California ARB Response for AIO Discontinuation

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jasonmac

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Here's the response I got from the California Air Resources Board regarding AIO. Does anyone have the AIO MSDS and can interpret this?



I have the full ARB regulation (138Kb) as a PDF if you want it.



Good Morning Mr. MacDonald,



I am not familiar with the product you address in your email. However, after 1/1/2005, products that meet the "Rubber & Vinyl Protectant" definition as defined in section 94509(a) of the Consumer Products Regulation are subject to a VOC limit of 10 % by weight. If the product in question has a VOC content greater than 10% it is in violation, and should not be sold in California.



Section 94509(c) contains a "sell through provision" which allows products manufactured prior to the effective date of a VOC limit to be sold in California for up to 3 years. Products utilizing the sell through provision are required to display the date of manufacture or a date code. Products are required to display this date stamp for at least 1 year prior to 1/1//05 in order to take advantage of this sell through.



I've linked the web site to the regulation for reference.



Hope this helps,



Nicholas Berger
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But does AIO contain more than 10% VOC's? Also this is in California, doesnt apply to the rest of the country (yet anyways).
 
Well, hopefully it'll still be around for another three years, at least that's what I'm reading into this...
 
LightngSVT said:
But does AIO contain more than 10% VOC's? Also this is in California, doesnt apply to the rest of the country (yet anyways).
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That's why I wanted to see if the MSDS had anything on it -- there's still hope!
 
ChippsAChoi said:
Kind of a stupid questions but what is VOC?
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A; Volatile organic chemical (VOC)



There is only one "stupid question" that's the one that's not asked.



JonM
 
i do know that other states adopts California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulations when it comes to automobile modifications that can change emissions from a car. but would other states also adopt CARB's VOC regulations as well? maybe even the EPA? if not, could it be possible that AIO cannot be sold in California and other states that would adopt this CARB VOC regulation?
 
^ I believe that's the whole reason this possibility was brought up; there's been no definite answer either way.



I think some of the Klasse dealers would have been notified about selling it to California locations, so hopefully the VOC % is a non-issue with AIO.
 
I don't know, but that way I read that it seemed like places that sell Klasse AIO in California will have to stop. Not those in other states. Also, it says NOTHING about the importing (state-wise) of it, so even someone in California could get it as long as they buy it elsewhere. Just seems like you can't sell Klasse in California. But I am by no means a legal-eagle.



Shoot, as long as Tampa, FL doesn't adopt that code, I'm good... CMA all the way :xyxthumbs
 
Some guy in Cali actually imports the Klasse products for redistribution in the USA. No one has ever found a website for it as yet. The information is not on the label?



Can't be sold in California means just that and it would apply to both brick and motar stores as well as on-line vendors
 
I agree with MorBid. Unless you drive outside of CA and buy in, lets say AZ, thats the only way you can get it. Vendors, whether online or in an actual building are not permitted to sell within CA. Some online vendors already have a "disclaimer" saying that a product that exceeds the VOC % will not be shipped to CA.
 
SpoiledMan said:
What online vendors do you speak of? It's not illegal to sell it in Cali until 1/1/2008.
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That's IF all this stuff about exceeding VOC is true, right? No one has definitively said whether or not AIO will be gone or not afaik.
 
I am not familiar with the product you address in your email.
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Nicholas Berger is not familiar with Klasse products so he did not discuss them directly.



However, after 1/1/2005, products that meet the "Rubber & Vinyl Protectant" definition as defined in section 94509(a) of the Consumer Products Regulation are subject to a VOC limit of 10 % by weight. If the product in question has a VOC content greater than 10% it is in violation, and should not be sold in California.
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Does anyone have the definition of a "Rubber & Vinyl Protectant"? Seems to me that while some of us use Klasse on rubber and vinyl, it is not actually intended for that use nor does it say anywhere in literature or the packaging that can be (that I know of).



Honestly, unless you guys have read something that I have not, or I am just less willing to read between the lines, there is no conclusion as to if Klasse products are VOC compliant and can be sold in California and states that adopt the same regulations. Where in Nicholas Beger's response was Klasse ever directly mentioned? It wasn't...he said he was not familiar with the product.



Stop reading between the lines and assuming!
 
jasonmac, I was responding to this:



GDA4 said:
I agree with MorBid. Unless you drive outside of CA and buy in, lets say AZ, thats the only way you can get it. Vendors, whether online or in an actual building are not permitted to sell within CA. Some online vendors already have a "disclaimer" saying that a product that exceeds the VOC % will not be shipped to CA.
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What I'm saying is that they could have manufactured all the product they want until 12/31/04 and still sell the same product into CA until 12/31/07 but not after. It IS NOT illegal to sell the products into CA at this point but is to manufacture them if they are not compliant. I'm NOT stating that the product isn't VOC compliant.
 
Okay, I see, I thought it wouldn't be able to be sold regardless (after 12/31/2007). It's a moot point then since it's made in Germany?
 
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