown? Can it really compete with 845? How's the water beading?



I remember really wanting to try it like a year and a half ago. But I guess I just buy whatever many people start talking about.
 
This is very consistent with the types of issues I was having with 845.



My personal experience was that the reputation of this lsp as being super easy to remove is not deserved at all.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
My personal experience was that the reputation of this lsp as being super easy to remove is not deserved at all.
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That's interesting! Since I've never had any issues, and even my niece-in-law thinks it's easy, I just hadn't expected anybody to find it problematic :think:



Maybe it's just one of those seemingly random things, like how the durability can vary so much :nixweiss
 
Accumulator said:
That's interesting! Since I've never had any issues, and even my niece-in-law thinks it's easy, I just hadn't expected anybody to find it problematic :think:



Maybe it's just one of those seemingly random things, like how the durability can vary so much :nixweiss
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I don't know either, but for me, I would place 845 in at least the bottom 1/4 of all LSP's I have tried in terms of how easy it is to remove.
 
I could see this happening, especially on black, if you did the whole car in the sun before wiping it. I have never used it in direct sunlight or on a warm surface, so I can't say for sure. I've used 845 on many different cars, applied by hand and by PC, and had no trouble with it
 
Rob Tomlin said:
I don't know either, but for me, I would place 845 in at least the bottom 1/4 of all LSP's I have tried in terms of how easy it is to remove.
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Huh, that's interesting. Maybe I spend to much time with KSG, 476S, and #16, none of which are renowned for being *easy* AFAIK, even if they do seem OK to me :nixweiss



Eh, I kinda *like* hearing how different people have different experiences with stuff, goes to show that no one product is the perfect answer all the time.
 
I usually go pannel by pannel and never had a problem. Apply the hood, apply front 1/4 pannel, remove hood, do Drivers door, remove previous 1/4 pannel. never an issue and it last a long time!.



toyotaguy said:
I am thinking its the situation, but I would think it shoudnt matter...



last night while working on a truck, I applied 845 while it was dark out and cool outside, with a little moisture. I applied 845 with a tan meguiars pad with 2 times overlapping passes - up and down. I applied it to the whole truck and came back to wipe it off...On a G35 I did, same thing, applied to the whole car and came back to wipe it off. This time it was semi light out, and not as cool. Speed 5 on the pc



What happened was it looks like the wax would not release from the paint, almost like ((((((((((((( still in the paint (looks like i didnt remove it). I tried wiping it off with 3 different MF towels, then pulled out some last touch and QD to try and remove it - NOTHING. So I had to spend another hour to remove it with poliseal and a polishing pad, which really pissed me off as I still had to spruce up the interior, but at this time it was 8pm and I didn't want to continue working in the dark, at the clients house with the vacuum howling, pissing off the neighbors, so I am going back and doing the interior when I do their boat!



Happened on 2 other cars (all blacks) and this makes me not want to use it anymore even though I USUALLY get great results from it! easy on and easy off!



I have blackfire coming right now, so I will hopefully not run into this problem. I stopped using M21 for the same reason!



School me if its my technique....but I dont think it would be as its just a wax application
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My first time using 845 was on ablack kia spectra 5. Applied with pc speed 3 with flat lc gold pad. 20 min I tried to buff but it took to much pressure, waited 20 more minutes and it buffed off nicely. Cleaned interior, cleaned up my all my stuff put everything away and went over the paint with a plush mf and dg aw. Next day in the sun the car looked awesome
 
When applying via pc/flex do you guys prime the whole pad with a light even coat of wax? I felt like perhaps the dry areas of the pad on the paint contributed to the buffer patterns I had all over the car even after buffing off with MF buffing towel. I put 3 daps of 845 on a red lc pads at speed 3 on the flex and thats what happened to me. Done in complete shade too.
 
I've applied 845 to probably 75 cars, both by hand and by PC, but have never experienced any removal problems. The only thing I noticed is that I never go above about 1.5 on the PC to apply. It never seemed like a higher speed would do any good, seeing as how 845 is an LSP. Regardless of application method, it's never been a problem to remove 845.



If anything, the surface is so slick that I have trouble holding on to the MF towel.
 
mystickid said:
When applying via pc/flex do you guys prime the whole pad with a light even coat of wax? I felt like perhaps the dry areas of the pad on the paint contributed to the buffer patterns I had all over the car even after buffing off with MF buffing towel. I put 3 daps of 845 on a red lc pads at speed 3 on the flex and thats what happened to me. Done in complete shade too.
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Yeah, I spend a bit of time getting the LSP thoroughly well-distributed, and then I try to scrape out as much excess as possible with a plastic razor blade. I do *NOT* use the "X-number of dabs" method as I worry that won't result in an even enough distribution.
 
Glad I came across this thread, I have a black 2010 Toyota, I dont know if paint is soft or hard, but until I read this post I couldnt figure it out, but I use Wolfgang Sealant as a base and the the next week I used 845, as a top and the next day, I couldnt figure out why it look like the sun was fading my paint, after looking and wipping with (meg. quick detail) and realized it was a haze left by the 845
 
If it happens on black then it probably happens on any color. That last thing you need is a fickle product.

Good to know as i was considering 845. Running low on BFWD; very easy like it should be.
 
wannafbody said:
Are you guys using the new VOC compliant version? I never had issues with the old version even in direct sunlight on navy blue mettallic with hand application. I wonder if the machine application doesn't flash the product off too quickly and lead to uneven application.
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Hmm. when did they switch the formula? And does it say on the label "Now VOC compliant" or something to that effect? I've been using 845 for at least four years with never a problem. Usually apply by hand to the whole car and then follow with removal.
 
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