Chemical Guy... New thread w/o bashing

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I don't mind getting the Extreme VRT and parting it out. I'm also thinking of trying the paste as it's only like 12 bucks. Any takers on the Extreme VRT?
 
Yeah, I guess some of my loyalty to PB's revolves around free stuff. That and that stuff gets shipped to me the next day. Although I do feel their SSR lineup is a weak link, they also make a number of products that are unmatched IMHO (and not actually made by Chemical Guys to boot :)). I haven't found any other products I like as much as Natural Look, Spray + Gloss, Spray + Rinse, and Wheel Sealant.



Plus, its not like their prices are particularly unreasonable, compared to the boutique brands like Sonus and Pinnacle.
 
Burlyq said:
You're not alone, many people have told me the same thing, but nobody has said it isn't the same. No big deal, if people want to pay higher price for it, cool.:xyxthumbs
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That's not true, the owner of Poorboys has told you on different occassions. Like I have said to you before, there are many products out there that work very good. Find one you like and stick to it. No reason to keep stating unproven accusations :D
 
"Why? Why isn't everyone loyal to CG's like they are to PB's? It's hilarious, it's almost like ya'll want to spend more money because a company through you a sample or something."



Burly, PB products ARE independently designed.



Geez, how many times do we have to go over this? Steve has his own chemist who helps formulate the products. According to Steve they did 4 iterations on SSR and 23 on Spray & Wipe. In my mind, that may be why they perform so well.



I don't think PB prices are unreasonable particularly in light of the customer service and attention to detail that Steve has.



You seem to have a very mistaken notion that PS is simply rebranded Chemical Guys product. That is simply not true.
 
Lee, have YOU used ANY of the CG's products? There are some people here that have used BOTH products and can form an opinion. Before you say that they AREN'T the same maybe you should give some of the products a try. *I* don't know if they are or aren't but I certainly wont state that either way either. I'm not saying that Steve is or isn't telling the truth but I'm pretty sure that the CG's have chemists too and his statement would still hold true if he's using one of their chemist wouldn't it?
 
This thread was not really intended to stir controvery over PBs stuff. Simply put, CGs look like PBs SSRs and I was interested in trying some.



I now have a whole gallon of the medium compound that I've been working with for the past two days. I'm simply here to inform others about the performance of the product. I could give two sh*ts out PBs in regard to this thread.



There is, w/o question, a place for PBs stuff on my shelf. But, it will no longer be SSR. I've now experienced the joy that comes with finding a new product and finding it works equally as well as a more expensive product. Again, that was the point to this whole thread. IMO, for the professional detailer who uses PBs stuff daily, the CGs product can produce the same results and help them make/ save alot of money... Bottom line!



When others buy some of CGs product and want to trade for some compound, I'm willing.



JJ
 
"I'm not saying that Steve is or isn't telling the truth but I'm pretty sure that the CG's have chemists too and his statement would still hold true if he's using one of their chemist wouldn't it?"



You are missing my point. The point is that Steve has UNIQUE formulations developed in conjunction with his chemist. That is FAR different than Chemical Guys rebranding product for Poorboys (or adding color, scent, etc.) which is what Burly is implying above based on my reading of his statements.



I think this does border on spreading misinformation on Poorboys and that goes against the truth-seeking mission of this board.
 
Burlyq said:
Silver,

You simply have no clue, if the mission is what you said it is then simply try some. Then consider an appoligy to me.
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I do not believe I have seen any post where you have stated that YOU have tried the CG polishes. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
Guys,



This thread was started by JJ as a way to discuss CG products WITHOUT the bickering that has occured on the last few pages. Please:



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I'd rather not see the mods intervene on this, lets keep it civil and productive (e.g. with pics of our vehicles that have been detailed with CG products).



I now have some samples (thanks again Mike) in my possession to try. I will post my results as soon as some time frees up.



JJ,



We need a list of those who have some of the CG products, so I know who to PM....



Craig
 
ok, i'm going to go off topic a little bit. is the XXX wax bought from chemical guys too? and is it reformulated like the ssr polishes?



and which cg polish corresponds to the srr line of polishes; for those who have tried both. for me, if it works pretty close to ssr at half the cost, im all for it. best bang for my buck.
 
Lee, how do you know if Steve has "unique" formulations? Because he told you so? Oh, ok. You and I both don't know the answer to that question so we can't defend one side or the other with certain validity.
 
J.J. said:
This thread was not really intended to stir controvery over PBs stuff. Simply put, CGs look like PBs SSRs and I was interested in trying some.



I now have a whole gallon of the medium compound that I've been working with for the past two days. I'm simply here to inform others about the performance of the product. I could give two sh*ts out PBs in regard to this thread.



There is, w/o question, a place for PBs stuff on my shelf. But, it will no longer be SSR. I've now experienced the joy that comes with finding a new product and finding it works equally as well as a more expensive product. Again, that was the point to this whole thread. IMO, for the professional detailer who uses PBs stuff daily, the CGs product can produce the same results and help them make/ save alot of money... Bottom line!



When others buy some of CGs product and want to trade for some compound, I'm willing.



JJ
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Hi JJ,



Before this thing gets out of hand again, I agree that CG probably makes a fine product and performs well. Just like many products out there. I think the point is, some on here seem to have it out for PB and the assumption that they're deceiving customers. Burlyq has been on this crusade for some time and continues to bring the two together. My contention has always been to let CG product stand on its own and if a person is satisfied with the performance, the price and the service, then they should definitely use it. Whether it performs similar to PoorBoys product isn't even relevant. I just hate to see a product line continually put down when it's not even necessary and goes against the grain of what this forum was designed for. Burlyq even PM'd me and accused me of being a PoorBoys rep which I thought was totally out of line as it's so far from the truth I had to laugh.



Many products have been discovered in this forum and it's great that people use them and put their reviews in, but they should never be at the expense of another products reputation (not aimed at you). I enjoyed your review and may even some day look to use some CG product, but right now I happen to use DACP and Speed Glaze for most of my prep work and have been very satisfied with the results. It's priced comparably to CG's products and is available locally, so I see no need to look any further. I've used some PB's LSP products and have liked the results, but have also found others to perform adequately to. Let's all just enjoy detailing and discussing products without making it Product Line A against Product Line B. (by the way, this isn't directed at you, but just an overall general opninion of mine). Thanks and happy detailing.:D
 
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Lee, how do you know if Steve has "unique" formulations? Because he told you so? Oh, ok. You and I both don't know the answer to that question so we can't defend one side or the other with certain validity.
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I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'll interject my opinion. I guess I take a person at face value when they have shown to be a company that provides great service and quality product and has been very involved in the detail community. He shouldn't have to continually defend himself. I'm just an individual person that details my own vehicles and a few others, but when I read responses from well over a hundred other members about the quality of the product and the outstanding service they have received, I tend to talke the side of the owner unless shown otherwise. So far, nobody has shown me differently.:)
 
Burlyq said:
it is appropiate to talk about the silimarities of products is it not?
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Yes, but not when a respected company is being attacked in the process. Poorboy's has had continuous attacks by members in the past month.



It is widely believed that S100 and P21S are the same product; one costs twice as much. P21S and S100 are not being treated as though they are misleading or ripping off customers. Yet, a person finds similarities between the SSR line and CG polishes and all hell breaks loose in various threads. There are implications of Steve not telling the truth. There is not much worse than being called a liar. Why the difference?
 
Silver,

You simply have no clue, if the mission is what you said it is then simply try some. Then consider an appoligy to me.
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Burly,



I don't appreciate the personal attack by saying I have no clue.



I don't have any issue with CG products as I have stated twice now.



My issue is that you have implied, without any evidence whatsoever, that PB does not have unique formulas and is rebranded CG product.



I have no chemical formulas I can share since those are Steve's trade secrets but my conversations with Steve have led me to believe he is a trustworthy person who cares about product performance and customer service/integrity above all else. For that reason, I believe him when he describes in detail his manufacturing and design process.



This forum should be for the search for the best quality products and truth about various offerings. Your implications of PB being simply rebranded CG product is not backed up by any evidence so I feel it is doing the Autopia community a disservice.
 
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