Brand Loyalty

wannafbody said:
Megs probably has the most complete product line. Zaino probably has the most user loyalty
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I agree with your statement for the most part, but would add that there are certainly lots of very loyal Megs users. Also, I would say Zaino has the most fanatical users to me that's a stronger word than loyal.



Personally, I feel trying new products is half the fun. I don't know why anyone would limit themselves to one brand. When I think of my favorite products they're all from different brands. For instance . . .



My favorite waxes are Zymol

My favorite polishes are Menzerna

My favorite pads are Edge 2000

My favorite sealant is Wolfgang

My favorite car wash soap is Poorboy's

My favorite degreaser is Megs Safe D-Greaser

My favorite vinyl/rubber/plastic dressing is DP Interior Surface Protectant

My favorite glass cleaner is Sprayway



I can completely understand though why a professional detailer would want all products from the same line though. It saves shipping costs and dealing with one product rep is much easier than multiple reps.
 
deadlock32 said:
if you do find people that stick to one brand the majority will either be



A) Meguiars people

B) Zaino people
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Mequiars - yes, probably due to their brand awareness.



Zaino - probably not. I don't feel they offer an extensive line of products like some of the big manufacturers. You couldn't operate a detail shop and use just Zaino products.
 
I really mix it up when I detail, but if I had to choose one line and make it work... I could probably get by with the Poorboys line, or the Optimum line. I've been growing more and more fond of the Optimum line as of late.
 
David Fermani said:
Mequiars - yes, probably due to their brand awareness.



Zaino - probably not. I don't feel they offer an extensive line of products like some of the big manufacturers. You couldn't operate a detail shop and use just Zaino products.
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Zaino isn't designed for a bulk use customer base-even tho some use it for pro detailing. It's designed for the niche high end show car/enthuiast market. For a pro detailer the Duragloss, Megs and bulk producers are better choices.
 
wannafbody said:
Zaino isn't designed for a bulk use customer base-even tho some use it for pro detailing. It's designed for the niche high end show car/enthuiast market. For a pro detailer the Duragloss, Megs and bulk producers are better choices.
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I go too a lot of high shows with my cars and have never seen Zaino and I have only seen a couple of cans of PS. Megs dominates with some mothers at high end street rod shows that I have gone to. I went to the Midwest Nationals and walk around looking in the detail buckets looks like there was at least one Megs product in every bucket. I’m not a big Megs fan but they do sell some products and they do dominate the car shows that I go to!!!
 
wannafbody said:
Zaino isn't designed for a bulk use customer base-even tho some use it for pro detailing. It's designed for the niche high end show car/enthuiast market. For a pro detailer the Duragloss, Megs and bulk producers are better choices.
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Duragloss, like Zaino, seem more for a detailer interested in maintaining their vehicle. Other companies like Auto Magic & Megs are more reconditioning oriented. For example, Auto Magic offers everything from razor blades, brushes and pad centering tools to sand paper, compound and buffing pads. Very diverse and great quality. They offer multiple uses for each type of product. Multiple kinds of compounds, polishes and waxes as well as cleaners, soaps and dressings for different applications.



Some novice and pro detailers could have multiple brands in their stable of products, but if you had to be completely self sufficient and relient totally on just one single company for all your detailing needs, there are really just a few to serve you.
 
I really like Zaino, purely for performance. I spent the last three years trying dozens of carnauba waxes and sealants and I find Z-2Pro with ZFX works best on my car and Z-16 Pro is the best tire product. I use the best possible products since detailing is such an inexpensive hobby.



I also use P21S for wheel cleaning, Wolfgang for interior treatments, 1Z for a wide variety of things, etc. but I think there are factors that engender loyalty and Zaino has these:



1. Good product performance.

2. Consistent excellence across the line.

3. Innovation which I think Z-8 is a good example of.

4. Superb qualithy control.



Sal is one living detailing genius. I always want to know what he is doing next.
 
David Fermani said:
Duragloss, like Zaino, seem more for a detailer interested in maintaining their vehicle. Other companies like Auto Magic & Megs are more reconditioning oriented. For example, Auto Magic offers everything from razor blades, brushes and pad centering tools to sand paper, compound and buffing pads. Very diverse and great quality. They offer multiple uses for each type of product. Multiple kinds of compounds, polishes and waxes as well as cleaners, soaps and dressings for different applications.



Some novice and pro detailers could have multiple brands in their stable of products, but if you had to be completely self sufficient and relient totally on just one single company for all your detailing needs, there are really just a few to serve you.
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I agree with what you're saying BUT if I was a pro detailer I'd buy my sealant direct from Duragloss in bulk. It takes multiple washes with Fantastick or Dawn(both contain alkyl) to kill the beading. Not saying they are bad products but I doubt the Automagic sealants are as durable.
 
There are product lines I prefer, like Clearkote, Optimum, Werkstatt and Meguiars but I use products from other companies as well. I don't think any company has the absolute best product for every need I have-or they may not have the product I need at all.
 
So many differnt brands, so many different finishes, so many different paint conditions! New to the world of the PC (not quite ready for a rotary yet), My buddy and I were overwhelemed by the sheer vastness of products avalible. We wanted to stick with mainly one brand, so I gave Adams Polishes a shot, and he went with Zaino. We bought the entire system of each maker, PC and all. So far, I am verry happy with the results I have been able to produce - but both my friend and I are working with new vehicle finishes. I had the oppertunity to sample some of automagics line on a vechile that really needed help, and was equally impressed. I placed an order that same day for some of their product. Granted I am no professional detailer, and am new to this form - so my 2 cents goes down like this - I would say the biggest aid to purchasing products, especially now that I am a member of this site- are the intelligent oppinions and healthy discussions of people and products here. My buddy and I are almost out of our paint products, and we will both be trying different brands on our next order. Those decisions will be based on more research, and advice form the many fellow detailers here.
 
Hmmmm for me:



Polishes: Meg's ...cuz I started out with their pro-line products and it was one of their tech reps that taught me alot about the science of their products and his line of work testing OEM paints for Barry Meguiar, also Barry is very passionate about his products and love of cars ...yer so #80, #82 and #83 are my old stand bys when everything else fails. I have started using OP which I like mostly for my rotary work and Meg's for PC which breaks down faster.



LSP: Defintely Collinite 845IW and 476S, not too expensive and lasts as long as any LSP can with up to the snuff looks. Meg's #16 and NXT is next on my list and OCW for quickies.
 
SilverLexus said:
You are not missing anything. It's decent stuff but nowhere near the good boutiques.
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Could you explain this further? How are "boutique" detailing supplies better than Auto Magic. I'd beg to differ. I'll bet in sake of comparison, that the end product of a reconditioning I could produce with Auto Magic, is equivant(if not better) than a "boutique" created one. Just because they mass market themselves to high volume applications doen't make them inferior or bad products. Price doen't mean anything either.
 
wannafbody said:
Not saying they are bad products but I doubt the Automagic sealants are as durable.
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You should try their private labeled Tefon Paint Sealant(R-2000) that comes from Dupont. I bet you'd change your opinion. It's mostly sold to their paint protection application centers.
 
David Fermani said:
You should try their private labeled Tefon Paint Sealant(R-2000) that comes from Dupont. I bet you'd change your opinion. It's mostly sold to their paint protection application centers.
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Has nothing to do with the Teflon® though.



Honestly, as soon as I see a company perpetuating the "Teflon® is a good thing in wax myth" I really don't want to use any of their products because I consider them to be misleading people.



If it works for you, keep on using it but whatever the durability is, it has nothing to do with Teflon®.



I do agree with your overall point that if you do proper prep, most products will give excellent results.
 
Scottwax said:
Has nothing to do with the Teflon® though.



Honestly, as soon as I see a company perpetuating the "Teflon® is a good thing in wax myth" I really don't want to use any of their products because I consider them to be misleading people.



If it works for you, keep on using it but whatever the durability is, it has nothing to do with Teflon®.



I do agree with your overall point that if you do proper prep, most products will give excellent results.
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Dupont has been pushing the "Teflon" thing for years. It use to be everywhere(not just in car care products), but has slowly settled down.



Thanks for agreeing with me on the prep/results aspect.
 
David Fermani said:
You should try their private labeled Tefon Paint Sealant(R-2000) that comes from Dupont. I bet you'd change your opinion. It's mostly sold to their paint protection application centers.
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If it works for you, is durable and your customers are happy then keep using it. DuPont products are probably pretty good quality. I'm guessing they don't sell much of the R-2000 as they don't have it listed on their site.
 
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