Autopia.......LIARS!!!!!....????

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ca8680

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Well today was the first time i got to use my brand new hitachi HS Buffer. I jumped on it rather then using my also brand new PC (I'm a noob on the HS buffer and the PC) And i am amazed on how well i did. I only burned the paint twice (yes twice....LOL) but it was on the plastic panel on the lower part of a grand cherokee and it was because i just stayed in one place to long after those two it never happened again i saw what i was douing wrong (also its not a customer it's my uncles truck.)



So i'm a chemical guys fan-boy, well i feel like it. Thats all i used and all i have in my arsenal and i am happy with their products (even more happy that they're 30 mins away.)

I only used the 2000 grit bodyshop light compound which is comparable to a polish. I skiped the whole compound part because it was a white vehicle that didnt have much oxidation only light scuffs and scrathes that were removed by my orange pad from the edge 2000 system(i went with the edge system for my pc and HS buffer......6.5 and 8.0 KIT).



Heres a question?? i was'nt able to remove the swirls after polishing with the orange pad.



I didnt make any buffer trails which i am happy and i did manage to get a brilliant shine from the white, but the swirls where what got me. Do you think its because i did'nt polish it over but this time with a finishing pad like the white or blue edge pad? the sun didnt let me use this cause it got late. I started at 12 PM and finished at 7PM (pretty good for my first complete detail.)



Well thank you to the whole AUTOPIA Family

:bow :bow

without you i would be lost and not know anything and nothing.......



Oh..... and the title i put it like that because i didnt find it hard polishing the car(Everyone says a HighSpeed buffer is a paint killer and a beast) Not true, or maybe i got my dads skills since he use to detail cars for 15 years. He did'nt teach me cause i dont like him to tell me what to do all i needed was to know what not to do and the rest is easy(by the buffer post in this forum i got the skills and tricks what to and what not to do).



-Claudio
 
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ca8680 said:
And i am amazed on how well i did. I only burned the paint twice (yes twice....LOL)
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:laugh: only twice... ;)





Heres a question?? i was'nt able to remove the swirls after polishing with the orange pad.



I didnt make any buffer trails which i am happy and i did manage to get a brilliant shine from the white, but the swirls where what got me. Do you think its because i did'nt polish it over but this time with a finishing pad like the white or blue edge pad? the sun didnt let me use this cause it got late.
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I'm not sure if you mean that you weren't able to remove swirls that was already there, or if you put in new swirls that you couldn't remove?
 
You only burned the paint twice and think that is ok? Wow. As to not getting the swirls out, maybe they are deeper than you think and you may have to go after them with the compound.
 
What did you do so well again?

you burned the paint twice!,

you did not remove or added more swirles,

try a black car and show some pics

I bet there will be buffer trails and more swirles then!



I know this sounds harsh but, you need to learn the difference between being a hack

and doing a good job



I am sure that in time you will be good at detailing but now is not the time to brag



No, I am not perfect and everybody that has a rotary will burn the paint sooner or latter



P.S. none of my business but if my dad could have show me the the correct way to polish

I would jump on that in a heart beat... don't let you pride get in the way
 
Well guys, he is 17 with no experience even with a PC, so it is only twice when compared to how many times he could've burnt it. :chuckle: Heck, if my uncle was crazy enough to let me go with rotary on his car at 17 I would have done much worse than twice (unless it is beginner's luck). On the other hand, my uncle would never be that crazy no matter how much he loved me. I guess Claudio's uncle got what he asked for. :chuckle:



So, Claudio, here is a friendly advice: Lay off on the rotary and master your PC first. You don't jump in F1 without ever being behind any wheel. And if you still don't care and will be ignoring your PC I will take it off you for what Lowe's is selling them. Also, don't touch another car with a rotary until you have went through many black junk scrap panels with perfect results without a single issue. Last but far from least: Put on your humble hat and nicely ask your dad to teach you and pass on his experience to you. I would say that no Autopian should be helping you not communicate with him. I certainly will not. When I see you working with him as a team on same car then we will talk further.
 
I would second what is said above about getting scrap panels to practice the rotary techniques on... removing swilrs with a rotary is actually the easy bit, its the finishing down to a crystal sharp, hologram free LSP ready finish that takes the practice... How easy either of the above tasks are depends very much on the paintwork and the vehicle, softer paints are easy to rmeove marring from (and alas, easier to damage by striking through) but harder to get a true crystal sharp finish on in that it takes a lot of time and care. Harder finishes "let you away" with more in terms of difficulty to damage and are easier to get a crystal sharp finish on, but are harder to remove the defects from... Find yourself a range of scrap panels from the junk yard, and practice on a variety of paint types: dark colours are best for truly evaluating your finish.



If your dad has been detailing all this time and is a skilled detailer and skilled rotary user, then I would most certainly be getting him to give you lessons to pass on all of his knowledge, and more importantly his experience. Your dad will have learned so much from experience, and is in a fine position to pass a lot of very useful hints and tips on to you, I wouldn't ever pass up on that opportunity... I wish I had an experienced detailer in the family I could have been taught by, as it stands I taught myself using several scrap panels and sharing techniques and tips with fellow detailers. I also do machine polishing demo days for folks new to machine polishing that are local to me, and everyone always comments about how useful it is to see the machine used in front of them, and have hints and tips passed on. Serisously, speak to your dad - get him to teach you, he's an invaluable resource.



Finally, one thing to never forget as far as all aspects of detailing goes - you never stop learning! When I'm not working on cars, I am honing my techniques with new products and refining my methods and forever striving to improve on all aspects of my technique using a myriad of scrap panels I keep in my garden. Keep practising, keep learning.
 
You really need to learn how to use your PC FIRST.



From what it sounds like, your first time was a total failure.

1. you didnt remove any swirls

2. you burnt the paint....twice



I bet you did leave buffer trails but becuase it was a white vehicle and you didnt inspect it in the sun you probably couldnt see them.



Its funny you say that people who say HS buffing is a paint killer and they are wrong, yet you burned the paint....... twice.



You say you got your dads skills, yet you burnt the paint...twice and you didnt remove any swirls, what skills?



Your dad has been doing it for 15 years, yet you wont ask him for advice or let him give it? Thats....ummm, dumb. Of course ive talked to "detailers" who have been doing it for XX years and think that swirls are normal and cant be removed.



Not trying to be a jerk, im just shocked about someone being so happy and proud of burning paint and not removeing any imperfections.
 
^^ I've burnt through paint and been happy about it... I was doing a demonstration of the power of the rotary if used carelessly, and showed just what could happen if you didn't take enough care with the tool. On the scrap panel, it was good fun wining the Makita up to 3000rpm with a wool pads a cooking through to the metal with bits of paint and pad flying off in all directions! LOL... Not exactly constructinve for quality detailing though!
 
Unlike everyone here that always disses people and don't answer questions, good try and attempt at your first time. I'd step up to a heavier pad first, maybe Edge green pad and give that a whirl with the same light compound.
 
Thanks for all the negative feedback i think i should have kept it to myself......i felt happy because i removed the oxidation and scrathches that where there. They bought this car used so i was able to work on it with no worries and i left it nice but just some swirl marks that i left or where made who cares i am happy with what i did.......It was my first time using anything so im happy yall dont have to take it to much to the head...... i learned and am a little better off then from what i learned on that car thank you white green your the only that thinks a lil progress will make you better....i like to think that no one can be a professional there first try although some of you expect brilliant results from my first try......



IM HAPPY......Today my dad thought me a few things, like how to hold the machine and how to position your feet so your back wont hurt like it did yesterday......also how to actually remove things he last like 10 minutes compounding my trunk then 10 minutes polishing and i did learn from seeing someone else hold the machine.....



i think i will learn from him then.....
 
Whitethunder46 said:
Unlike everyone here that always disses people and don't answer questions, good try and attempt at your first time. I'd step up to a heavier pad first, maybe Edge green pad and give that a whirl with the same light compound.
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Yeah, I like folks that ask for advice (but are looking for a pat on the back) and then come back to report they didn't follow the advice and did great... like burning paint.
 
yakky said:
Yeah, I like folks that ask for advice (but are looking for a pat on the back) and then come back to report they didn't follow the advice and did great... like burning paint.
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its not your paint dont worry about that......i didnt come for a pat in the back where did you get this from......i did great in my eyes not in yours all that matters is what i learned who cares if i burned paint now i know what not to do......
 
yakky said:
Yeah, I like folks that ask for advice (but are looking for a pat on the back) and then come back to report they didn't follow the advice and did great... like burning paint.
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Why are you attacking me?



I just was trying to give the man a few compliments in the mist of all the negative feedback he was getting. I'm a newb to at a PC and I like to learn and detail cars for personal satisfaction. Not trying to impress everyone on an internet forum and get criticized like many were to him.



I then suggested stepping up to a slightly stronger pad. That is all
 
ca8680 said:
its not your paint dont worry about that......i didnt come for a pat in the back where did you get this from......i did great in my eyes not in yours all that matters is what i learned who cares if i burned paint now i know what not to do......
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I commend you for tackling the job, but at the same time your original post is worrisome. Some of the previous posters may sound a bit harsh but I think they are just looking out for you so you don't do too much damage. You really should have started with the PC first. It's like me deciding I want to be a plastic surgeon and decide to go straight to doing a surgury instead of doing the necessary stuff to learn.



"Sure, I left some scars from my bad slicing, and one boob is crooked, but hey I was able to complete the surgury and it was just some 50 year old woman and not a hot 22 year old."



OK, maybe that's a bit extreme, but I think you get my point.
 
Whitethunder46 said:
Why are you attacking me?



I just was trying to give the man a few compliments in the mist of all the negative feedback he was getting. I'm a newb to at a PC and I like to learn and detail cars for personal satisfaction. Not trying to impress everyone on an internet forum and get criticized like many were to him.



I then suggested stepping up to a slightly stronger pad. That is all
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I'm not attacking anyone... in november this guy posts for advice, he gets it, then proceeds to do otherwise.. his choice... then comes here and posts "Autopia....LIARS!!!!....????" And that is not supposed to rub anyone the wrong way?
 
He's 17 guys, give him a break and stop wasting your typing effort. Three years from now he'll look back and be embarrassed about this thread and all that he had to learn but he recognized his problems, that he burnt the paint and left swirls and I would hope that he continues to work on beaters that the owners don't care about until he perfects his skills.



This thread is beating a dead horse, like a lot of the threads on Autopia do.
 
Autoeng said:
This thread is beating a dead horse, like a lot of the threads on Autopia do.
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Haha, that's funny. I rarely come to this forum for that reason. Also, it seems a lot of people are way to critical when a newb is asking for advice.



And final note, about the "autopia... liars!" He said he titled it this because everyone told him using a rotary was very difficult and he was saying he found it pretty simple. Therefore, you all were liars. Jokingly of course.
 
Grimm said:
I commend you for tackling the job, but at the same time your original post is worrisome. Some of the previous posters may sound a bit harsh but I think they are just looking out for you so you don't do too much damage. You really should have started with the PC first. It's like me deciding I want to be a plastic surgeon and decide to go straight to doing a surgury instead of doing the necessary stuff to learn.



"Sure, I left some scars from my bad slicing, and one boob is crooked, but hey I was able to complete the surgury and it was just some 50 year old woman and not a hot 22 year old."



OK, maybe that's a bit extreme, but I think you get my point.
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Well the reason i did decide on just using a rotary and not picking up the PC was the fact that most people start out with a rotary those that dont know what a PC and never heard of autopia and those that start out in bodyshops and car washes and thats where they learn......so i figured if my dad can learn just from using Rotary and mastering it by himself so can i...... its funny he has never heard of a PC



and sorry everyone..... for, i guess saying im learning....and telling yall that, and i did say autopia liars.....but joking to attract attention to my thread read my first post it says so in the bottom....



i will keep practicing on beaters my uncle gots an old white kia....my dad has an old thunderbird that is oxidized to the point where it doesnt shine at all, and a tercel that hasnt been used forever......im just gonna keep practicing.....



and to the person that said i will regret and laugh about what i posted.....NEVER.....i meant what i posted and i do not regret anything i have done read or posted here on autopia.....



thanks for this kind of critical very negative posts and thanks to some of the few that say i should keep practicing which is the best advice to give, well for me......thank you
 
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