Car Dealership Detailing In Action!

1 - this statement is the key here and why Autopians are "giving you a hard time". While I haven't seen your work in person and it maybe fantastic, based on what is seen in your videos i'd say that you cater to fairly low standards. To be honest, that is fine, since top quality work is pricey and most people wouldn't pay for it. Remember that the average person (that includes everyone at most dealerships) wouldn't and couldn't tell if your finish is as good as possible. I am sure that even you aren't aware how much better you could be. Following the same routine you have learned 20+ years ago proves that point.



2 - again it is funny how you make assumptions of the members here, yet you use terrible grammar to get your point across. I realize that it will not have an affect on one's skills, but since you brought it up, I thought it deserved a mention.



3 - yes I can remove hard water stains and all of the pros I know who post here also can) done it too many times - not very hard to do. Same with auto moldings, yes I can. Protective and marine coatings, the answer it yes. I can also remove RIDS/scratches from 3M clear bras.



Now, can you prove that you can level paint, not just glaze over it to look ok for a week. Are you willing to take that challenge? Out of all your videos or pictures, can you give us a link or post pictures/videos here to prove that we are wrong?



If you even reply to my post, repeating how you are the only one who removes overspray will not count.



Thanks for reading Jeff.



PS: I can post an example if you are not clear what you should be looking for.



Jeff Suggs said:
That is real bug talk behind a key board. Did your dad not teach you to be a man. By the way everyone your **** talking is what started all these comments. I am not trying to make friends or influence anyone. I travel all over the world Russia, Japan, China, Dubai and everyone that I have ever met has never put my work down. The Reason behind that is the fact that you dudes are simple in the head. You would never even dream of preforming the kind of work demonstrated in my videos. Can any of you remove hard water stains, i can the videos are there. Can any of you pros remove overspray from auto moldings, i can and have the videos to prove it. Can any of you remove Protective and marine coatings overspray damage, I can the videos are everywhere.
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Shiny Lil Detlr said:
So it's just like M66 (D151's predecessor), then....







Isn't it a bit too late for you to make that statement? I mean, you already did post on the video of an Autopia member.



Opti-Coat 2.0 application.wmv - YouTube
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I would say M66 cleans a gazillion times better chemically, BC2 doesn't chemically clean as well, and D151 I think is a 30/30/30(correct,fill,clean) breakdown. But I think BC2 is sorta the competitor product. It's nice by DA





On the subject of the video of Rasky while staying out of the bickering here because I think we all know my feeling on this, in Rasky's video Charlie posted you wouldn't even be able to tell if it was swirled or not - wrong, non direct only ambient lightning. All of Rasky's other videos show him eliminating swirls and defect..
 
Jeff Suggs said:
You would never even dream of preforming the kind of work demonstrated in my videos.
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You've got that right! I don't think anyone here would disagree on that point.





Barry Theal said:
I have made many mistakes over my career as a detailer. If you feel your methods for overspray removal are the right way. I would love to hear why.
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Jeff,



It may be possible that you have certain knowledge or skills that others could learn from, but just as you ask for "video proof" of others work, you are being asked to do more than say "I'm the best and the rest of you are clueless." Please provide a logical explanation rather than an emotional one. Some possible points for discussion:



How many microns are removed by your polishing, especially with wool pad on edge and passing over convex angles?



How do you polish over plastic trim with a 10" wool pad on a rotary @ ~1800 rpm without burning it?



How do you safely polish over painted plastic emblems and badges without damage?



In 30 years you must have plenty of knowledge about the risks and dangers of your methods and a specialized technique that you have developed that all these other top detailers are not yet aware of. Again... supporting EVIDENCE of YOUR work is what is being requested, not criticizing other's. People here have stated why your methods are risky and why the TRUE results are questioned.





tdekany said:
I am sure that even you aren't aware how much better you could be. Following the same routine you have learned 20+ years ago proves that point.
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Jeff,



If you have something to teach there are many here willing to learn. Are you open to learning? I am sure everyone here has learned something along the way that made them think "I wish I had learned that long ago." A genuine discussion of the pros and cons of techniques using scientific evidence could very well make all of us better detailers. If you are unwilling to partake in such a discussion then one can only assume it is because you FEAR you may have nothing of value to contribute. Please educate us and allow us to educate you.
 
autoaesthetica said:
I would say M66 cleans a gazillion times better chemically, BC2 doesn't chemically clean as well, and D151 I think is a 30/30/30(correct,fill,clean) breakdown. But I think BC2 is sorta the competitor product. It's nice by DA
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Gotcha. :cool:
 
Jeff Suggs said:
That is real bug talk behind a key board. Did your dad not teach you to be a man. By the way everyone your **** talking is what started all these comments. I am not trying to make friends or influence anyone. I travel all over the world Russia, Japan, China, Dubai and everyone that I have ever met has never put my work down. The Reason behind that is the fact that you dudes are simple in the head. You would never even dream of preforming the kind of work demonstrated in my videos. Can any of you remove hard water stains, i can the videos are there. Can any of you pros remove overspray from auto moldings, i can and have the videos to prove it. Can any of you remove Protective and marine coatings overspray damage, I can the videos are everywhere.
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Jeff I hate to break it to you but let me explain in the nicest way possible - you are not a unique snowflake. Nothing you are doing is innovative, or unique. There are scores of people on this site alone that do everything you offer and far, far more. People like you are everything that is wrong with the auto recondition business - HUGE attitude, nothing to back it up. I could lecture you about the videos you are so proud of about your terrible grammar, shabby appearance and uneducated content you espouse in them but I won't - it isn't productive and frankly I doubt you would understand.



How people that ultimately shine, polish, clean or service cars in one way or another develop the grandiose, overinflated sense of self worth I have seen since the beginning of these forums on the internet is beyond me. At the end of the day, it's all about money and does your business make any. I often laugh that many of the loudest voices like yourself have the least to show for all the big talk they do. If this is your thing and you think talking big on an internet forum is going to impress people - have at it Hoss. There are people I have met and seen on forums such as this I really am impressed by and am honoured to have met - because not only are they quality people but they are highly trained, intelligent business people. Sadly Jeff, you aren't one of them. I'm not impressed in the least. Your methods you tout in your videos are half *** and most likely destructive and your attitude that you're a one of a kind specialist is laughable (your polishing technique on that Volvo was frightening).



We don't even specialize in overspray removal in my shop like you do and I have serviced thousands of overspray jobs ranging from 2 part epoxy, polyurethane roofing insulation, concrete splatter, heavy mineral/rust deposits, latex/alkyd paint splatter, graffiti, road paint and MANY others. They are all corrected properly and restored to better than new condition using correct techniques we acquired through training at several qualified sources over 18 years in business. Rather than run your mouth maybe you should take a step back and imagine you might just be able to learn something here. People like Ron Ketchum have a wealth of knowledge to share earned over a long industrious career - you should really take advantage of that rather than just talking smack about people being "car washers" to help soothe your wounded ego.
 
autoaesthetica said:
BC2 is sorta like a diminishing abrasive version of D151 from Meguiar's. You can use it as a finishing step if needed. Its probably one of the better AM refinishing products, not AMAZING OMOGMOMGOMG, but its pretty good.



EDIT. BTW, have a great restful thanksgiving everyone.
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Thanks for the reply Mike.
 
All I have to say after reading through this whole thread is WOW!



I'm by no means as seasoned as some of the others on this site. However, I do know proper techniques and practice them on every vehicle I detail, polish, wash & wax, whatever you'd like to call it.



I don't see how having a bunch of videos on youtube makes this guy an expert in anything. Camera's don't always pick up every defect in the paint. And just because it's an HD camera still doesn't mean it picks up everything. And I'm sure most people that try to capture their work by picture or video knows this. The lighting has to be perfect and even still sometimes holograms still hide. Especially if they are covered up by a glaze.



He obviously has his customer base and from what it looks like it seems to be mostly dealerships. Which we all know are based on quantity of vehicles out the door and not the quality of the work. The guy is making a living doing this stuff, but I can say that in my personal opinion it doesn't seem very professional at all. Especially when you swear in your own video. This alone would be enough for me not to hire you if I was a potential customer.



And as has been mentioned before here that your average Joe has no clue about paint or what they are looking at.



Just my 2 cents...take it for what it's worth.



Before I get the post of where are your videos - I don't have any videos. Sorry I've yet to venture into that.
 
SeaJay's said:
All I have to say after reading through this whole thread is WOW!



I'm by no means as seasoned as some of the others on this site. However, I do know proper techniques and practice them on every vehicle I detail, polish, wash & wax, whatever you'd like to call it.



I don't see how having a bunch of videos on youtube makes this guy an expert in anything. Camera's don't always pick up every defect in the paint. And just because it's an HD camera still doesn't mean it picks up everything. And I'm sure most people that try to capture their work by picture or video knows this. The lighting has to be perfect and even still sometimes holograms still hide. Especially if they are covered up by a glaze.



He obviously has his customer base and from what it looks like it seems to be mostly dealerships. Which we all know are based on quantity of vehicles out the door and not the quality of the work. The guy is making a living doing this stuff, but I can say that in my personal opinion it doesn't seem very professional at all. Especially when you swear in your own video. This alone would be enough for me not to hire you if I was a potential customer.



And as has been mentioned before here that your average Joe has no clue about paint or what they are looking at.



Just my 2 cents...take it for what it's worth.



Before I get the post of where are your videos - I don't have any videos. Sorry I've yet to venture into that.
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Seajay, Autopians don't need videos on YouTube to legitimize their work.

Those that have posted lengthy photo eessays and the occasional video use it for two reasons: to show pride in their work and as a teaching tool.



One can never stop learning about their craft. I have been detailing for 20+ years and have watched and learned a lot from people like Barry Theal, Todd Helme, Todd Cooperrider, Richard Lin, Mike Phillips and many others.



PS: enjoy the day... 60 degrees in Southern New England in November! :spot
 
DaGonz said:
Seajay, Autopians don't need videos on YouTube to legitimize their work.

Those that have posted lengthy photo eessays and the occasional video use it for two reasons: to show pride in their work and as a teaching tool.



One can never stop learning about their craft. I have been detailing for 20+ years and have watched and learned a lot from people like Barry Theal, Todd Helme, Todd Cooperrider, Richard Lin, Mike Phillips and many others.



PS: enjoy the day... 60 degrees in Southern New England in November! :spot
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I definitely understand why people do the photo and video posts. They are definitely helpful when it comes to teaching or just showing pride in your own work. I'm more of a picture guy just because I really hate being in pictures or on video. However, it does seem like the trend now is for video so I will be practicing my on camera theatrics and hopefully get some quality videos up, even if they are just introduction videos for my website.



Unfortunately I won't be in Mass for the beautiful weather! I'm heading up to Little Sebago lake in Maine for the weekend. Going to be chilly up there as they just got snow the other night. I'd much rather be detailing a car today and making some money
 
SeaJay's said:
All I have to say after reading through this whole thread is WOW!



I'm by no means as seasoned as some of the others on this site. However, I do know proper techniques and practice them on every vehicle I detail, polish, wash & wax, whatever you'd like to call it.



I don't see how having a bunch of videos on youtube makes this guy an expert in anything. Camera's don't always pick up every defect in the paint. And just because it's an HD camera still doesn't mean it picks up everything. And I'm sure most people that try to capture their work by picture or video knows this. The lighting has to be perfect and even still sometimes holograms still hide. Especially if they are covered up by a glaze.



He obviously has his customer base and from what it looks like it seems to be mostly dealerships. Which we all know are based on quantity of vehicles out the door and not the quality of the work. The guy is making a living doing this stuff, but I can say that in my personal opinion it doesn't seem very professional at all. Especially when you swear in your own video. This alone would be enough for me not to hire you if I was a potential customer.



And as has been mentioned before here that your average Joe has no clue about paint or what they are looking at.



Just my 2 cents...take it for what it's worth.



Before I get the post of where are your videos - I don't have any videos. Sorry I've yet to venture into that.
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In 18 years of dealing with dealerships/insurance companies and overspray contracts I can assure you that the vast majority of these overspray deals go to the lowest bidder. We used to do overspray removal for a factory that had filtration problems from their paint shop and it was apparently cheaper to just pay to have everyone's car detailed every year than pay the millions it would cost to fix the problem. We were called and offered $200 flat rate to do the cars which were covered head to toe with a component of the paint system they were using (part of the hardener) and was incredibly difficult to remove from the paint and would usually take 2-4 hours per car + a complete polish job afterwards. We politely declined and offered our assistance should they need us @ $60 per hour. After about a month (and 2 vehicles needing to be completely repainted due to other shops wrecking the paint) they called and we started getting the vast majority of the work not because they wanted the jobs done right but because the union had threatened a lawsuit of we weren't used and the vehicles repaired properly. The company continuously nickel and dimed us for the duration of the time we did their work culminating with a return to the $200 flat rate offer which I refused and stopped doing their work. It's a vicious cycle and certainly nothing to "brag" about being the guy that is getting these jobs like this Suggs character is doing.
 
ShineShop said:
In 18 years of dealing with dealerships/insurance companies and overspray contracts I can assure you that the vast majority of these overspray deals go to the lowest bidder. We used to do overspray removal for a factory that had filtration problems from their paint shop and it was apparently cheaper to just pay to have everyone's car detailed every year than pay the millions it would cost to fix the problem. We were called and offered $200 flat rate to do the cars which were covered head to toe with a component of the paint system they were using (part of the hardener) and was incredibly difficult to remove from the paint and would usually take 2-4 hours per car + a complete polish job afterwards. We politely declined and offered our assistance should they need us @ $60 per hour. After about a month (and 2 vehicles needing to be completely repainted due to other shops wrecking the paint) they called and we started getting the vast majority of the work not because they wanted the jobs done right but because the union had threatened a lawsuit of we weren't used and the vehicles repaired properly. The company continuously nickel and dimed us for the duration of the time we did their work culminating with a return to the $200 flat rate offer which I refused and stopped doing their work. It's a vicious cycle and certainly nothing to "brag" about being the guy that is getting these jobs like this Suggs character is doing.
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I just love how dealerships try to swindle detailers. It's sad really. In the end it gives the real detailers more business but imagine how many of those vehicles they sell that are covered in holograms never get fixed. And the customers are paying their hard earned money for a vehicle with a crappy finish.



I realize that they are still trying to make a profit, however so are we! I have some a few cars for a local small dealership. I've always been against working for a dealership cause they try to nickle and dime you. But I was covering for another detailer who's gig this is. Anyway, they expect you to work miracles. The last vehicle I did for them was a 98 Lexus. It was white and was covered in tar, iron particles, etc. And the paint really needed to be polished out. Oh and the kicker was I have 2 hours to complete the car. So, I washed, iron-x, clayed, and then waxed it. When the sales guy came out to look at the car he's like oh you haven't even polished it yet. Which I then replied back "Sorry but for what you paying me and the time that you gave me to finish this car I won't be polishing it.". Which he didn't seem to happy with. So, instead of arguing with me on that he decided to try to get me to take care of the cloudy headlights. So, to be fair and not to cause any issues (again not my account) I took care of the headlights at no additional charge. But left the car un-polished.



It actually really got to me cause I spent a good amount of time just trying to get the paint clean! Hard work just goes unnoticed in dealerships. As I said before it's about quantity and not quality.
 
SeaJay's said:
I just love how dealerships try to swindle detailers. It's sad really. In the end it gives the real detailers more business but imagine how many of those vehicles they sell that are covered in holograms never get fixed. And the customers are paying their hard earned money for a vehicle with a crappy finish.



I realize that they are still trying to make a profit, however so are we! I have some a few cars for a local small dealership. I've always been against working for a dealership cause they try to nickle and dime you. But I was covering for another detailer who's gig this is. Anyway, they expect you to work miracles. The last vehicle I did for them was a 98 Lexus. It was white and was covered in tar, iron particles, etc. And the paint really needed to be polished out. Oh and the kicker was I have 2 hours to complete the car. So, I washed, iron-x, clayed, and then waxed it. When the sales guy came out to look at the car he's like oh you haven't even polished it yet. Which I then replied back "Sorry but for what you paying me and the time that you gave me to finish this car I won't be polishing it.". Which he didn't seem to happy with. So, instead of arguing with me on that he decided to try to get me to take care of the cloudy headlights. So, to be fair and not to cause any issues (again not my account) I took care of the headlights at no additional charge. But left the car un-polished.



It actually really got to me cause I spent a good amount of time just trying to get the paint clean! Hard work just goes unnoticed in dealerships. As I said before it's about quantity and not quality.
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In all fairness, detailers don't have to take their work right? It's up to you as a business owner to know your costs and profit margins and only take work that you can be profitable doing. Dealerships only get away with it because there are a lot of really stupid people in the "detailing" industry that will play right into their hands. Dealers in my city have pushed recondition pricing back into the same price range it was back in the 1990's in the last year despite MASSIVE price increases for everything over the last 8-10 years here (most notably the highest minimum wage in North America). Think I'm taking that work? We actually raised our prices this spring and none of the dealer accounts that are great accounts batted an eye. We did lose one account to a low baller over it but in the end losing that low end account hasn't affected our sales one bit. We have set sales records every single month this year since May regardless. It's up to you to know your business and know what work you want and ultimately that will be far more trouble than it's worth. Far too many guys get caught in the trap of trying to stay busy as opposed to staying profitable.
 
ShineShop said:
In all fairness, detailers don't have to take their work right? It's up to you as a business owner to know your costs and profit margins and only take work that you can be profitable doing. Dealerships only get away with it because there are a lot of really stupid people in the "detailing" industry that will play right into their hands. Dealers in my city have pushed recondition pricing back into the same price range it was back in the 1990's in the last year despite MASSIVE price increases for everything over the last 8-10 years here (most notably the highest minimum wage in North America). Think I'm taking that work? We actually raised our prices this spring and none of the dealer accounts that are great accounts batted an eye. We did lose one account to a low baller over it but in the end losing that low end account hasn't affected our sales one bit. We have set sales records every single month this year since May regardless. It's up to you to know your business and know what work you want and ultimately that will be far more trouble than it's worth. Far too many guys get caught in the trap of trying to stay busy as opposed to staying profitable.
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Great points and your right.
 
Hello Mr. Suggs:|

I asked you on several of your you tube videos why you never folded your clay. I asked you if you used a spur to clean your buffing pad with. I asked you if you ever changed out your pad with a clean one. You never seem to mention these in your video's. When I would go back to see if you had replied to the comments that I posted to you asking you such questions my comments were usually deleted.
 
LOL, you guys have to check out his most recent posts on a few others you tube pages...rasky's and mine...what a joke! To say this guy is a professional in any sense of the word is something to laugh at! Of course, he will probably remove those comments just like he did on his own videos where everyone was calling him out...too funny!



Jeff, next time you are in the so cal area, I would love to have you "show me" how to polish a hood, seriously!

Here is a perfect example showing you have no idea what you are talking about (your own video with commentary:

jeffsuggs's Channel - YouTube



all you have to do is watch the first few minutes:

"when you apply the BC2 by hand first, you remove the majority of the swirls" BWAHAHAAHAHA



oh yeah, you can see the window cowl where you hit it with the wool pad and stained it...what a joke
 
I see he's resorting to leaving comments about moms and girlfriends. I guess his well of originality ran dry pretty quick.
 
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