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[wfedwar]

Polish does NOT migrate to the middle of the pad. I don't care what you or anyone else try to report. Centrifugal force pushes product to the outside edges of the pad regardless if you're using wool, foam, or these new cool pads. Now I realize that centrifugal force isn't linear, but rather exponential as you move closer to the outside edge of the pads, but regardless the physics of the situation show that the "migration" or "build-up" isn't quite as they try to make it to be in the video. The reason there seems to be more build-up in the center is because any product that gets to that area (like when smearing compounds across a panel / spreading across a panel at a slow speed) is not going to get the same amount of speed+heat as the portions on the outer edge, and therefor doesn't break down.

This is correct. The way I see it is the center of the pad is really just wasted space. After priming, I just apply polish about 2/3rds of the way out. That works for me, and I don't usually have any problems.

 

[twisted007]

WhyteWizard yes he has o get there just like the product has to get to the pad. he stay in middle an don't get forced out cause he don't move like the the spindle on a buffer. that is why the pads have concaved whole anything that hits the edge of the hole shoots back out towards the edge of the pad. just like if the guy steps out of the center an hits the concaved box he stays in he will get shot to the edge of the ride. it's a no brainer to figure that out an see the purpose of the pad.



as for the other info. yes i agree foam might be good might be bad bp maybe good or bad but that is another story.



as for the [no matter how long we polish and run grinders, physics is still going to be what defines reality] this is true but not to the detailing world how long we run the machines an use them defines reality it's called experience the old rule of the more you use or practice something the better you get period.

 

[Barry Theal]

well I just ordered these pads so we will see how they work. I'm very curious as we all have different methods. I wonder what conveince this will bring.

 

[imported_WhyteWizard]

As I originally stated - its a good idea and I believe any improvement, regardless of how small, is still an improvement.



Polish does NOT migrate to the middle of the pad. I don't care what you or anyone else try to report. Centrifugal force pushes product to the outside edges of the pad regardless if you're using wool, foam, or these new cool pads. Now I realize that centrifugal force isn't linear, but rather exponential as you move closer to the outside edge of the pads, but regardless the physics of the situation show that the "migration" or "build-up" isn't quite as they try to make it to be in the video. The reason there seems to be more build-up in the center is because any product that gets to that area (like when smearing compounds across a panel / spreading across a panel at a slow speed) is not going to get the same amount of speed+heat as the portions on the outer edge, and therefor doesn't break down. Keeping on the idea of heat and the speed of the pad: because the outside 2/3rds of the pad are the potions that are actually leveling the clear's/paint's surface, they're also the portions that are much more likely to be clogged with clear-coat which will surely affect the appearance and texture of those areas. When I use one of those handy-dandy orange polish brushes, I often find it's not so much compound residue that is building up, but rather clear-coat.



My original post wasn't a shot at you or any other person on these boards. I hope you understand I have a lot of respect for all members here, especially ones like yourself that have done a lot to contribute steadily to the community. It's not to say that people just don't know how to use equipment, but rather is a result of quality marketing by those trying to sell the pads.

Never the less, I'd like to try these pads out, and will likely do so with my next big order of pads.

Hey Mutt,



I don't think Barry means migrate as in, gets spun there, in fact, I know he knows how a centrifuge works, so in this case I'm pretty sure you, he, and I all agree on how the polish gets there and why it stays there.



That said, I agree with the rest of your post.



Robert

 

[lland]

I don't think the product actually "migrates" toward the center but as the pad moves over the product, it accumulates in the center. Since the center of the pad is spinning slower relative to the outside (a point on the the outside edge of a 6" pad travels a bit more than 18" in one revolution where a point 1" from the center travels just over 6" in one revolution, or approximatly 1/3 the speed of a point on the outside edge). With the center moving slower, it doesn't generate the friction necessary to break down the product, and it accumulates. With no center, these pads force the product to stay on the outer 2/3 where it is spinning fast enough to break it down and avoid any accumulation. At least that's how I see it.



LL

 

[getcha]

So, Getcha, I'd be careful who you categorize as not having their technique dialed in.

I wasn't categorizing anyone. There is a reason(obviously) why some of us don't experience pad loading like this and some do. And now that I have to explain what I say when I say technique I clearly don't mean polishing - as in the act itself...



I am proficient with a rotary and while I don't have a decade plus of experience on it exclusively I was merely trying to infer(without saying directly) that if you use too much polish, the pad with become loaded.

 

[twisted007]

Well mail came an gone today they did not show up hopefully monday tried to call them but i think closed for holiday.

 

[rcrobbins]

Hmmm it's a very entertaining concept. I've been experimenting with cutting and shaping pads to see the effects. This hollowed cone shape in the center seems pretty easy to modify into a flat pad. I just may have to give it a try!

 

[ABQDetailer]

I think everybody here agrees that the middle part of the pad is wasted space and does nothing for correction.



With that being said I think the best benefit of this concept is the lack of the middle part. Although no product buildup is a obvious benefit I think it's better that there is no pad in the middle to create wasted friction.

 

[Flashtime]

Very interesting! Would be good to see him working a larger area.



Although, I do try to keep the pad flat, I find myself working with a slight tilt;

checking progress on the back stroke.

 

[twisted007]

Here is another short video



YouTube - Gary Sabo Interview

 

[MarcHarris]

oooooohhhh I can't wait to see Barry's review! I wouldn't be ordering until the Spring so it'll be nice to have someone with some experience in these b4 i spend more money

 

[wannafbody]

I think they'd work well on a rotary but wouldn't have any advantage when using a PC or Flex.