I would agree, he's not aiming for the perfect finish like everyone here. Watching that video of the red Ford truck, I could see the swirls in the hood when the lights hit it after he did the wool pass. I'm assuming the next step after that was the wax that was finished with. And for 95% of the population, his methods are probably going to give expected results for his customers. The paint probably isn't any more swirled/scratched than before he touched it. All they are concerned with is removing the over spray.
Car Dealership Detailing In Action!
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safetyman2010
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Grimm said:
It's always a complaint I have with overspray jobs is a majority of the cars are in brutal shape to begin with and there is no way you can just fix the overspray without having to fix preexisting problems to have it turn out acceptable. This summer we did an 8 car overspray job and I was fuming that one of the cars was a mid 1990's Ford Escort that was absolutely covered in tree sap, hammered with fallout and probably hadn't been washed in 10 years and the guy was bitching about the overspray. Impossible to correct the overspray without fixing the other problems as well.
Jeff Suggs
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My latest work Paint Overspray Removal International Services "black Volvo XC90 repaired from epoxy overspray" on Vimeo Grimm check the trucks pre-existing report, the hood was attempted to be cleaned by the dealership paint and body grew. They wet sanded part of the hood before I started repairs. That was not swirls it was their wet sanding marks. I am not going to burn someone's hood trying to fix the body shops mistakes. Check out these rides that i repaired from overspray damaged valued at over $45 million dollars. Now these rides got the works. jeffsuggs's Channel - YouTube
Envious Eric
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you know whats funny through all of this drama crap, his website and youtube channel are getting more and more hits from everyone looking at it, so in retro-spec, we are helping him get more business...Maybe I should start telling everyone my own stuff sucks and have 10000 people click on my website link and it will get bumped up in the google rankings...lol
mikenap
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One thing that's not so funny are the comments Jeff has made on his youtube channel to other users, including you Eric.
Jeff, I realize that you're defending yourself and you have every right to do so. But the comments you've replied to others on your Youtube channel are crude and vulgar. If this was just an everyday, Joe Blow Youtube channel it wouldn't be an issue, use whatever language you like especially if you feel you're being attacked. But since you stress that these videos are for your clients, many of them might be turned off by some of the comments you've made, in particular about sisters, girlfriends, wives and mothers. Even though you and I have disagreed on a few things, this IS your livelihood and I'd hate to see you lose any business because of those comments. Don't forget, when ANYONE goes to your channel, including people looking to hire you, those comments are there for the world to see.
Also, having nothing but pictures of underage, emo girls as your youtube friends sends a bad message too. BTW, you know those are all fake pics, right? Find me one teenage girl that cares about car overspray, much less 200.
Jeff, I realize that you're defending yourself and you have every right to do so. But the comments you've replied to others on your Youtube channel are crude and vulgar. If this was just an everyday, Joe Blow Youtube channel it wouldn't be an issue, use whatever language you like especially if you feel you're being attacked. But since you stress that these videos are for your clients, many of them might be turned off by some of the comments you've made, in particular about sisters, girlfriends, wives and mothers. Even though you and I have disagreed on a few things, this IS your livelihood and I'd hate to see you lose any business because of those comments. Don't forget, when ANYONE goes to your channel, including people looking to hire you, those comments are there for the world to see.
Also, having nothing but pictures of underage, emo girls as your youtube friends sends a bad message too. BTW, you know those are all fake pics, right? Find me one teenage girl that cares about car overspray, much less 200.
C. Charles Hahn
CCH Auto Appearance, LLC
mikenap said:
We seriously need to just ban the clown from Autopia -- all he's doing is attacking people and not listening or replying to the specific constructive criticisms and feedback he's being given. And what's worse is all of that is starting to spill out into other threads.
And you're absolutely right, the rude/crude/vulgar/immature and extremely disrespectful comments he's using on YouTube channels is appalling and about as unprofessional as you can get. I don't care who is attacking you or how, there's no excuse for that behavior in response. This isn't the third grade, so we can all at least try to have a little bit of class.
Jngrbrdman
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Shiny Lil Detlr said:
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Did you read what Jeff said? None of us have ever posted any videos on youtube about CORRECTLY caring for the paint, so we aren't anywhere near his league. He methods are a mystery to us because we just aren't at his level. Maybe someday when someone out there decides to post videos about properly detailing a car then we will have some ground to stand on, but until then we are just a bunch of bumbling idiots scuffing paint with our clay and misusing buffers by not burning the paint with them. Someone point me to Jeff's message board with tens of thousands of users and over a decade worth of knowledge posted to it so I can learn from the master since we clearly have nothing of value here.
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imported_Automania1
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Jngrbrdman said:
By now you should all recognize that you cannot change his opinion.
It might be a good idea to change the discussion to "marketing overspray removal successfully" and "other methods of removng overspray without a high speed buffer and wool pad"
Jeff Suggs
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jeffsuggs's Channel - YouTube I have a great way to polish rims that have never been polished before. Check out the video first, to see if you like the work. The rims are featured at the end of the video. My comments in the beginning of the video have nothing to do with people that do detail work, I am talking about the other overspray companies. The rims in this video are damaged with iron duct from a steel plant overspray release. The rims were never polished when they were new. They are actually very cheap rims. Anyway it is a great way to dress up a customer's ride. Then throw in restoring the vehicles trim and molding pieces as I demonstrate in my custom door package. This is a great way to give your ride a custom look without repainting or replacing parts. [video=vimeo;30162464]http://vimeo.com/30162464[/video]
mikenap
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Shiny Lil Detlr said:
I agree with you Charlie. I think how someone handles criticism shows a lot about their character, and the comments he's made do reflect on him. At the same time, I'm feeling a little bad that we piled on him as hard as we did. I think most of us here have never felt that much animosity aimed our way all at once, so while I personally wouldn't resort to crude sexual insults (I'd like to think I'm a little more clever...), I can understand why someone would get defensive at least.
Barry Theal
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Jeff,
Do you charge for your polished trim pieces? I need to add this to my detaling treatments. This has got to be the coolest thing I have ever seen. Polished moldings and plastic door handles. Talk about saving money on dressing. Have you ever tried to polish tires? I ca't wait to get into my shop tomarrow.
Barry:bigups
Do you charge for your polished trim pieces? I need to add this to my detaling treatments. This has got to be the coolest thing I have ever seen. Polished moldings and plastic door handles. Talk about saving money on dressing. Have you ever tried to polish tires? I ca't wait to get into my shop tomarrow.
Barry:bigups
Jeff Suggs
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jeffsuggs's Channel - YouTube Hard water stain removal videos. Making comments is not what everyone did. First they all called me a hack, and everything other negative comment they could think of. Then your buddies started making fake Youtube accounts to slander me and my work. I only started saying those things hoping that just one of those scared little boys would at least show his face. The girls on my Youtube account are not real friends guys, they repeatedly sent friends request till I confirmed them. Now on my Facebook the Russian, Japan, China, and those girls from Dubai, are my friends.
The reason everyone has been treating me with so little respect is that sometimes when you see something you can't do or figure out how is being done , you deny it. What you all can't deny is the results of my work. I can show anyone how I am doing these things, but you can't start off by calling me a hack. If anyone on this site can do the same repairs then I would have seen it on the net somewhere. The videos are one of a kind, if there are no others like them. No one has ever posted a video of auto trim and molding repair textured or smooth. These are things that I have had to learn in order to remove overspray from every piece of the vehicle. Everyone should speak to everyone else like they want to be spoken to. [video=vimeo;32890772]http://vimeo.com/32890772[/video]
The reason everyone has been treating me with so little respect is that sometimes when you see something you can't do or figure out how is being done , you deny it. What you all can't deny is the results of my work. I can show anyone how I am doing these things, but you can't start off by calling me a hack. If anyone on this site can do the same repairs then I would have seen it on the net somewhere. The videos are one of a kind, if there are no others like them. No one has ever posted a video of auto trim and molding repair textured or smooth. These are things that I have had to learn in order to remove overspray from every piece of the vehicle. Everyone should speak to everyone else like they want to be spoken to. [video=vimeo;32890772]http://vimeo.com/32890772[/video]
Jeff Suggs
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Scooby24 do you even know how the clay works. It has to mill the overspray off layer by layer. If it did not work in this way, it would scuff the paint even worse than it already does. I have not just clayed a few cars a week as they come in the shop. I repair over 500 vehicles a year. I have clayed thousands of vehicles. Try sometime claying through your favorite wax and see how it works for you. Just a little of ivory dish washing liquid in a spray bottle and start claying. You will not hear the noise that you normally hear when using the clay bar.
Jeff Suggs
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jeffsuggs's Channel - YouTube Harley Davidson repaired from overspray damage and scratches. I do charge for for rims restoration. It takes about 45 minutes a rim. This is a 3 step process to get the rims to the point of the ones in my video. I first have to remove the iron dust. I get some acid for this process and steel wool #0000 grade only. I use the acid with the steel wool to remove the iron dust. I then used BC-2 believe or not. It takes a little longer but is much safer than a compound. If you can remove the rim from the vehicle, you can do a better job. You can only do this with a wool pad, not a foam pad of any grade. This video demonstrate how I polish fire truck lens and lights. You can go to your local fire department and repair their fire truck lens and lights. To replace these parts of the vehicles is not cheap. To restore these parts is a much better deal for them.
maxepr1
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The trim on that GMC is not supposed to be shiny? Matte black rubber, not shiny rubber.
C. Charles Hahn
CCH Auto Appearance, LLC
mikenap said:
Some of us have been pretty hard on him, sure, but I think there's a certain degree of legitimacy to the concerns being expressed too. We could (or should) have addressed those concerns in a bit "kinder" manner, though whether or not a different approach would have gotten through to him and elicited a different response I have my doubts.
Jeff Suggs said:
Here's the thing though, Jeff: If you weren't making those kind of comments in your videos and stooping to the extraordinarily low level you have in some of your YouTube feedback, you would not be attracting so much negative attention onto yourself.
Barry Theal said:
Man, I hope you're being sarcastic Barry...
Jeff Suggs said:
You keep making that claim.... where's your proof?
I don't think anyone here is denying what you are doing, we're just pointing out the parts of your process that we as detailers know can either cause damage to a vehicle or simply are inaccurately explained in your videos.
Typically speaking, do you practice what you preach in that regard? It's a two way street -- just because someone speaks to you in a way you don't want to be spoken to, doesn't mean you HAVE to respond in kind or worse. You could always choose to take the high road and let those individuals make themselves look bad, but instead you decided it would be better to sling mud, which makes YOU look bad.
Jeff Suggs said:
Here's a bit of information sourced from the vendor Autogeek about detailing clay. You might want to give it a look:
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You see, the CLAY doe not scuff paint; the contaminants being pulled onto the clay bar scuff paint if the clay is not cleaned or kneaded frequently during the process.
imported_DetailDan
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As you said, polishing trim is nothing new to detailing guys. I've been doing it for years, although not quite like that. But I think it's great that you're doing things other overspray companies aren't. EVERYONE always has room for improvement.
Jeff Suggs said:
I certainly do....It picks up contamination. In the event of stubborn contamination, it removes it layer by layer. It's not breaking down the consistency of said contamination or making it "creamy" and it's certainly not evaporating it into a liquid, what ever the hell that is supposed to mean. You have NO idea what you're talking about. You've found a few techniques that work (not safely, but they remove contamination), but you have no idea how to properly describe what you're doing. You just babble on and on about like you know what you're talking about, but you haven't the faintest clue.