collinite 845 - the problem, or the situation?

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Envious Eric

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I am thinking its the situation, but I would think it shoudnt matter...



last night while working on a truck, I applied 845 while it was dark out and cool outside, with a little moisture. I applied 845 with a tan meguiars pad with 2 times overlapping passes - up and down. I applied it to the whole truck and came back to wipe it off...On a G35 I did, same thing, applied to the whole car and came back to wipe it off. This time it was semi light out, and not as cool. Speed 5 on the pc



What happened was it looks like the wax would not release from the paint, almost like ((((((((((((( still in the paint (looks like i didnt remove it). I tried wiping it off with 3 different MF towels, then pulled out some last touch and QD to try and remove it - NOTHING. So I had to spend another hour to remove it with poliseal and a polishing pad, which really pissed me off as I still had to spruce up the interior, but at this time it was 8pm and I didn't want to continue working in the dark, at the clients house with the vacuum howling, pissing off the neighbors, so I am going back and doing the interior when I do their boat!



Happened on 2 other cars (all blacks) and this makes me not want to use it anymore even though I USUALLY get great results from it! easy on and easy off!



I have blackfire coming right now, so I will hopefully not run into this problem. I stopped using M21 for the same reason!



School me if its my technique....but I dont think it would be as its just a wax application
 
IMO, speed 5 on the PC is wayyyy too fast for an LSP. Try at speed two and see if you get the issue.
 
I was having that problem with 845. Esp on darker color cars. I would use the ONR QD strength and it would come off. BUT what I started doing is putting it on...going and doing something else (Start cleaning up, work on tireshine, windows, etc.) and then wiping it off and did not have any problems.



Since it is getting colder (in OK), it takes longer for the 845 to haze.
 
You could be "flashing" 845 on the outside diameter of the pad. Misting the pad with water every so often might help.
 
Did you apply any other products (glaze, sealant, etc.) prior to the 845? I've experienced compatibility issues in the past that was only real apparent on black.
 
I just applied 845 an half hour ago in the shade with a Red LC pad on the Flex at speed 2 and I have the exact same problem. I tried applying it very thinly on the paint and I did not put pressure on the flex. Just the weight of the machine if not less. I buffed off and it seemed to come off moderately easy. Then when I pulled it out in the sun, I could clearly see all the motions of the flex pad on the paint. it was like a super thin haze pattern of the orbital motions. I tried buffing it off with brand new mifrofiber buffing towels and Distilled water. I had to rub the paint with hard slow passes and 90% of it is off but theres still some haze that i just cannot buff off. Ughh!. To top it off my polished "BLACK" car now has Micromarring swirls from the buffing. I have never had this issue with #26 or Nattys Blue. What am I doing wrong. 845 has just been difficult for me to use every time. Help! Suggestions on how to completely remove the haze without removing the wax (for ex. without Isop. Alcohol).
 
Huh...sorry, and perplexed, to hear people are having this trouble with 845 :confused:



I to was thinking that speed 5 is a little fast, but I use 4 or so and that's not all that different. But FWIW, I've never applied it via Flex either, only PC/Griot's (never tried it by Cyclo either that I can recall).
 
I keep thinking that this just *has* to be related to some sort of too-aggressive application. Yeah, I'm just guessing, but it sure sounds like either that or some issue with an underlying product (if one was used). I've had this happen from both causes with paste waxes (#16 and 476S), just never with 845. My niece-in-law uses 845 in Memphis, and that's one hot/humid environment...zero problems for her but she's doing it by hand.
 
Ya, the 1st time I used 845 was by hand application which I purposely did under full sun on hot black paint, I don't have a garage s:(. Big mistake! 845 baked right into the clear and it was impossible to remove. Had to bust out 3m Wax and Adhesive remover erosol spray to completely remove it and boy those fumes are strong, even in completely open air.



This 2nd time that i just applied, I learned my lesson and did it under my neighbor's garage shade. Paint was completely cool to the touch. So I gave it another shot via Flex, hoping the a flat thin machine application would do the trick. But as mentioned earlier, it left the whole car with a haze of buffer orbital patterns after I completely buffed it off with some nice sonus derwunder mf buffing towels.



I got the car nearly 95 percent free from the IW haze and put on a coat of Natty's Blue just now. Buffing was a pleasure and it added some great depth and wetness. Perhaps I may give IW another go, as soon as its starts getting a lil colder here.
 
i just detailed my black frontier yesterday. i was in the garage, about 80-85 degrees and humid, but no direct sunlight.

i polished with SIP and a white LC pad, then applied 845 with a blue LC pad on speed 3.



i let it sit for about an hour or more. no problems. i used 5-7 drops across the pad and it covered 2-3 panels. i was very surprised with how far it spread.



of course it rained last night, the truck had beads this morning and after driving to work, it still looks fresh !!!!
 
I'm not where I can reach my bottle of 845 now, but I don't think it says anything about waiting for it to haze. I've been using it quite a bit and I just spray about a 2' x 2' area, rub it in with a sponge pad, then wipe it off with MF towel RIGHT AWAY! Since I have been doing that it works fine, but I know from when I first started using it, if I let it set at all it was hard to get off.
 
Main issues I have with 845 is that the look is too bright IMO on dark colors and I don't think the durability is all that special. Glanz Wax, Meguiars #16 and Carnauba Moose all last longer for me.



I have similar issues (smearing upon removal) with Migliore Waxes but not as extreme as Eric is having. I use two MFs to wipe off initially, then about 5-10 minutes later I go back over it again with a 3rd MF and that removes any minor smearing that remained. More work that most waxes but based on how well it holds up and the really nice glow it has on silvers and pearls I've been using it a lot more lately.
 
scott !!!



dont tell me that, i bought 845 for the durability i have read about..... just detailed my truck and went with 845 instead of CMW



eh,

i guess we shall see and decide once september comes...........which one to go with

for winter protection
 
oh,

btw,



the 845 bottle does say to allow the product to dry to a haze...... different conditions may warrant different " haze times"
 
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