SVR
Dream Machines
which time zone is that? trying to work out what time it will be in Australia at 8pm on the 20th so I dont miss this
Autopia Exclusive – Kevin Brown Chat Night (3/20/13)
- Thread starter David Fermani
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RaskyR1
Rasky's Auto Detailing
Bump for two days away! 
C. Charles Hahn
CCH Auto Appearance, LLC
SVR said:
8PM Eastern Standard Time (GMT-5:00)
Kevin Brown
New member
I'll be here at 5:00 Pacific Time... right?!
Ben@3D
New member
The chat starts at:
2 pm Honolulu
5 pm Los Angeles
8 pm New York
12 am London
2 am Jerusalem
8 am Perth
11 am Sydney
The chat room will be open earlier for those that like watching paint dry. :lever:
2 pm Honolulu
5 pm Los Angeles
8 pm New York
12 am London
2 am Jerusalem
8 am Perth
11 am Sydney
The chat room will be open earlier for those that like watching paint dry. :lever:
David Fermani
Forza Auto Salon
EPIC Chat Night!! Thanks to Kevin Brown and all that attended. I think it was a huge success. Here's the chat history:
Chat History
Chat Conversation in chatroom Kevin Brown Chat Room on Mar 20th 2013 (1642 lines)
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darkonion
hi ben
7:45 Ben@Autopia
hey Dark
7:46 and dschia
7:46 dschia
hi ben
7:47 darkonion
how's it going?
7:47 Ben@Autopia
pretty good
7:48 and you
7:48 darkonion
doing okay
7:48 Ben@Autopia
dont recall seeing your name before dschia. Are you new to autopia?
7:49 dschia
not really, but a lurker most of the time
7:50 Ben@Autopia
ahhh
7:50 darkonion
so ben, tell about this new 3d store opening up in san jose
7:50 Ben@Autopia
Unfortunately have not visited the store. It looks nice from the pics
7:51 darkonion
i see, cool
7:52 Ben@Autopia
are you going to go to their grand opening?
7:52 darkonion
going to try to, my parents live in the area
7:52 Ben@Autopia
go ahead...dad and ma need a visit too
7:53 7:53 darkonion
hehe
7:54 wonder if there will be free schwag
7:54 Ben@Autopia
hey C
7:54 darkonion
everyone loves free schwag
7:55 Ben@Autopia
lots of free schwag
7:55 darkonion
hey charlie
7:55 C. Charles Hahn
Hey Ben, ready for your bandwidth to go through the roof?
7:55 Hi Kevin
7:55 darkonion
so i should arrive early
7:55 my name isn't kevin
7:55 7:55 yeah it is...
7:55 hhahaha
7:55 Ben@Autopia
haha
7:55 hybridhacker
Is this the discussion on NuFinish?
7:55 C. Charles Hahn
lol
7:55 Ben@Autopia
Kevins not here man
7:55 darkonion
i ordered some m100 and some fg400
7:56 waiting for that to come in the mail
7:56 also some more 22ple
7:56 since i ran out
7:56 C. Charles Hahn
M100 is awesome stuff.... FG400, only so-so for me thus far
7:56 Ben@Autopia
dark, save your money for the grand opening specials
7:57 darkonion
i don't have any money... all gone...
7:57 7:57 Ben@Autopia
well, there is free food so you wont miss out completely
7:57 lol
7:57 darkonion
hahaha
7:58 trying to not purchase too much more stuff
7:58 moving in a month
7:58 hybridhacker
Gloth in the house!
7:58 gmblack3
sup fellows. Just saying hi before I head into work
7:58 Ben@Autopia
ah
7:58 gmblack3
lol
7:58 Ben@Autopia
heya gm
7:58 gmblack3
sup HH
7:58 hybridhacker
Sup B
7:58 gmblack3
Ben how are you
7:58 H squared
7:59 hybridhacker
I makes the moneeez!
7:59 gmblack3
tell Kevin I said hi and appreciate all his help!
7:59 Ben@Autopia
another warm beatiful so cal day followed by another 250 of em
7:59 gmblack3
colder here and rain for the w/e.
7:59 Ben@Autopia
great detail weather again
7:59 hybridhacker
How can KB be late to his own party?
7:59 Ben@Autopia
youch
8:00 gmblack3
I see he is online
8:00 C. Charles Hahn
First day of spring, it's less than 30 degrees and snowing outside.
8:00 fabz
Hi guys! Its 10 am here on the Gold Coast of Oz.
8:00 gmblack3
cool oz
8:00 Ben@Autopia
send him an invite
8:00 darkonion
https://www.facebook.c...eater
8:00 that's what i did the other day
8:00 8:00 fabz
taking the day off, used this chat as an excuse.
8:00 Ben@Autopia
I stayed at the gold coast once
8:01 in Vegas
8:01 C. Charles Hahn
Hey Greg
8:01 darkonion
gabz, is that australia?
8:01 Ben@Autopia
8:01 Greg Nichols
<---paint blader here
8:01 darkonion
fabz*
8:01 hybridhacker
G money!
8:01 Greg Nichols
whats up benny
8:01 fabz
it's aweseome, I love it here... got the beach, montains, good weather...
8:01 Ben@Autopia
heyas G
8:01 hybridhacker
has shared a handwritten message
8:02 Greg Nichols
hey ya ben
8:02 gmblack3
GN
8:02 fabz
pretty women
8:02 Paul Sparks
Kevin is trying to find the way in
8:02 fabz
...
8:02 C. Charles Hahn
Hi Paul
8:02 Ben@Autopia
I hope he is not on an ipad
8:02 darkonion
hi paul
8:02 Paul Sparks
Hope he isn't on a ipad
8:02 Greg Nichols
I bet chad can detail a car hybrid style and chat at the same time
8:02 Paul Sparks
Hey Charles ,Kevin
8:02 gmblack3
just like a mullet, gloss up top and hack down low
8:02 Greg Nichols
LOL bryan
8:03 mikenap
Yo!
8:03 hybridhacker
LOLZ
8:03 gmblack3
ok guys got to roll to work
8:03 C. Charles Hahn
Uh oh... Mike's here lol
8:03 mikenap
lol
8:03 gmblack3
if KB makes it send him my hackness
8:03 Greg Nichols
mikes okay, we'll just have to keep him in the corner
8:03 mikenap
Bryan, you really leaving?
8:03 gmblack3
yes for work
8:03 hybridhacker
Go do work son!
8:03 gmblack3
later
8:03 Greg Nichols
later
8:04 mikenap
later
8:04 no guest of honor yet?
8:04 Greg Nichols
KB is still trying to find the chat room
8:04 I'll go get him
8:04 mikenap
Pick a color Greg
8:05 Kevin Brown
Yay!
8:05 C. Charles Hahn
The man of the hour has arrived!
8:05 Greg Nichols
I'm trying
8:05 darkonion
Hello
8:05 Perfections
sweet
8:05 Greg Nichols
hello onion
8:05 darkonion
hello greg
8:06 Ben@Autopia
there is the man of the hour
8:06 Kevin Brown
Freaking out, man, had to call Chad.
8:06 Greg Nichols
how does one make this window larger?
8:06 fabz
yes want to know that too
8:06 Kevin Brown
Popout button
8:06 Flash Gordon
where is chad
8:06 fabz
so tiny
8:06 yes got it
8:07 Kevin Brown
Chad is in Cognito, MN
8:07 Greg Nichols
how many can this room hold
8:07 mikenap
Hopefully a lot
8:07 darkonion
so... how about kentucky huh?
8:07 lasted a whole round
8:07 Paul Sparks
Glad to see you found the secret entrance Kevin
8:07 hybridhacker
We need Dasher and his gifs
8:07 darkonion
well... almost a whole round
8:07 Kevin Brown
Hmm, I couldn't find the bar at the bottom because I was using Autopia Classic
8:07 C. Charles Hahn
Should hold right up until the server crashes from overloading
8:07 Flash Gordon
lol yes
8:07 Greg Nichols
so no go making the window larger?
8:08 hybridhacker
popout G
8:08 Kevin Brown
Yes Greg, hit the POPOUT button at the top.
8:08 mikenap
popout
8:08 Paul Sparks
Well Kevin welcome to the chatroom. It's all yours now.
8:08 Greg Nichols
I think it worked
8:08 hybridhacker
We have questions KB has answers.
8:09 mikenap
what's on the agenda for tonight...I'm taking notes!
8:09 Kevin Brown
Oh, no.... I wanted to blend in. That's why I didn't change my type color.
8:09 Flash Gordon
Anyone attending detailfest?
8:09 Ben@Autopia
probably handle a few hundred chatters before it breaks.
8:09 mikenap
Jeff!
8:09 gofast908z
Hey folks
8:09 hybridhacker
Jeff's here...I'm out!
8:09 Greg Nichols
yo jeff
8:10 C. Charles Hahn
Howdy Jeff
8:10 Greg Nichols
oh wrong jeff
8:10 hybridhacker
8:10 gofast908z
haha
8:10 Kevin Brown
Well, it's been a great run, but I have to come clean that all of my info to this point I have stolen from BEN..!
8:10 Greg Nichols
8:10 gofast908z
NOT suggs
8:10 Ben@Autopia
8:10 Greg Nichols
<----paint blader here
8:10 mikenap
For one night only....unban Suggs!
8:10 gofast908z
can you make the chatroom window larger?
8:10 Kevin Brown
hit the popout button at the top
8:11 C. Charles Hahn
Popout button
8:11 Ben@Autopia
click the pop out..you can make full screen
8:11 gofast908z
excellent!
8:11 thanks!
8:11 the orig window was the size of my iphone.....not gonna work lol
8:11 Kevin Brown
Kevin "Don't ask me about pad choice" Brown, here.
8:11 Ayyyy...
8:12 Paul Sparks
Thanks for giving up some time to visit the Autopia.Org chatroom Kevin
8:12 gofast908z
Howdy Kevin! Thanks for doing this!
8:12 Kevin Brown
Are oyu kidding me?! I thought they'd never ask!!
8:12 Ben@Autopia
Kevin, are you going discuss with us the proper use of razor blade to remove overspray?
8:12 Perfections
i hope so thats what im here for
8:13 fabz
I want to buy the 21 but refuse to pay $700 here in Oz
8:13 Ben@Autopia
sorry, could not resist
8:13 Kevin Brown
I'm usually rushing to print shipping tags and make it to the Post Office by 5:30... not so today.
8:13 Paul Sparks
Col
8:13 Hey John
8:13 gofast908z
I heard rusty blades work best because they grab the overspray more
8:13 hey John
8:13 Kevin Brown
I've asked if I can get ahold Austrailian machines... I even sent an e-mail again today! No response.
8:14 CONCOURS.JOHN
hey guys
8:14 C. Charles Hahn
Hi John
8:14 Kevin Brown
HI!
8:14 mikenap
Hey John
8:14 Flash Gordon
Hello
8:15 fabz
Have you guys tried to blade interiors? Works great and you save on chemicals...
8:15 Paul Sparks
Any certain topic you want to cover Kevin ?
8:15 Hey Flash
8:15 Flash Gordon
Pad Size!
8:15 Paul Sparks
Welcome Bill
8:15 gofast908z
other than blades lol
8:15 Flash Gordon
Hi Paul
8:15 Kevin Brown
Dang, man. Usually I go to the drive through and I get shorted a couple items... this time I ended up with TWO extra tacos..!
8:15 Hoytman
Hi Paul!
8:15 Bill D
thanks
8:15 mikenap
Karma
8:15 Kevin Brown
No, I'm open to whatever.
8:15 fabz
No response not a good sign...
8:15 Flash Gordon
Sweet!
8:16 mikenap
Hi Alex
8:16 Hoytman
Hello Mr. Hahn!
8:16 darkonion
I'll start, How does one best optimize the Rupes 21mm??
8:16 boredstudent
Hi Mike
8:16 Nanolex US
hello all
8:16 gofast908z
washer mod FTW
8:16 mikenap
Washer mod, first of all
8:16 C. Charles Hahn
Hey Hoytman, long time no see!
8:16 Kevin Brown
I know, but I was once told that I could not get them because there was already dealers there. But then on FB, I saw a guy saying he was getting his through Todd, so I asked why can't I get them?
8:17 darkonion
That is, are there any common mistakes we need to be aware of while operating the machine
8:17 boredstudent
lol KB
8:17 mikenap
Watch out for the deathgrip Velcro...it can kill pads
8:17 Paul Sparks
Yep
8:17 Nanolex US
Anyone use the Spotless machine
8:18 gofast908z
work those pads of the velcro....gently
8:18 Hoytman
Yeah...no kiddin'. Been missin' some of you guys. Paul invited me over sometime ago, but I always forget. Just happened on it tonight.
8:18 Kevin Brown
http://www.autopia.org....html
8:18 darkonion
Solution for the deathgrip velcro?
8:18 C. Charles Hahn
Speaking of the velcro, what exactly IS the difference between the blue and grey-backed backing plates from Rupes?
8:18 mikenap
exactly. start at a corner and work your way around.
8:18 Kevin Brown
darkonion and charles... there are more hooks on the blue, and they have a slightly different profile.
8:19 Paul Sparks
Great thread for info
8:19 mikenap
Isn't blue the standard one?
8:20 darkonion
Do I need the gray backing plate, or is the blue one fine?
8:20 And do you have a solution for the trigger lock?
8:20 mikenap
Barry!
8:20 Greg Nichols
oh damn barrys here
8:20 hybridhacker
BB in the house!
8:21 C. Charles Hahn
Gotcha. Both of mine are blue.
8:21 mikenap
I think the trigger lock issue is more just getting used to it.
8:21 Kevin Brown
It is now. From what I heard (Greg)... Marco changed the Velcro because he knew we were using the spacer and he anticipated pads flinging from the plate
8:21 Flash Gordon
hey barry theal!
8:21 Ben@Autopia
The Prez is here, all hail
8:21 Greg Nichols
that is correct KB.....that is the sense I got from them
8:21 Paul Sparks
Hey Barry
8:21 Kevin Brown
Originally, BigFoots came with the 981.320 plate: http://www.buffdaddy.c...1.320
8:21 Barry Theal
Whats going on all?
8:22 Greg Nichols
grumpy!
8:22 Kevin Brown
Did you see the photos of the trigger lock?
8:22 Barry Theal
Kevin so what are the future plans for buffdaddy.com
8:22 Flash Gordon
i think marco is jealous of you
8:22 Ron Ketcham
made it back from the trim restoration delivery.
8:22 boredstudent
what photos of trigger lock?
8:22 Barry Theal
Hello everyone
8:22 C. Charles Hahn
Good timing Ron
8:23 darkonion
i haven't seen the picture of the trigger lock
8:23 Greg Nichols
hey ya barry and ron
8:23 Paul Sparks
Kevin was just talking about the velcro on the Rupes
8:23 Ron Ketcham
hello everyone, Kevin welcome to the asylum.
8:23 Kevin Brown
I'm a point-n-shoot kind of guy, Barry. I take all my orders from Ben. We agreed that I wouldn't sell 3D because it would then be obvious that I wanted working alone...
8:23 hybridhacker
Buggy Barry
8:23 Nanolex US
Barry is a celeb here, lol
8:23 Hoytman
I'm a newb here. LOL!
8:24 Flash Gordon
barry = legend
8:24 Ron Ketcham
A very nice turn out for Kevin's discussion.
8:24 Kevin Brown
Thanks, Ron, you've been keeping everyone on the straight and narrow, squashing hype?
8:24 CONCOURS.JOHN
My main question parameters CFM and Pressure to keep the LHR75 most effective. Want one but want to make sure compressor will keep up.
8:24 Flash Gordon
where is rasky, snowed in?
8:25 Greg Nichols
KB= EF hutton when he talks people listen
8:25 rasky is doing a hybrid detail and chatting
8:25 Barry Theal
Rasky, I wonder where that knuckle head is?
8:25 Greg Nichols
8:25 Barry Theal
lol
8:25 mikenap
lol
8:25 Barry Theal
lmao
8:25 Kevin Brown
trigger lock pics: http://www.autopia.org...33453
8:25 boredstudent
lol...rasky too busy enjoying himself while wife is away...=)
8:25 Greg Nichols
later rasky will have to take some time for the photoshop work needed to show that detail
8:26 hybridhacker
LHR75 is an air hog but man does it rock!
8:26 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, through your efforts, a new and welcomed interest in the use of dual actions have been reborn. Would you care to elaborate on that a bit?
8:26 CONCOURS.JOHN
Wrong site for that
8:26 Paul Sparks
Does any kind of lube help brake the trigger lock in or aid it's operation ?
8:26 Kevin Brown
John, you've very likely got WAY more experience with compressors that I do. That being said, I can use my LHR75 with my 25 gallon Craftsman compressor without an issue. However- it is a two-stage unit.
8:27 CONCOURS.JOHN
gotcha
8:27 hybridhacker
What CFM is your Comp KB?
8:27 Kevin Brown
hybridhacker: http://community.craft...views
8:28 John, the shop you work out of has a large compressor, correct?
8:29 CONCOURS.JOHN
I downgraded from a 3phase 200psi 20cfm temendously
8:29 tank was 150 gal
8:30 Barry Theal
Kevin after all the Rupes craze that you created is there one product or tool that you use and carry, that is a goto tool for a detailer? For example a denibber or something that isn't talked about much?
8:30 hybridhacker
Don't see CFM specs but I'll check it out later. Thanks!
8:30 Ron Ketcham
That good air storage, I guess with that 20 cfm and 200 line pressure you had a really good, high quality regulator.
8:31 Flash Gordon
good question barry!
8:32 Kevin Brown
Ron, thanks, but I think part of the reason the random orbital has become popular is simply because through the forums, a few guys really tried to achieve a better result, gave the machine a "fair shot" so to speak.
Certainly, I did try to provide some information as to how to do this.
But really, with the advent of thinner pads and discs came the ability for the machines motion to be more perfectly transferred through the pad.
Then BAM! A compound revolution took place.
8:32 mikenap
I haven't heard much about the Rupes polishes. Can you give any info about those?
8:32 Hoytman
HaHA...BAM...Where's Emeril?
8:33 Flash Gordon
good question mikenap! i was wondering the same
8:33 Nanolex US
Is the Rupes so much better that it's time to dump my porter cable.
8:33 Ron Ketcham
At first I didn't "grasp" that simple change you introduced, and yet when thinking it though, it made sense, thinner pad with the correct pad material will allow for a product to be more effective in it's intended use.
8:33 Kevin Brown
Barry, I still use a rotary, a "typical" random orbital, and when air is available, I bring along various tools.
8:34 Flash Gordon
this screen is super small
8:34 mikenap
popout button, Flash
8:34 Ron Ketcham
The use of the "thinner" yet correct pad, allows the actions of the dual action to be more effective.
8:34 Greg Nichols
flash use the pop out icon on the top
8:34 hybridhacker
I'll ask the one question that has been asked a million times now....any side by side comparisons with the 3401 yet?
8:34 Perfections
Kevin, Ive been a long time rotary user, then swapped to d/a then flex 3401. Most people I talk 2 dislike the flex, but i actually like it. Would buying the rupes speed things up over the flex on big flat surfaces? What about finishing down ability compared to flex?
8:34 CONCOURS.JOHN
It was from a machine shop. compressor seized and was sold not long after I opened. 400 for new compressor It was 4 outlet 4 regulator but quiet.
8:34 Flash Gordon
holy cow!!! thanks greg nichols!!!!!
8:35 mikenap
Compared to a Flex, the Rupes is smoother, quieter and easier to handle.
8:35 Flash Gordon
you to mikenap!!!!!
8:35 mikenap
8:35 Flash Gordon
much better
8:36 CONCOURS.JOHN
yes Rupes is very smooth have LHR15
8:36 darkonion
Hybrid, I have both, Rupes is much better.
8:36 mikenap
Can't really one-hand operate a Flex...
8:36 Nanolex US
Then i'll have to get one.
8:36 Barry Theal
Hell with a rupes you can operate while sending text messages! lol
8:37 gofast908z
Jose was walking his on a leash (the cord) one handed. Name one other machine that can do that!
8:37 C. Charles Hahn
Anybody tried swapping the cord on the Rupes to a more flexible one yet?
8:37 hybridhacker
LMAO, Barry
8:37 gofast908z
ditto on that Charlie....cord has rigor mortis
8:37 darkonion
Nanolex, I'd get the Rupes if I could justify the price. At MSRP of $400 or something...
8:37 Perfections
Mike, thanks for your input and i understand that to be the case from people Ive talked 2. But im concerned with speed. If im able to do better correction work in less time, thats my goal
8:37 CONCOURS.JOHN
Next on my list Charles.
8:37 Kevin Brown
Rupes gels... I think that if you only had those in your arsenal, you could achieve a very good result. I have not "pushed" those liquids to anywhere near the level I have with something like M105.
I use M105 likely for a thousand hours (or close to it) prior to its release. I learned a LOT by using only ONE capable liquid.... how to optimize cutting AND finishing ability.
I think they are very good, but I don't think they're at a level that will make any one of them a "class leader". I suggest trying the 8.45 ounce bottles, as they are not all that expensive. YOu'd probably end up using up the bottles, too, because they are very good.
8:37 Flash Gordon
hate to sound stupid amongst all you gurus, but what is the difference between the 15 and 21? Is one meant for 5" pads and the other for 6"? surely there is more then that
8:37 Nanolex US
U mean multi task while buffing, haha
8:37 Greg Nichols
I've spoken with Marco RUPES about this cord
8:37 Barry Theal
Dark Onion that price is very small for what your actually getting!
8:37 Greg Nichols
he said its the best they can get in Italy
8:38 hybridhacker
Charles...one thing nice about the stiff cord is that it's easy to coil back up nice and neat again.
8:38 Nanolex US
I'm all over it.
8:38 Hoytman
As a newb I was contemplating the 3401. I liked it, but now I'm not so sure...I mean why fight "it" IF the RUPES is that much better. Then again the machine is new and already there are complaints about the cords. The 3401 doesn't seem to have issues other than some not liking how it feels.
8:38 Greg Nichols
I've gotten the cord to relax some
8:38 Flash Gordon
everyone quit talkingt till my questions get answered
8:38 darkonion
Flash, 15 is a 15mm orbit, 21 is a 21mm orbit. Autogeek has a video online showing the difference
8:38 CONCOURS.JOHN
105 with some playing and water can finish almost as nice as 205.
8:38 Kevin Brown
how do stop the message box from auto-scrolling?!? I can't keep up!
8:38 gofast908z
how Greg?
8:38 Greg Nichols
by pulling it over one of the handles in my garage doors
8:38 darkonion
Hoytman, forget about the Flex
8:39 I didn't like it, and I got it way less than retail.
8:39 Flash Gordon
okay, thanks onion!
8:39 Greg Nichols
kind of like pulling fishing line through a piece of rubber it takes the momory out of it
8:39 Paul Sparks
sorry but it won't stop.lol.
8:39 mikenap
The cord and trigger issues are minor, IMO. The correction speed and ease of use are the key selling points.
8:39 C. Charles Hahn
The cord isn't bad from the standpoint of it being prone to fail, just that it's a little on the stiff side. Minor gripe at worst
8:39 Kevin Brown
Ah, the cords are stiff, but it's no deal-breaker. The reverse rotation, the direct drive.... deal breaker for me.
8:40 darkonion
Barry, as a hobbyist, I couldn't justify the $300 price difference... but I will agree that it is worth every dollar!
8:40 hybridhacker
Greg...was it old age?
8:40 mikenap
Thanks for the answer of the Rupes liquids, Kevin!
8:40 Greg Nichols
chad go back to your photoshop work
8:40 Paul Sparks
Darkonion (Kevin) You have the 21 don't you ?
8:41 Hoytman
Yes, but can't you get correction with its forced rotation that can't be gotten with the action of the RUPES.
8:41 Flash Gordon
I missed the answer to the RUPES polishes
8:41 Nanolex US
Does one need to get all new pads with the Rupes all can use my old Porter???
8:41 Hoytman
I don't know that's why I'm asking. I don't have either machine.
8:41 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, I am very reluctant to bring this up, but then there is no correct time, it will eventually come into play. What with the growing industrial might of a couple of nations, one which is very good at spotting trends in all industries, and reverse engineering products, do you foresee another da coming to market that is equal or close to the Rupes?
8:41 mikenap
Rupes works fine with all my current collection of pads
8:42 boredstudent
Flash - go back to the small chat window, the history is there
8:42 Paul Sparks
IMO the longer stroke wins over the forced rotation.
8:42 darkonion
Paul, i do.
8:42 Nanolex US
Thx Mike
8:42 Flash Gordon
thanks student!
8:42 mikenap
Agree with Paul
8:42 gofast908z
The thing that bugs me about the cord it is getting caught on tires and my extension cord etc... but a small prob. Love me some RUPES!
8:42 darkonion
Hoytman, do you need to press down so hard that you'll actually get the pad to stop rotating?
8:42 mikenap
No problem!
8:43 Flash Gordon
i'm thinking i want the 21
8:43 Kevin Brown
Flash, if you have a rotary buffer and the pad is centered, there's no offset. If you removed the pad, marked the center of it with a pen, and then offset the centeering of the pad 4mm, when it spins that little dot will travel along a circular path that measures 8mm across.
8:43 C. Charles Hahn
Ron, those growing industrial nations can't match the build quality of the Italians. Wouldn't meet the bargain price point if they did.
8:43 mikenap
Flash, you really do. It's awesome.
8:43 darkonion
Flash, you definitely need one, it's amazing
8:44 gofast908z
<------- grateful the Italian RUPES is built better than some Italian cars
8:44 Flash Gordon
kb...are you the only aurthorized repair facility in the usa?
8:44 hybridhacker
AG in the house! LOL
8:44 mikenap
Lol@Jeff
8:44 C. Charles Hahn
rofl
8:44 Hoytman
Thus far I've used a rotary mostly. Even when I used my Meg's unit I didn't find much need for a lot of pressure. Then again, my experience is limited.
8:45 CONCOURS.JOHN
i can attest to its abilities even with colorsand corection
8:45 gofast908z
and it doesn't come with RIDS/pigtails/trails LOL
8:45 Kevin Brown
Hoytman... I think you can get as good as or faster cutting with the 21... than the 3401. The 15? I don't think so unless you really knew how to work clean, fully prime the pad, water spritz the panel as you worked it, etc...
8:45 Nanolex US
U guys are kidding me or what, we can send a man to the moon but we can't build a better or similar to Rupes....
8:45 Hoytman
Thanks Kevin!
8:45 Ron Ketcham
Rupes, and from what I have been following in forums and such, has you to thank for making the product known to the detailing industry in the USA. They have created a "brand" awareness. However, the price point is always a concern that must be addressed in the continuing growing of a brand and it's distribution. Do you feel that Rupes will perhaps make some changes in their price points as they continue to grow in the market place?
8:46 Flash Gordon
gotcha kevin
8:46 darkonion
Honestly, if someone wants to see a side by side, 3401 vs Bigfoot 21mm, I'll do it!
8:46 Flash Gordon
i think i do anyway :/
8:46 mikenap
Do it with same pads and compounds, not like the BS DW thread
8:47 hybridhacker
LOL
8:47 gofast908z
^ hahaha
8:47 Kevin Brown
Ron, I think most companies are copying, following the others.
I wish Cyclo would build a singel-head machine. They've already got the manufacturing capability (although I don't certainly know if they build their machines!), they already use a large stroke (8mm offset=16mmø orbit).
8:47 Ron Ketcham
i realize that my question is asking a very personal response.
8:47 Nanolex US
I'm a big believer that you get what u pay for, if it's that good then it's worth the money!
8:47 darkonion
I am broke though... but yeah...
8:48 mikenap
Andrew!
8:48 Barry Theal
Automania How are ya girl
8:48 CONCOURS.JOHN
Hey Andrew!!
8:48 AndrewBigA
hey guys
8:48 Paul Sparks
about time Andrew
8:48 Ron Ketcham
Andrew, Gina, good evening.
8:48 mikenap
Get ready to ditch your Mak, buddy
8:48 Barry Theal
Oh maN big A is here now!
8:48 darkonion
If i do a side by side, i need a few pads, and a painted cookie sheet or something
8:49 Kevin Brown
It sure was an "event" in my head when I spotted the 21 printed across that Rupes at the 2011 SEMA Show. Marco the engineer was standing there in that booth, probably cussing in his head that nobody walking by really understood the potential of his Italian machine.
8:49 Hoytman
I agree with what Kevin said about cyclo. I'm all about buying American when I can.
8:49 AndrewBigA
shut up barry
8:49 Barry Theal
lol
8:49 AndrewBigA
=)
8:49 Flash Gordon
i only have $400 now. do you do layaway like wal mart?
8:49 Nanolex US
Dark - you just gave me a great idea but can't use it here yet. lol
8:49 AndrewBigA
flashgordon in here?
8:50 who let him in here?
8:50 Flash Gordon
yes, but don't tell anyone
8:50 Ron Ketcham
Hoyt, it may say American on it, but that may only mean "assembled in America", with most parts being sourced from out of the USA.
8:50 mikenap
^ truth
8:50 CONCOURS.JOHN
We are just leading you in Andrew first LED then the Rupes
8:50 gofast908z
Whats up Big A!!
8:50 Hoytman
I understand that.
8:50 AndrewBigA
jeff!
8:50 2 more days to see the barber
8:51 its been abt 4 mnnths
8:51 dschia
Hi Kevin, does the 21 fitted with 5" plate will cause any unbalance issue? Is it something you recommend doing?
8:51 mikenap
you lose a bet with that jewfro???
8:51 hybridhacker
lol
8:51 AndrewBigA
no
8:51 Nanolex US
Barry must be be Detailing now while typing!!!
8:51 AndrewBigA
i made a promise to myself
8:51 that im goign ot hold out on the fro for as long as i could
8:51 Kevin Brown
As to the price... I was instrumental in keeping it BELOW $400. It sells for a lot more in other parts of the world, rotary-action machines such as Festool and Fein sell at $400+.... the Rotex RO 150 FEQ sells at $525.00! I figured if they would keep the price in the "range" of the 3401, and the other Flex rotaries, we could "steal" away sales from those machines. I took some heat initially for wanting that price, but it has held, than goodness!
8:51 Paul Sparks
Anything new coming from Buffdaddy in the near future ?
8:51 Barry Theal
Gil I really don't detail, I pay others to do that
8:52 C. Charles Hahn
dschia -- balance is fine, I've been using a 21 with the 5" plate for a few months now
8:52 Ben@Autopia
100% right Ron. With Chemicals as well. A majority or raw materials can be sourced back to overseas
8:52 gofast908z
The RUPES 21 is worth going into debt for it.
8:52 Nanolex US
I hear ya budd...
8:52 Kevin Brown
Once a Chinese knockoff comes along for $100 less, then Rupes will have to respond, or hold fast on their philosophy of high-quality, lower production, versus cheap-cheap.
8:52 Nanolex US
We need to catch up.
8:52 mikenap
The Rupes saves so much time, it will pay for itself before you know it
8:53 gofast908z
I'd love to see a 21 retrofitted with LED lights in the body....crazy idea i know
8:53 dschia
Thks Charles.
8:53 Ben@Autopia
like a modded PC case, but a buffer
8:53 hybridhacker
Good idea Jeff
8:53 fabz
most used/ first choice cutting pad for the 21 at the moment?
8:53 mikenap
Hi Dana
8:54 Paul Sparks
Hey Dana
8:54 hybridhacker
Dana is here...I'm leaving
8:54 gofast908z
take the idea of a LED head-light and apply it to the machine
8:54 Asphalt Rocket
Hey Mike
8:54 hybridhacker
8:54 mikenap
Meg's MF cutting or finishing
8:54 Perfections
will the rupes 21 save me time vs the 3401?
8:54 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, over my years in the car care industry, I have worked with several Italian companies. They have some big "economic" issues over there, with work forces, goverment, etc. It will be interesting to see how they respond in the coming two years to the inroads they have made at this point in North America.
8:54 AndrewBigA
ya jeff & add a gopro to that as well & your set
8:54 Ben@Autopia
take what you use now for pads. Put on the 21 and they work beter
8:54 gofast908z
I run the finishing almost all the time
8:54 mikenap
Yes, I think so
8:54 gofast908z
cutting with the washer is almost too aggressive
8:54 I'm so getting a gopro mounted to the rupes now
8:54 AndrewBigA
lol
8:55 Asphalt Rocket
hybridhacker, great name-lol
8:55 gofast908z
probably a laser sight while i'm at it
8:55 CONCOURS.JOHN
105 on finishing almost LSP ready
8:55 gofast908z
you know, for "tactical" polishing
8:55 ^ truth
8:55 hybridhacker
I thought you'd like that.
8:55 boredstudent
KEVIN - I remember seeing a while back, you had cut down a rupes pad and made it low profile. Was there a benefit to that or were you just tinkering around?
8:55 mikenap
speaking of videos....when is Gellas and A doing the showdown?
8:56 Kevin Brown
Ron, hopefully all the money I'm spending with them will help to stabilize things!
8:56 darkonion
Where I can get one of those sprayed cookie sheets you test on?
8:56 CONCOURS.JOHN
Yes I'd like to see my lights again mikenap??!!
8:56 AndrewBigA
when i clean up my messy garage in a few weeks mike
8:56 dont worry, i didnt forget abt that
8:57 mikenap
lol@John
8:57 AndrewBigA
thats going to go down
8:57 Autowerx
Good evening everyone
8:57 hybridhacker
Onion....http://www.detailedima...ture/
8:57 AndrewBigA
john when do u want me to send them back?
8:57 lo
8:57 mikenap
John, if I wanted YOU to make me a light stand like that, roughly how much would you charge...I'm electrically inept or else I'd try to do it myself
8:57 Flash Gordon
I feel like buying a RUPES tonite!!!
8:57 Ben@Autopia
I would guess cutting down on a pad would increase heat and lessen the life of the pad?
8:58 AndrewBigA
johns lights are great bc they are 4 bulbs wide
8:58 hybridhacker
Restaurant supply stores
8:58 Nanolex US
Go for it..
8:58 darkonion
Nice, but I was looking to maybe purchase one??
8:58 CONCOURS.JOHN
Just let me know when you and Greg can check them out. Thats why I sent them. All good.
8:58 Kevin Brown
Bored student, are you talking about an Exact-Fit plate? I cut down the Rupes 6" plate and make a plate as small as 5-1/4" with it. They are lower profile than the standard 5" plate. They is merit in the fact that a shorter plate would not magnify small movements of the machine...
8:58 Flash Gordon
you think i should?
8:58 Kevin Brown
"gofast908z: I'd love to see a 21 retrofitted with LED lights in the body....crazy idea i know"
8:59 hybridhacker
KB you shaved down a Rupes pad and posted it on FB a while back
8:59 Kevin Brown
Do you know how EASY this is to do?!?!
8:59 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, your "educational" work for the industry is so well known, you are known as one who is dedicated to the industry. Could you offer any well intended advice to those who are new or just starting to enter the industry, that could be benefical?
8:59 Paul Sparks
Flash-Buffdaddy.com is open 24/7
8:59 Barry Theal
Flash Gordon http://www.buffdaddy.c...rupes
8:59 Asphalt Rocket
Spend that money Flash
9:00 Barry Theal
welcome yvan
9:00 mikenap
Hey Yvan
9:00 boredstudent
Chad knows what i'm talking about. you shaved a rupes pad, not BP and posted in detailer buddies
9:00 Paul Sparks
Yvan-welcome
9:00 CONCOURS.JOHN
Welcom Yvan!
9:00 reparebrise
evening all
9:00 better late than dead
9:01 Paul Sparks
I saw the cut down pad post also
9:01 CONCOURS.JOHN
LOL
9:01 Nanolex US
$400.00 is crazyyyyyy
9:01 gofast908z
its EASY Kevin? Do you have one in the works?
9:01 Ron Ketcham
Yvan, welcome, now post in English, not Quebec French!
9:01 CONCOURS.JOHN
Pay to play.
9:01 mikenap
$400 is comparable to a 3401
9:02 hybridhacker
$400 is like 1/4 the money from a detail for the Big Dogs
9:02 Asphalt Rocket
I can cut pads down for you on my table saw Kevin
9:02 Nanolex US
Damn right!!!!
9:02 hybridhacker
lol
9:02 reparebrise
mange de la merde Ron
9:02 C. Charles Hahn
This is by far the busiest I've ever seen this chat room... I'm impressed!
9:02 Ron Ketcham
Don't talk **** to me Yvan!
9:02 gofast908z
Kevin, I'll take a 21 LED edition right now....shoot me the bill
9:02 mikenap
Hmm, I don't know french but I understood that!
9:02 hybridhacker
Rupes pays for itself in just a few cars
9:02 Kevin Brown
OH! the buffing pad!
9:02 CONCOURS.JOHN
Iknow what means Yvan
9:03 Nanolex US
I'm gonna get one for sure.
9:03 hybridhacker
lol
9:03 Kevin Brown
DANA!! Where do I send the box!!!
9:03 Flash Gordon
I'm checking out buffdaddy.com!
9:03 Kevin Brown
I may have spoken too soon on the LED thingy...
9:03 Asphalt Rocket
I will text it to you
9:03 AndrewBigA
leaving the garage now. will be back on in a little bit
9:04 Ben@Autopia
Je suis désolé, mais la vie me demande ça
9:04 Asphalt Rocket
Kevin I need to send you pics of the toy riding car we are making
9:04 Flash Gordon
what language do you speak?
9:04 Paul Sparks
Later Andrew
9:04 reparebrise
Hey, lets get back to Mr. Brown, I can give french lessons anbother time
9:05 C. Charles Hahn
I took two years of French in high school... this is just making me realize how long ago that was
9:05 Kevin Brown
Ron, yes! I think that the N U M B E R O N E issue guys are having in terms of polishing efficiency and performance is that they discount HOW important it is to KEEP THE PAD CLEAN..!
9:05 Ron Ketcham
Ben, for those who may be wondering, is showing off the education his parent paid for but never saw the results of.
9:05 Flash Gordon
so, 399 will get the 21? what about pads?
9:05 Nanolex US
You guys typing too damn fast...
9:05 Ben@Autopia
no, just quoting a Mark Knophler song Rong
9:05 Ron*
9:05 mikenap
Garry!
9:06 Flash Gordon
i change pads often while polishing. screw a pad spur
9:06 Paul Sparks
Garry
9:06 boredstudent
Perfections (John) - your question about time savings was also one that I asked others about as well...but instead of comparing to 3401, I was asking about the time difference b/w 15 and 21.
essentially, if you went around the entire car with 1 machine, and then did the same using the other machine...how much time difference would there be?...half hour, 1 hour, 2 hours, etc.
it was not easy to answer, but they tried and i respect their knowledge
9:06 C. Charles Hahn
Garry
9:06 Barry Theal
With all these questions were asking Kevin, I for one want to take a second to thank him for all his hard work and making my polishing life a whole lot easier! To all the people here how has Kevin helped you out?
9:06 Ben@Autopia
MGD
9:06 hybridhacker
Kevin, we also need an air blower built into the Rupes for self cleaning pads.
9:06 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, that has "always" been something that most don't grasp. Or, go over board and are concerned way too much about some pigment transfer to the pad that doesn't wash out.
9:06 gofast908z
I clean the pad after every panel
9:06 Flash Gordon
garry :freekin: dean!!!!!!
9:06 CONCOURS.JOHN
Keeping pad clean is how even a PC7424 can correct wetsanding.
9:06 Barry Theal
Ben are you getting overtime for this?
9:06 Garry Dean
holy hell, theres a lot of new peeps on here
9:06 Kevin Brown
I can't even find my own posts..! Try some green here...
9:06 Ewww, not good.
9:07 Ben@Autopia
Tunch is paying me in Rupes
9:07 hybridhacker
lol
9:07 CONCOURS.JOHN
Hey Garry "RR"
9:07 Kevin Brown
Purple
9:07 gofast908z
Kevin needs his own color
9:07 Kevin Brown
Better
9:07 Garry Dean
hey guys!
9:07 Perfections
thanks bored for the info
9:07 Nanolex US
LOL
9:07 hybridhacker
You can have my Pink if you like KB
9:07 Hoytman
Hi Garry!
9:07 Paul Sparks
That works
9:07 Ron Ketcham
Ahh, Kevin, fine wine color.
9:07 Barry Theal
Hey Garry
9:07 Kevin Brown
Barry and Ron asked something about the future of machines, or what I use ....
9:07 Garry Dean
hey hey
9:07 hybridhacker
Garry! I need to get your shipping info
9:08 Garry Dean
lol
9:08 Ron Ketcham
Continue Kevin, please.
9:08 Garry Dean
whos asking?
9:08 Kevin Brown
Pink is good, let mee this color.
9:08 Perfections
my main concern was speed. if the rupes will beat my flex 3401 then ill buy one for sure
9:08 Barry Theal
Purple was better!
9:08 Kevin Brown
Speed is interesting...
9:08 reparebrise
please let the man speak
9:08 Flash Gordon
my screen has gone back to super small. Anyone answer my question about pads?
9:08 Ben@Autopia
Deep Purple
9:08 hybridhacker
LOL....I'll PM you Garry.
9:09 mikenap
Use your current pads Flash
9:09 Kevin Brown
The 3401 actually runs maz 480 RPM, 4,800 orbits.
9:09 CONCOURS.JOHN
Technique will always be prime factor in machine.
9:09 Barry Theal
Perfections you really can't compare the to machine. There both different as far as mechanics.
9:09 Flash Gordon
TESTING
9:09 Kevin Brown
The LHR21Es maxes out at 4,200 RPM... but the plate can spin as fast as (best guess) of 600 RPM.
9:09 Flash Gordon
THAT COLOR DOESN'T WORK
9:09 Ron Ketcham
Kevin is giving you time , so let's just allow him to answer, or this is not good for what many expect.
9:10 Nanolex US
Next color please
9:10 CONCOURS.JOHN
Flash your color makes me go crossed eyed
9:10 hybridhacker
lol
9:10 Autowerx
Kevin, are you talking about top-end speed limit of the machines?
9:10 Flash Gordon
i'm shutting up and listening from here on out
9:10 g
9:11 Kevin Brown
Yes, alot to keep up with... I've been copying and pasting the conversation into an email so I can read it!
9:11 CONCOURS.JOHN
:0
9:11 Paul Sparks
The room is yours again kevin
9:11 reparebrise
please send it to me after Kevin, and answer my questions from this morning please
9:12 Kevin Brown
Yes, top speed on the orbits per minute, but the rotation on the LHR21 is of course variable.
9:12 Okay... I didn't mean to kill the room, go ahead, question or some that I may have missed.
9:13 Flash Gordon
i always get to excited when i go to the chatroom and talk to much. please forgive my inmaturaty
9:13 Ben@Autopia
FYI, There is a chat history icon that you can copy/paste/save at the end if need be
9:13 Autowerx
And, with the "washer mod" that I keep hearing about... does that make the Rupes behave more like a Flex with forced rotation?
9:13 Kevin Brown
Who here has or had a 3401 and still prefers to use it over the BigFoot?
9:13 Ron Ketcham
Your are not killing the room, all need to understand that you need some time to provide knowledgable responses to the questions.
9:14 reparebrise
crickets can be heard
9:14 hybridhacker
I sold my Flex because it was worthless once the MF pads were released.
9:14 Ben@Autopia
Never really liked the 3401 personally. Stuck with a normal DA or Rotary
9:14 mikenap
3401 was/is overrated
9:14 C. Charles Hahn
I have the 3401, but I'm only hanging onto it so I can demonstrate to others how much it sucks compared to the BigFoot
9:14 Kevin Brown
The washer simply eliminates the speed scrubbing action of the rubber shroud .
9:14 mikenap
^lol
9:14 Kevin Brown
hahahah!
9:14 gofast908z
LOL @ Charlie
9:14 reparebrise
lol
9:15 Garry Dean
lol charlie
9:15 Ron Ketcham
That makes logical sense, Kevin. Sort of like a crank in a motor.
9:15 Kevin Brown
I was saying that working clean is the BEST way to get FAST cutting and SUPERB finishing.
9:15 Perfections
thanks barry for your thoughts on comparing the machines, im not trying to compare the mechanics though, as i understand them to be totally different. im concerned with will the rupes help my day to day business, helping me correct defects faster
9:15 Flash Gordon
can i order the bigfoot w/mf pads?
9:15 hybridhacker
Yes
9:16 Barry Theal
Perfections that answer is YES!!!!
9:16 Paul Sparks
Limited use of 3401 and rupes 21,15,75. Rupes wins IMO hands down.
9:16 Kevin Brown
The BigFoot is DEFINITELY a time saver, there is no doubt about that.
9:16 Barry Theal
Alot faster
9:16 gofast908z
Hey Mike!!!
9:16 Nanolex US
Dinner is served.
9:16 reparebrise
perfec. yes the rupes will make your employees faster, and eliminate swirls
9:16 mikenap
Flash, did you see my response about the pads earlier? All your existing pads will work fine.
9:16 Kevin Brown
Okay, more..!
9:17 mikenap
Hi Mike
9:17 Greg Nichols
the flex is like running a floor buffer and you feel kicked around the car compared to the RUPEs so at the end of the day your not so wore out IMO
9:17 Flash Gordon
i missed your response probally because i had my head in my keyboard
9:17 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, how about the gaining of knowledge that is factual regarding OEM vs Refinish clears or single stages? Do you feel that it is an important to know as to the use of a tool or pads or product?
9:17 C. Charles Hahn
Mr. Murphy
9:17 Flash Gordon
thx though!
9:17 Perfections
ok, thanks barry thats all i needed lol, yes or no, will the rupes beat the flex in time spent correcting. and the answer is yes. so kevin how many do you have in stock?!
9:17 mikenap
np
9:17 mikemurphy234
Hey Jeff and hello all
9:17 Paul Sparks
Hey Mike
9:18 Barry Theal
Hey Mike
9:18 hybridhacker
Kevin, can you share with other your thoughts on using the MF Finishing pads with the Rupes vs MF cutting?
9:18 CONCOURS.JOHN
Ron I ve been testing on all and find it still to be the least agressive but better machine vrs rotary.
9:18 Kevin Brown
Ron, I think that there is certainly a difference. However, if a guy feels that a particular paint is "difficult" or "hard" or "soft"... I ask they they think of it in different terms.
9:18 Flash Gordon
i like that purple color!
9:19 mikemurphy234
Well said Ron!! I think that is something that too many people overlook.
9:19 Paul Sparks
Like perfection asked , do you have many 21's in stock ?
9:19 boredstudent
none on the 21 for now
9:19 Kevin Brown
Rather than having to learn or recall how best to deal with very specific paint types, so much can be handled by:
1. Keeping the pad clean.
2. Adjusting the amount of buffing liquid being used.
9:20 boredstudent
last one sent to NY
9:20 hybridhacker
Or attend NXTi
9:20 Barry Theal
Kevin your one of the best at what you do when it comes to making the mechanics of a machine easy to understand. Do you think we as detailers look into things to much and forget to keep it simple?
9:21 hybridhacker
lol....Barry just said KISS
9:21 Nanolex US
Good point Barry. lol
9:21 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, so in your experince, there is a lack of knowledge in the industy in the understanding of the paint systems, be it an OEM, and from what production facility or the different materials used in a bodyshop and what may take place there. It appears that many consider "paint is paint" and they will attack all with the same processes.
9:21 Barry Theal
Its all that pink letters!
9:22 mikemurphy234
David!!!!!
9:22 C. Charles Hahn
It's about time Fermani showed up
9:22 Kevin Brown
How many Rupes in stock? Well, there's 58 on the way on the 22nd... and I have (15) Skorpio's, a dozen LHR75's, a dozen LHR15's... just sold outta' 21's, which should be here on the 25th. (10) TA50's on the way as well.
I'm still a VERY small player in the market!
9:22 mikenap
Hey David
9:22 Barry Theal
Hey buddy
9:22 Me
Hi guys. Sorry. Stranded in Hartford, CT
9:22 Paul Sparks
David who ??? lol.
9:22 Nanolex US
Hey David.
9:22 Me
hi
9:22 Ron Ketcham
As well you should be, David, it just works for one who lives most of his life in Florida.
9:23 Me
Kevin - what did I miss?
9:23 Nanolex US
We missed you. lol
9:23 CONCOURS.JOHN
Hartford is better than Dayton David.
9:23 Barry Theal
hey dave
9:23 Ben@Autopia
Hey DF, how was dinner?
9:23 hybridhacker
Hey DF
9:23 Me
good, just took toooooo long
9:23 what did I miss?
9:23 Flash Gordon
hey david
9:23 Me
Is Flash behaaving?
9:23 mikenap
Ron, if I understand what you're asking, isn't this the reason for doing test spots? To see what process works best in each individual case? Or are you meaning something different?
9:23 Kevin Brown
"hybridhacker: Kevin, can you share with other your thoughts on using the MF Finishing pads with the Rupes vs MF cutting?"
"Ron Ketcham: Kevin, so in your experince, there is a lack of knowledge in the industy in the understanding of the paint systems, be it an OEM, and from what production facility or the different materials used in a bodyshop and what may take place there. It appears that many consider "paint is paint" and they will attack all with the same processes."
9:23 Paul Sparks
No lol
9:24 Ben@Autopia
lot of good stuff, check the chat history
9:24 Perfections
thanks kevin for your time tonight, along with others that have helped out. ill be ordering one when they come in, thanks again for all the info
9:24 Ron Ketcham
Time to allow Kevin to answer these questions, that what you came here for.
9:24 Flash Gordon
are you saying the m/f pads are a good or bad choice? speak to me like a child please
9:25 hybridhacker
MF is very good
9:25 Flash Gordon
like chocalate milk good?
9:25 mikenap
Ron, did you see my question?
9:25 hybridhacker
better!
9:26 Nanolex US
Like muscle milk!!!!
9:26 Ron Ketcham
Yes, but it is Kevin's night and he is the one to answer questions, so just allow him to do so. I am sure he is quite capable of doing so.
9:26 Flash Gordon
nuff said. i'm placing my order for a 21 w/m/f pads!!!
9:26 Barry Theal
There better then an Amish girl on rumspringer!
9:26 Kevin Brown
I think that yes, there is a lack of understanding, but that does not mean that you can't "get there from here" without that knowledge. the information you need often requires being able to work on those paint-types. For some guys, they'll rarely work on a repaint, let alone various ones. So, if in the polishing process they only make small adjustments, or one adjustment at a time (JUST the amount of liquid, or JUST the pad, or JUST the speed, etc.), they've got a much better chance of "getting there", even though they had never worked on the paint-type beofre.
9:26 Me
What accounts for more of the correction . Pad / Machine / Liquid??
9:27 CONCOURS.JOHN
Well said Kevin. My belief nothing will replace a test section.
9:27 Flash Gordon
speaking of amish. what is up with that amish mafia show? those guys would get their asses handed to them where i come from
9:28 Ron Ketcham
As I understand your response, you are saying that there is no one "easy-one fits all" answer, that the detailer must do his due dilegence to make things work?
9:28 Kevin Brown
As to microfiber: they work spectacularly with the large stroke machines, however... a foam pad can actually finish some jobs quicker because of the way each type of pad deals with .... paint residue!
9:28 Nanolex US
I'll say Machine.
9:28 hybridhacker
I took it as we need to know how to adjust our technique to make it work.
9:28 Paul Sparks
Test spot-very important IMO
9:28 Flash Gordon
thx kb!
9:29 Me
how many people are finishing with a Rupes?
9:29 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, may I "hi-jack" for a moment, your night regarding the asked question?
9:29 hybridhacker
I do I do!
9:29 mikenap
I've used it for finishing with good results
9:29 Kevin Brown
Yes, Ron, but if a paint is "soft", the polishing guy is usually saying that the paint cuts rapidly. However, they tend to mention that it is so soft that is "hazes", or that the pad or liquid is causing "haze".
9:30 Sure!
9:30 Ron Ketcham
Not quite at that, but a "tip" as far as diagnois of a vehicle's finish.
9:30 Kevin Brown
Sure.
9:31 Me
test spot for correction as well as for finishing too -
9:31 Paul Sparks
agreed
9:31 mikenap
^always!
9:31 Flash Gordon
$5 shipping is AWESOME!!!
9:31 Me
not too many people talk about how important that is
9:32 Flash and his ADD
9:32 Flash Gordon
now if my cc will only go through....
9:32 Ron Ketcham
OK, simple, open the drivers side door and look for the build date, then inspect for "refinish", which there are many clues. All provide "information" as to what one may be dealing with. Age of the paint, refinish, etc. In simple terms, take a little time to save time and be aware of what they may be working with.
9:32 Greg Nichols
Kevin.....how mich longer till you have a training center.......
9:32 Barry Theal
Who let flash back by the way?
9:32 mikemurphy234
Great suggestion Greg.
9:33 C. Charles Hahn
As far as I'm concerned a "test spot" means taking the finish all the way from hammered to LSP ready
9:33 Me
lol - you did. Back when you had mod access
9:33 Hoytman
I agree with Charlie!
9:33 Kevin Brown
IF your common pad+polish+machine+procedure constantly turns out a fantastic result, but then a "soft" paint will NOT finish out without hazing or scouring, there's a very high likelihood that the residue (the paint that has been scrubbed from the surface) has buried and stuck your abrasive particles to the pad. The particles can no longer roll about, they can't adjust position, they can't cut to the same degree...
9:33 Me
and probably why you aren't a mod ant longer
9:33 any
9:33 mikemurphy234
LOL David. And it starts....
9:34 Hoytman
Kevin, Are you then saying that we need to change the pads or wash them rather than simply clean them on the fly?
9:34 Barry Theal
lol
9:35 Kevin Brown
This is the main issue most guy s are having. This dynamic gets much WORSE with microfiber because the strings bind together and trap residue and clumped particles. At this point the microfiber is not so "micro" anymore... and scouring ensues.
9:35 hybridhacker
Lets here some info on the future of BuffDaddy!
9:35 Me
Kevin - any chance of you coming out with you own machine???
9:35 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, EXACTLY!
9:35 Paul Sparks
As Greg and a few others have touched on, are there any plans for another NXTi or similar class type deal ?
9:36 hybridhacker
DF....it will be called....wait for it....The BUFFDADDY!
9:36 Nanolex US
lol
9:36 moderator2
hey everyone
9:36 mikenap
East coast NXTi............please!
9:36 Barry Theal
Hey Moderator
9:36 Kevin Brown
With foam though, the pad is still going to load with residue and debris, but eventually (particularly with large stroke random orbitals), the lateral motion and varying speeds and pad rotation is going to cause said residue to "fall off" the foam, and allow it to be re-crushed, re-dispersed, etc.
9:36 Me
oh boy...
9:37 Paul Sparks
Better late then never
9:37 C. Charles Hahn
Yes please, Mike
9:37 mikenap
9:37 hybridhacker
KB...with your above comment, would you say the 21 will tend to finish better because of this?
9:37 Me
We'll do it at Detail-Polooza 2013
9:37 Flash Gordon
guess who is the proud owner of a RUPES
9:37 gofast908z
I want the KBM (Kevin Brown Machine)
9:38 Barry Theal
NOt Fermani!!!
9:38 CONCOURS.JOHN
Pads and paint vary sometimes working the polish to its limits with water work. Some times keeping the pad superclean work. Change up of pads before the polish is "done" can help (with a primed pad" I dont take credit but give it to Kevin's writings but it has changed how I do things and does work.
9:38 mikenap
Nearly everyone here?
9:38 hybridhacker
Congrats Flash!
9:38 Paul Sparks
Congrats Flash !
9:38 Kevin Brown
Machine, some day, YES. Name, Buff Daddy, NO because Dodo uses it as a slang term for the DAS Pro-6.
9:38 NXT... YES!
9:38 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, and as I understand this sort of thing with a foam pad, the particles will "dry" and be easily removed with a stiff detail brush and some compressed air applied to the pad on the unit?
9:38 C. Charles Hahn
Detail-Polooza 2013, is that what you're calling the event next month DF?
9:38 gofast908z
alternative bodies could be cool *looks around*
9:38 mikenap
Great, ANOTHER Mike is here...
9:39 Flash Gordon
KB.....Has my unit been shipped yet?
9:39 gofast908z
haha
9:39 Paul Sparks
hahaha
9:39 C. Charles Hahn
lol
9:39 hybridhacker
It on your door step Flash!
9:39 Flash Gordon
SWEET!!!
9:39 mikemurphy234
Speaking of that Charlie. I can't make it that weekend...I'll be in Chicago.
9:40 Greg Nichols
If one thing about the rupes machine cuould be changed.....what would that be?
9:40 Kevin Brown
We're also wanting to do a live sand/polish session and have it run non-stop, until the car is DONE. We think that there is soo much to learn by watching, by taking questions and responding not only in word, but in action. We would like to attempt accomplishing this "street-style", not hi-end production
9:40 C. Charles Hahn
Ah, that's too bad Mike
9:40 hybridhacker
MAcco job!
9:40 Me
no way
9:40 Nanolex US
KB -Where and when??
9:40 Kevin Brown
CRAZY FLASH! Thanks, got me sale..!!!!!
9:41 hybridhacker
Add me to the list when that happens KB
9:41 mikemurphy234
Yeah I was looking forward to it
9:41 hybridhacker
Andrew has a car we could use for sanding! LOL
9:41 Mush-Mouth
I wish all the KB wanna bees would admit that they are sucking onto something that ain't theirs
9:41 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, when you use the "micro" sand paper disc, on the Rupes unit, do you lubricate the sanding disc with water only or do you add a bit of soap to add lubricity?
9:42 hybridhacker
^^^yeah taht!
9:42 Paul Sparks
When might this take place Kevin ?
9:42 Greg Nichols
would adding more stroke make finishing harder so the 21mm is the sweet spot?
9:42 C. Charles Hahn
Hey Tom
9:42 Tom Weed
Hi all
9:42 Paul Sparks
Hey Tom
9:42 Tom Weed
my son's bball practice went late
9:42 mikenap
hi tom
9:42 Mush-Mouth
Especially that Todd guy
9:42 moderator2
Hey Tom
9:42 Greg Nichols
OUCH! LOL
9:43 Paul Sparks
He's back !
9:43 hybridhacker
lol
9:43 Me
Todd who?
9:43 hybridhacker
I didn't say it!
9:43 Kevin Brown
Right Ron, on the pad cleaning, assuming there's not an abundance of liquid that has entered the foam. I still use a nylon brush to scrub away debris along the edge of the pad (it's where all the crunchy stuff accumulates because the pad acts as a squeegee of sorts along its edge, gathering up remnants that have come to rest on the polishing surface). I prefer compressed air, and a microfiber towel for general on-the-fly cleaning.
9:43 mikenap
Hybrid Todd
9:43 Barry Theal
lol
9:43 Nanolex US
Todd C ???
9:43 Barry Theal
Correct half a car?
9:43 lol
9:43 Mush-Mouth
both suck I think
9:43 mikemurphy234
LOL!!!!
9:44 Me
gona get ugly....
9:44 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, thanks for that reply.
9:44 Mush-Mouth
I think Todd 002 wants to be Todd 001
9:44 gofast908z
Why don't we keep it on subject? No need to fill the room with Drama when Kevin is taking HIS TIME to help everyone here.
9:44 Kevin Brown
Ron I don't add soap when I machine sand because I get sooo many bubbles (hard to see through), but I do use a trigger bottle of water to frequently rinse the disc clean.
9:44 Mush-Mouth
or is it vise vers
9:45 Paul Sparks
Any plans on these classes you can share at this time Kevin ?
9:45 Greg Nichols
did you see the two questions I posted above KB
9:45 C. Charles Hahn
Mush, this really isn't the time or place for that
9:45 AndrewBigA
kevin how are you doing man?
9:45 Me
Agreed - keep the crap out of here
9:45 Nanolex US
Agreed..
9:45 fabz
kevin are you saying you damp sand with the rupes?
9:45 Mush-Mouth
truth must be hurting people's feelings
9:46 Flash Gordon
yes
9:46 mikenap
No, trolling just gets old
9:46 gofast908z
^bingo
9:46 Me
Lets not feed him
9:46 Kevin Brown
So, a SUPER machinelloking for the questions greg...
9:46 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, the reason I mentioned the addition of a very small amount of a soap to the water, is that working with Merka and 3M, doing so releases the removed particles from the paper, reducing deep marring and extends the life of the sanding material. Doesn't take much, just a small "touch" of soap to the water used.
9:46 Kevin Brown
Yes.
9:47 gofast908z
Looks like Andrew is having connections issues...poor guy.
9:47 Flash Gordon
kb you stole my color
9:47 Autowerx
Ron, would ONR work? In a very low dilution.
9:47 AndrewBigA
im trying to make the chat larger
9:47 Hoytman
How much is a "small amount", or "touch".
9:47 Kevin Brown
Okay, got them.. stroke and changes...
9:47 CONCOURS.JOHN
its happening here too. go fast
9:47 Flash Gordon
nickel size
9:48 fabz
i mean the 21 for damp sanding - removal of severe scratcjes... 1500, 2000, 3000?
9:48 C. Charles Hahn
That's what I use Meguiar's #00 soap for Ron... super thin and doesn't "suds up" like most soaps
9:48 Ron Ketcham
hoyt, that would depend on the concentration of the soap you use. Basic is a drop or two into a quart of water.
9:48 gofast908z
ONR is going to give a slight film to cut through when sanding
9:48 AndrewBigA
how do i make the chat bigger?
9:48 gofast908z
this was a topic at NXT
9:48 AndrewBigA
popout then back in?
9:48 ehh
9:49 Hoytman
Thanks, Ron. That description is understood.
9:49 Tom Weed
Andrew, mines not working either
9:49 Me
POPOUT
9:49 gofast908z
DI water is the choice if i recall corrctly
9:49 Autowerx
got it. thanks!
9:49 Kevin Brown
No, I don't recommend that large a stroke be used for sanding, unless you have a REAL steady hand, and are able to laser-adjust to fine nuances of the panel. You've got a huge potential for edge-digging of the disc.
9:49 gofast908z
For the same reason, Megs Final Inspection has replaced ONR as my clay lube of choice as well.
9:49 Me
Really? I actually prefer ONR
9:50 Ron Ketcham
Gofast, DI water is not necessary for the sanding process, unless one is totally anal about such things.
9:50 Me
cleaner
9:50 michakaveli
greetings folks
9:50 Me
hey
9:50 fabz
can I find any videos of damp sanding with that electric palm machine on your website?
9:50 mikenap
Found it, Chris?
9:50 reparebrise
Ron, for paint prep using waterborne paints DI water is a must, just for your future info.
9:51 michakaveli
no doubt!
9:51 Flash Gordon
hello
9:51 Ron Ketcham
From my experience, if the soap does not contain any butyl component and is coconut oil based, it is all you need for such.
9:51 For Paint Prep, Yvan, yes, that is very important, but we are discussing "sanding before buffing".
9:52 Ben@Autopia
hey guys, its been fun, but have to go..have a good night
9:52 Autowerx
night
9:52 mikenap
later ben
9:52 C. Charles Hahn
later Ben
9:52 Hoytman
Obviously then, Dawn wouldn't be a good soap?
9:52 Paul Sparks
Later Ben. Thanks for hosting this.
9:52 Ron Ketcham
See you, the corner 7/11 is waiting for it's number one night guy to show up to work, Ben.
9:53 Me
3M has started using the term DAMP SANDING again: http://multimedia.3m.c...SSS--
9:53 reparebrise
since we do both in our shops, the only water that is not DI is what we drink
9:53 Me
night Ben
9:53 hybridhacker
KB, have you sold many of those Festool scrapers? It worked great on some sags/runs the other day.
9:53 Ron Ketcham
For wet/damp sanding, there is nothing wrong with Dawn, except it does have some other additives that are not required.
9:53 Kevin Brown
I don't think that 10.5mm offset is the "sweet spot" for anything necessarily, but I think that there's limit as to what is reasonable to use on a "project". If we only worked on motorcycles, such a large offset wouldn't be efficient for use because at the outer limits of the pad, you're not getting polishing 100% of the time. The larger the stroke, the less the outer "ring" will be polished (unless you had SO much stroke that the offset was larger than the pad, then ONLY the outer ring would be getting polished).
9:54 AndrewBigA
nice. now the chat is larger so i can read.
9:54 i like saying wetsanding. dampsanding sounds stupid
9:54 michakaveli
"popout" works nicely
9:54 Me
that's a revalation
9:54 mikenap
dampsanding
9:54 hybridhacker
How about moist sanding?
9:54 AndrewBigA
the popout wasnt working before for me
9:55 Me
user error
9:55 mikenap
^lol
9:55 Ron Ketcham
Kevin, for the "gear heads", what they may relate to is the term "torque".
9:55 Kevin Brown
In theory, couldn't we design a pad and machine that offered ZERO offset all the way to whatever we'd want, not any larger offset than the pad of course, otherwise the entire pad would orbit in a hulahoop circle.
9:55 gofast908z
Ron, I prefer the DI as it leaves no variables
9:55 reparebrise
can someone volunteer to send me the complete chat by e-mail, I have to get ot bed I have a flight in a few hours
9:55 gofast908z
As cheap as it can be sourced, why not?
9:56 CONCOURS.JOHN
Kevin curios on the CEROS what pad options are availible. Your thought on performance of the sizes?
9:56 Me
I will be posting the transcript on my thread here
9:56 Ron Ketcham
Then continue to use it, it's your personal choice, Hoyt and it works for you, that is fine.
9:56 Bill Holbrook
Kevin i dont know if you got my email just wanted to say thanks for the advice with 75 rupes.
9:56 reparebrise
how can we access it later
9:56 gofast908z
Welcome Jason
9:56 LilJayV10
Hi Jeff!
9:57 AndrewBigA
kevin its amazing how you can disect how the polisher works
9:57 Me
in my thread
9:57 AndrewBigA
in all my yrs i never paid attention to the tools like that
9:57 Greg Nichols
So a variable offset machine that is brushless would be ideal!
9:57 AndrewBigA
just know how to use them lol.
9:57 LilJayV10
KB is like a mad scientist, the way his mind works is amazing
9:57 Me
KB has taken this to a whole nother level
9:57 mikemurphy234
Sweet, thanks David. I have to crash also.
9:57 Me
bye
9:57 mikenap
later Mike
9:57 Greg Nichols
later murphy
9:58 Autowerx
Thanks for all this great knowledge gents! Have a good night.
9:58 C. Charles Hahn
Kevin, are you suggesting a DA where the user can select the amount of offset/stroke length they desire and dial it in to their needs? That would be a true game changer indeed....
9:58 Flash Gordon
its just now getting intresting. i'm hangin all nite long!!!
9:58 AndrewBigA
rupes shouldve oly let him sell it in the states lol
9:58 Greg Nichols
Yes hahn that is what he is thinking
9:58 AndrewBigA
only*
9:58 Ron Ketcham
Charles, now that would be a true engineering feat!
9:58 Flash Gordon
kb....will you autograph my machine with a sharpie?
9:59 gofast908z
later Mike!
9:59 C. Charles Hahn
later Mike
9:59 Paul Sparks
Like a adjustable cam for making the throw
9:59 CONCOURS.JOHN
Rupes biggest mistake is not to pay Kevin for future R&D
9:59 Kevin Brown
Imagine a ball of foam. first, cut a flat face onto the foam. Next, cut a portion of the foam away (like when you slice a section of an apple with a knife). If you had the "right" foam... you could use the flat face to get maximum throw, and then as you tilted the machine... you'd be shortening up the lateral throw of the machine.
10:00 mikenap
I like Paul's idea
10:00 Flash Gordon
that is unless you've already shipped it out ...
10:00 Greg Nichols
Rupes mistake is that they don't fly KB over to discuss things
10:00 Kevin Brown
Hi Bill, yes I got it and THANKS! I am glad to hear how well the LHR75 is working on those Cobra's! share some insight, please!
10:00
David Fermani
Forza Auto Salon
Chat History Continued
Ben@3D
New member
Wow, shame I had to leave so early. There was 35 in at the time. Went on another hour it looks like.
Thanks again Kevin for stopping by and passing on some of your detailing wisdom!
Thanks again Kevin for stopping by and passing on some of your detailing wisdom!
Paul Sparks
New member
Last nights chat was great. Kudos to Kevin for the giving of his time and the sharing of his expertise. Thanks to all the members that stopped by and contributed to the evening. This chatroom is a weekly event and it would be great to see a lot of the members from last night stop by more often and join in. We are always looking for suggestions on how to improve these sessions and who you would like to see invited in the future.
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the invite a few weeks ago. I actually stumbled onto the chat the other evening, but I did enjoy it.
Wanted to thank Mr. Brown for sharing his time with us.
It was my first time participating in a chat, so it took a little getting used to at first. Lots of comments popping in at one time, and that made it tough for all of us, imo, to try and keep up. I've shared some suggestions with Paul, and I'm sure that with additional suggestions from others along with a little trial and error these chats could really take off. I agree with Paul that the chats have great potential to be a great learning tool for all of us.
I'd also like to thank the moderators and the forum owner for allowing this sort of thing to take place.
One thing I think is really neat, and something I wasn't expecting, was logging in on the forum this evening and being able to read the chat "chatter". That's really nice for the folks that weren't able to participate.
I don't know to many of you folks over here, but I do recognize some of the names and I feel last nights' chat had some great talent participating for me to learn from. I like to clown around some just like most of you, but I also like to give my full attention to the guest speakers. I really liked how Ron (don't recall the last name) was asking some good questions and trying to keep things in-line a bit. The fast posting makes it a bit tough to focus.
I'd also like to take this time to thank Paul, Garry Dean, and Charlie Hahn, all who've been super nice to me and have all helped me get my feet wet to a much higher degree, and they've all offered me solid advice at one time or another, either through numerous phone calls, emails, or pm's. Thanks guys.
Once again, a big thank goes out to Kevin Brown for his time in the chat room.
Thanks for the invite a few weeks ago. I actually stumbled onto the chat the other evening, but I did enjoy it.
Wanted to thank Mr. Brown for sharing his time with us.
It was my first time participating in a chat, so it took a little getting used to at first. Lots of comments popping in at one time, and that made it tough for all of us, imo, to try and keep up. I've shared some suggestions with Paul, and I'm sure that with additional suggestions from others along with a little trial and error these chats could really take off. I agree with Paul that the chats have great potential to be a great learning tool for all of us.
I'd also like to thank the moderators and the forum owner for allowing this sort of thing to take place.
One thing I think is really neat, and something I wasn't expecting, was logging in on the forum this evening and being able to read the chat "chatter". That's really nice for the folks that weren't able to participate.
I don't know to many of you folks over here, but I do recognize some of the names and I feel last nights' chat had some great talent participating for me to learn from. I like to clown around some just like most of you, but I also like to give my full attention to the guest speakers. I really liked how Ron (don't recall the last name) was asking some good questions and trying to keep things in-line a bit. The fast posting makes it a bit tough to focus.
I'd also like to take this time to thank Paul, Garry Dean, and Charlie Hahn, all who've been super nice to me and have all helped me get my feet wet to a much higher degree, and they've all offered me solid advice at one time or another, either through numerous phone calls, emails, or pm's. Thanks guys.
Once again, a big thank goes out to Kevin Brown for his time in the chat room.
cghcgjxjian
New member
I'll be there for sure! Honestly don't much care what the topic is;
sdgnsfhnjian
New member
I'll be there for sure!
