TiredNGrouchy
New member
So I guess the new Zaino products are the hot topic now, but I noticed that Blackfire has come out with a carnauba+synthetic paste wax which is recommended for use over their Wet Diamond sealant. Anyone planning to try it?
Blackfire's new wax
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CalgaryDetail
Mike
Im planning on trying it when i have the money. It looks intresting, i am always trying new waxes and this is no diffrent. Once the credit car is paid off (which should be soon, its no longer maxed). i will order some, along with a few others... such as worlds best wax, i found it while doing a search. They appear to be canadian, and it seams tobe a hand applied product... but those two are the ones at the top of my list.
GearHead_1
Long Time Member
It does look pretty interesting. It's real claim to fame here is that it goes over sealants without streaking or other problems. Some of the initial advertising on it was placing it head to head with Souveran (this advertising has since been removed from the add copy). So when comparing those two waxes my only thought here is that to this point I haven't had those problems when I use Souveran over a sealant. From a cost only perspective the new wax comes in at $10 more per tub with one less ounce in the container. The cost doesn't necessarily stop here however, in order to get all you can get out of it they recommend a couple of other products to go along with it. If I'm going to review it fairly I'll have to purchase the system. I have no BlackFire products at the present time. I'm sure I'll try it but I'll also likely wait until I see it on sale.
CalgaryDetail
Mike
GearHead_1 said:
If you want to try the other products then there is always the blackfire kit, (BLACKFIRE Wet-Ice over Fire Shine Kit) it seams to come with everything you need.
And to be honset i think the true test of a wax is how good it looks by itself, as well as how good it looks over a sealent. I myelf am not a sealent man however there are many people who are. Although i dont think many people have problems with streaking over a sealnt, it is a good advertising point. People who dont know a ton about detailing may start to worry and purches. Seams like a good marketing strategy. JMHO take it as it is
I would have bet that Calgary would be trying it and he has already posted that he will.
I dont think I have tried that many waxes, there are many on the makret i still need to try. I dont know if ill ever get to them all :surrender . Maybe ill start a thread of waxes i should try.. lol jk, thats a waste of space.
The reason i personaly want to try it is becasue its a new luxury wax. I like luxry waxes better in general. i like the look better, i like the feel and i like the application (in general i am making some large assumptions) this one is no diffrent. I dont want to try waxes like collinte, just not what im into.. im a wax snob.. ok really im a luxery wax collector (now im not an addict i have a cool name). I dunno just my random thoughts.
sorry to jack the thread
-mike
rabbi
The Whaler Loves Detail City
Maybe some day I'll purchase it but right now I have no interest.
pt91
New member
I got it as a gift and have it on my wife's MINI as a test . 1/2 hood with souveran and 1/2 with wet diamond. They are over a base coat of FMJ/HGAS. I can't see any diference so we will see what happens over time with no QDs.
Deanski
STUTTGART'S FINEST
Interesting wax that has some additional polymers or whatever they also added to it.
It's an old trick quite a few of us have done and still do.
Interesting that's for sure. I used to do EX and switched between Souveran and Nattys. Did a side-by-side test at one Poorboys Detail Day, and only one person could tell the difference and why. Sure looked good on the red Lexus SC430 I had previously. Maintained with Final Detail or whatever it was then since it was wax. Cleaning done with PB S&W, then a QD to freshen the wax a bit.
Still, maybe sealants will start coming in paste form in the future to make those so used to waxing with a paste try it and use it as opposed to a normal wax.
BTW, glad to be back:howdy
Regards,
Deanski
It's an old trick quite a few of us have done and still do.
Interesting that's for sure. I used to do EX and switched between Souveran and Nattys. Did a side-by-side test at one Poorboys Detail Day, and only one person could tell the difference and why. Sure looked good on the red Lexus SC430 I had previously. Maintained with Final Detail or whatever it was then since it was wax. Cleaning done with PB S&W, then a QD to freshen the wax a bit.
Still, maybe sealants will start coming in paste form in the future to make those so used to waxing with a paste try it and use it as opposed to a normal wax.
BTW, glad to be back:howdy
Regards,
Deanski
DieselMDX
New member
Deanski said:
welcome back D
CalgaryDetail
Mike
Deanski said:
welcome back,
And would this not be similar to the idea of NXT, from what I have heard its more of a sealent then a wax. Do you feel black fire is trying to trap both this market and those addicted to luxry waxes (such as myself):surrender
Deanski
STUTTGART'S FINEST
You know, never thought about the NXT side of things, you could be correct.
Maybe it's going to filter into those that still love the feel of applying a paste wax from a jar. Still, high-end waxes will always sell. Even though the main ingredient is the same, it's what else they use for binding and for high gloss. Some add bees wax as well. But all will have some type of oils or silicone in it to get that wet look that everyone pretty much likes, it's just the dirt it attracts. When the finish heats up, some waxes really start to deteriorate, not so much the wax, but the agents used in the wax formula. You could almost see the oil/silicone starting to migrate up and float. Feel a finish when it was just waxed by a really good wax, then sit it in the sun and go and feel it again and you'll "feel what I mean".
It does seem more and more waxes are including some type of sealant in the formula so it stays on longer, beads longer, less dirt etc.
Going to the extreme of hand application (wax in your palm) is a bit much. I've done it, don't care for it and always use some applicator anyway. Besides, how do explain the mess in your palm to your girlfriend/wife or your friend who comes over to borrow a tool and you have that "stuff" in your palm? :stick
Give it time, soon all waxes will have some type of chemical as opposed to the natural Zymol high-end waxes, which I had all of them at one point. Nice stuff, but honestly could not see paying for it, no matter how hard Chuck tried to convince me.
Regards,
Deanski
Maybe it's going to filter into those that still love the feel of applying a paste wax from a jar. Still, high-end waxes will always sell. Even though the main ingredient is the same, it's what else they use for binding and for high gloss. Some add bees wax as well. But all will have some type of oils or silicone in it to get that wet look that everyone pretty much likes, it's just the dirt it attracts. When the finish heats up, some waxes really start to deteriorate, not so much the wax, but the agents used in the wax formula. You could almost see the oil/silicone starting to migrate up and float. Feel a finish when it was just waxed by a really good wax, then sit it in the sun and go and feel it again and you'll "feel what I mean".
It does seem more and more waxes are including some type of sealant in the formula so it stays on longer, beads longer, less dirt etc.
Going to the extreme of hand application (wax in your palm) is a bit much. I've done it, don't care for it and always use some applicator anyway. Besides, how do explain the mess in your palm to your girlfriend/wife or your friend who comes over to borrow a tool and you have that "stuff" in your palm? :stick
Give it time, soon all waxes will have some type of chemical as opposed to the natural Zymol high-end waxes, which I had all of them at one point. Nice stuff, but honestly could not see paying for it, no matter how hard Chuck tried to convince me.
Regards,
Deanski
black bart
New member
Duragloss makes a sealant that is a paste in a metal can.Deanski said:
I have not used it so can not say as to how it compares to 105.
black bart said:
Actually it's more like a pudding then a paste, but it seems to work OK. The can is plastic, and mine came with a small foam applicator inside. There is a small plastic insert in the can to seperate the wax from the applicator. I still prefer a carnauba with an Aquawax topping, and in my opinion 105 is easier to use, and looks much better then the Duragloss Paste Wax.
Sorry about taking this thread off topic.
I just received my shipment today and used this new wax over FMJ on my medium blue F150. It is a very easy wax to use. Very much like zymol or souveran in that you wipe it off before it dries. It has a thinner consistency than souveran, I would not think this is simply repackaged. While it is hard to make quantum leaps in appearance on a well cared for finish, the gloss and wetness were outstanding. It is much less sterile than the FMJ gloss alone. Very slick. My wife commented on the look without prompting - very unusual. I will apply the second coat as they suggest and see how it does over the next two winter months. Just as an aside, the red applicators from Properautocare are excellent, thick enough to hold but with large cells so they hold the wax. It allows you to apply a really thin coat without having to constantly go back to the jar. There is always something new to peak my detailing interest.
jaybs02
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Glenn any pics? Oh and Welcome to DC.
I be curious to hear also how long it holds up for you
"J"
I be curious to hear also how long it holds up for you
"J"
Flish
New member
Here's a few shots of Blackfire's sealant with there wax on top.
2-coats of Blackfire sealant @ 8-12 hour cure
3-coats of blackfire's new wax @ 8-12 hour cure
2-coats of Blackfire sealant @ 8-12 hour cure
3-coats of blackfire's new wax @ 8-12 hour cure