Coatings vs. Standard LSP'S discussion

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mg031 said:
No but I have tried this,
Nano-Resin | Dr. Beasley's

Had it on 5 months so far and holding up great and looks great. Slick and so far no need for topper and resists water spots pretty well.
Will it last the advertised 2-3 years? remains to be seen.
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Yes, but at the price that it is, even if it failed within a year it's still a better priced product for what you say the performance is.
 
boxingfan30 said:
Yes, but at the price that it is, even if it failed within a year it's still a better priced product for what you say the performance is.
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That's why I bought 2 of these bottles for testing :) So far doesn't look like a need for the second bottle. I think I will use it on a detail, next time for a coating.

What's even better is there's no Odor to get you dizzy if doing in a garage and you don't have to be so OCD in removing it proper / high spots like alot of coatings. We'll see in the long run.
 
Speaking of toppers. I also don't like / see a need if it's a true coating. However, I did really like Sonax Polymer Netshield on top of Opticoat. The beading and self cleaning characteristics where ridiculously good. Better than the reloads etc. Don't know if it works as good on Cquartz / Gloss coat but will also try to test it. I don't see why it wouldn't work.
 
First lemme say that I've yet to use a coating...so a grain of salt is required here. However, I have used my fair share of waxes and polymer sealants over 40+ years.
I think there are many different camps out there...and here. Some want gloss, some want durability/longevity. Some want an all in one cleaner/'wax'. Some will clay and or polish, some never will. Some will wash every week and 'wax' often, others will not. For some the ride is a baby, for others it's a neglected step child.

I want to keep my truck looking new. I can invest extra time spring, summer and fall, but we get a good 5 months of winter with SALT and the cold weather prevents anything other than the touchless or coin-op pressure wash. So in the fall, I like to lay on some protection that will get me through the winter.
I'm currently in a Duragloss sealant phase: 601/105 & 601/111, topped with Aquawax. I've yet to see how it fairs over the harsh winter (maybe I'll top the sealant with collinite before the snow flies)

I too am a bit skeptical of the coating hype, especially the ones with 'pro' brands I'm not allowed to use. It reminds me of the driveway sealant guys that tell me they use a special sealant I couldn't buy. Then they spray on a micro layer of something that doesn't last any longer than anything I can buy and doesn't fill in cracks worth beans!
And then there's hearing the stories of streaking and spotting with coatings, so I think I'll stick with sealants, especially for winter and maybe a good carnuba in spring/summer.
 
mg031 said:
Speaking of toppers. I also don't like / see a need if it's a true coating. However, I did really like Sonax Polymer Netshield on top of Opticoat. The beading and self cleaning characteristics where ridiculously good. Better than the reloads etc. Don't know if it works as good on Cquartz / Gloss coat but will also try to test it. I don't see why it wouldn't work.
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I have heard a lot of things about netshield ... good things I mean
 
With stuff like PNS, Hydro2, Sonax BSD, Reload, WetCoat; that are super easy to apply and last 3 months or more do we really need to use a coating anymore? For are easy as they are the beading and sheeting I have seriously considered just going with the "toppers" and skipping the coatings altogether.
 
TroyScherer said:
With stuff like PNS, Hydro2, Sonax BSD, Reload, WetCoat; that are super easy to apply and last 3 months or more do we really need to use a coating anymore? For are easy as they are the beading and sheeting I have seriously considered just going with the "toppers" and skipping the coatings altogether.
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Ahhhhhh

That make too much sense. There has to be another way. B)
 
Ronkh said:
Ahhhhhh

That make too much sense. There has to be another way. B)
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To be fair, there really is quite a good amount of scratch resistance with the coatings, the question for me remains... is that area important enough to outweigh the fact that many coatings are indeed a lot of work, and they are more maintenance than the companies let on. Like I said, you now have suggestions to use spot removers, and things such as reload, or vs1, or cure, all coatings have some sort of topper that isn't cheap and while it may last a while.. it's not really doing the consumer a favor who believes that once this coating is on, for 2-3 years his/her troubles are over, it's not gonna scratch and it's going to look brand new after every wash or rainstorm.
 
That's what we were lead to believe. Now making me second guess getting a coating if there is just as much work involved in maintenance.

boxingfan30 said:
To be fair, there really is quite a good amount of scratch resistance with the coatings, the question for me remains... is that area important enough to outweigh the fact that many coatings are indeed a lot of work, and they are more maintenance than the companies let on. Like I said, you now have suggestions to use spot removers, and things such as reload, or vs1, or cure, all coatings have some sort of topper that isn't cheap and while it may last a while.. it's not really doing the consumer a favor who believes that once this coating is on, for 2-3 years his/her troubles are over, it's not gonna scratch and it's going to look brand new after every wash or rainstorm.
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RitcheyRch said:
That's what we were lead to believe. Now making me second guess getting a coating if there is just as much work involved in maintenance.
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It also depends on your environment... if it's mainly rain, which has a low PPI or PPO? level, and your not using harsh town water and such, it's not as big of a deal... for me, it's been an absolute constant irritation, knowing I need to buff the rest of the CQUK off. Perhaps look into the Dr. Beasley's coating... the person on page 2 (don't recall his name) said he hasn't had any issues thus far. There's got to be some sort of coating that actually does the job without the upkeep. I'd rather have a hard coating that wears off in 6 months than one that is said to last for 2 years and I start having issues with it at 6 months.
 
hardly any rain here in Southern California. Was considering a coating to save me from spending hours on the weekend cleaning the car and keeping bug splatter and bird crap off.

boxingfan30 said:
It also depends on your environment... if it's mainly rain, which has a low PPI or PPO? level, and your not using harsh town water and such, it's not as big of a deal... for me, it's been an absolute constant irritation, knowing I need to buff the rest of the CQUK off. Perhaps look into the Dr. Beasley's coating... the person on page 2 (don't recall his name) said he hasn't had any issues thus far. There's got to be some sort of coating that actually does the job without the upkeep. I'd rather have a hard coating that wears off in 6 months than one that is said to last for 2 years and I start having issues with it at 6 months.
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RitcheyRch said:
hardly any rain here in Southern California. Was considering a coating to save me from spending hours on the weekend cleaning the car and keeping bug splatter and bird crap off.
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so those are your top priorities? Scratch resistance isn't at the top of your list? (not that any of us here wouldn't like to have better scratch resistance) You really have to ask yourself what your top priorities are. Accumulator for instance is a huge... and I do mean HUGE fan of FK1000P and I have used it myself and do like it. It holds up well to heat (about 215 degrees IIRC) and it's very good for resisting bird droppings and makes cleaning bugs and such off a much easier process. He also feels it sheds dirt very well, though it's been a while since I have used it so I don't recall that area myself. It's about 20-25$ for a large tin of it (paste wax) and it would likely take a few years to use it all up.
 
I'd rather wait at least a year before speaking anything more about the Dr. Beasley's. But I'll admit the cost of it is refreshing as well as BulletProof v2.
Some others i'm testing cost a whole lot more and not sure I see a great difference for the cost.

It's almost the new tech version of my old Carnauba Fetish B) I want something reliable and keep what they promise within reason. Price and ease of usability of course a plus.
 
So I just did my first two cars with two different coatings and prior I was all in with Zaino. I really loved the look of Zaino and was easily layered. Eventually, I was applying a layer ever week with z2 and then clear seal and all in all the car looked incredible, was slick and beaded and sheeting amazing. After reading about all the coatings, I went with Blackfire Crystal Coat and 22PLE signature. Conclusions as follows:

a) Sealants are much easier to put on. I did learn that either needs eraser or another IPA (I didn't do an IPA before a Zaino application and it streaked like crazy). After doing the coating it was obvious that the IPA removes polishing oils and if you don't use an IPA, it probably will botch a sealant and definitely coating application.

b) Both 22PLE and Blackfire have to be watched like a hawk when they are flashing. If you miss a spot, be prepared to repolish and reapply. In my applications, I went very slowly and found I needed at least 2 hours to apply and buff off. Was pretty painful.

c) Sheeting and beading - coatings are the winner. I saw like a 1.25 inch bead on the 22PLE car and the sheeting was amazing; that is not to say sealants don't bead and sheet, it was just clear to me coatings are better.

d) Durability - undetermined - they will go through a northeast winter in a few month so next march I will examine the beading sheeting. I can say last winter, I had 10 coats of zaino and it was still getting good beads and sheeting (although the car is garaged) after the winter.

f) Finally, and most importantly, looks - somewhat a disappointment in the coatings. After reading about the amazing gloss of 22PLE and Blackfire coatings, I thought the car was going to look more reflective than Zaino. To be sure I could really see this, I spent 10 hours re-polishing the cars with pf4500 which brought out the deep black on my lexus and the deep blue on a ford tarus. I assumed the coatings would then add "reflectivity" to the car and it didn't really pop. To some extent, the Zaino actually looked better (i got the shimmering look with zaino). I was disappointed for sure but I have to assume it needs a topping (vs1 sealant for 22ple and Blackfire instant detailer) which I am hoping will help. It may be that coatings are really a durability play and as long as I can get through the winter I don't care about durability. I haven't decided yet but looks are the most important criteria for me so it may be back to sealants.
 
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