are you happy with Obama's progress so far?

[CHEVYMAN]

Well maybe it needs to be said again because you just don't get it. (or understand).You know some people have to be told something twice because they have a hard time comprehending. And as far as the caps , no I'm not getting worked up at all. Believe me someone like you with no idea of what your talking about can't get me worked up...........it's comical if you think about it.:rofl Tell you what come back when you have the real facts and maybe we can talk!!! (look no caps)

 

[WAS]

Well maybe it needs to be said again because you just don't get it. (or understand).You know some people have to be told something twice because they have a hard time comprehending. And as far as the caps , no I'm not getting worked up at all. Believe me someone like you with no idea of what your talking about can't get me worked up...........it's comical if you think about it.:rofl Tell you what come back when you have the real facts and maybe we can talk!!! (look no caps)

Right, so you're going in circles because I "don't get it". Because I obviously haven't been replying to you in this thread at all, right ?



Real facts ? You constantly insult other nations health care systems without knowing a thing about them, and you want ME to come back when I have facts ? I've challenged everything you've said, and you haven't come back with anything other than simply arguing with me. You haven't proven or backed up a thing of what you've said. You did attempt once in post #136, but when I replied to what you said, you went immature again and said "keep drinking that kool-aid". You have an opinion on a subject, and you can't even be taken seriously because all you do is act immature, reference kool-aid over and over, TALK ALL IN CAPS, and insult every other nation's health care system without ever having seen / used them, or at a minimum, educated yourself on them.



Again, and I think this is the 5th or 6th time I've said this to you (I guess you need to be told more than twice), have you talked to the detailer on this forum who's homeless and near bankrupt because of your health care system ? Like you said earlier, have you asked him "what happened to working hard" ? Please, fill us in on how that conversation went.

 

[CHEVYMAN]

Every time I do reply with the facts you give me the same crap over and over (That is a exception to the rule). So don't pull your b.s. with me because i won't fall for it like everyone else you b.s. Good day!! Homeless with a computer ? Amazing.

 

[imported_bigfoot1]

First, let me start off by saying that I'm a Canadian citizen, and have been for my entire life sauve the first 2 years. I have spent quite some time in the USA, everywhere from Florida, to Phoenix, to Maui to Pittsburgh. I love America, and I've often seriously thought about going after a green card.



Now, one thing that I COMPLETELY hate is the American health care system. A system where you have to pay for health care insurance, and even then, depending on your policy, you might still be SOL. Some will disagree with me, but in my opinion, health care is a universal human right. It should not have "user fees" attached to it. A person should not have make a choice between their cancer medication and their mortgage, or putting food on the table for their family. I love Canada's universal health care. Some will argue that yes, we pay more taxes (it depends actually, sometimes it's pretty dead-even with the US), but I wouldn't trade our universal health care for an extra $10K a year on my pay cheque, not a chance. Afterall, what good is money (or anything for that matter) if you're dead.





As for Obama, remember that he's got a lot to deal with. He was left with over half a trillion dollars of debt, a broken economy, a mortgage crisis, unemployment that skyrocketed, and of course 2 wars, one of which is a complete mess. The president could have been Obama, Biden, Palin, McCain, it doesn't really matter, because a huge political, financial and military mess was left from 8 years of W holding office, and that doesn't get cleaned up in 1.5 years. My opinion anyways, as an "outsider looking in".

Key point right there. Lots to deal with in a short period of time. Need to work one thing at a time before getting everything else straight. Cut him some slack...

 

[WAS]

Every time I do reply with the facts you give me the same crap over and over (That is a exception to the rule). So don't pull your b.s. with me because i won't fall for it like everyone else you b.s. Good day!! Homeless with a computer ? Amazing.

A single example of someone who went to the USA for treatment doesn't prove that our universal health care system doesn't work. For every example you gave me, I could find 3 or 4 examples of similar issues in America. So what ? No system is perfect, and you will ALWAYS find unique stories that don't fit the norm. I find it interesting that you think I'm "pulling b.s." with you, could you please explain how and why I'm doing this ? Could you also enlighten me on what the purpose would be for me to do this ? I'm simply trying to find out what makes you so against universal health care, and so far, the only reasons you've actually given us is that you're scared of the government running your payment system and you have these wild ideas of how you're going to get screwed by it. In other words, you have socialist fears.



I'm not sure if the individual actually owns a computer or not, or if he's using a friends or public one. The little bit of common respect I had for you just went out the window, as I thought it would. You must feel like a pretty big man, trying to be sarcastic and downplaying someone else's misfortunes. I am disgusted by you, as I'm sure most other decent human beings would be as well.

 

[imported_Yal]

As for Obama, remember that he's got a lot to deal with. He was left with over half a trillion dollars of debt, a broken economy, a mortgage crisis, unemployment that skyrocketed, and of course 2 wars, one of which is a complete mess. The president could have been Obama, Biden, Palin, McCain, it doesn't really matter, because a huge political, financial and military mess was left from 8 years of W holding office, and that doesn't get cleaned up in 1.5 years. My opinion anyways, as an "outsider looking in".

That pretty much says it all. Nothing short of a miracle was going to fix this mess. add, Palin, Tea Party and Oil spill in the gulf to that mix and I'm actually impressed he's still sane.

 

[MSOsr]

Didn't he run on the promise he would fix all of the problems? And won't you admit he's made things worse with the unbelievable spending that hasn't helped the economy at all?



At least Reagan had a plan that would get us through the Carter misery index problems: cut taxes and stimulate the economy. Doubled income tax revenues in 8 years.



Mike

 

[CHEVYMAN]

Didn't he run on the promise he would fix all of the problems? And won't you admit he's made things worse with the unbelievable spending that hasn't helped the economy at all?



At least Reagan had a plan that would get us through the Carter misery index problems: cut taxes and stimulate the economy. Doubled income tax revenues in 8 years.



Mike

Well said !!! This guy has done nothing but surround himself with a bunch of people that hate this country. He's going to turn this into a WELFARE COUNTRY .Where every one has to depend on the Government. Smaller Government it was is needed. Now he is going to start to make it easier for people to afford to buy housing DA! We already went through this and that was Fanny&Freddy(WHAT?) Have we not learned our lesson? I guess not. Here comes the loans for people who can't pay them back. Oh and i'm sure some one on here is going to reply it's the fault of "Bush" Lets put that to rest i think it's about time for Obama to start to take responsibility for what he has now created. Stop the blame game and man up. It's not working and the poles show it. 43% wow that's low.

 

[Bunky]

The last Bush administration followed the same tax cut approach twice without cutting spending (just like Reagan) so the deficit went up. The view was the economy would outgrow it (smaller percentage of GDP). However, the economy did not recover in the same way as it did during the Reagan years. The primary jobs added were in the service area.



Obama pushed through a tax cut that covered 95% of the Americans (something some seem to forget) and that did not save the economy.



The problem with the current economy is that many jobs (like many manufacturing jobs) have permanently disappeared. They will not be coming back. Most big businesses and Wall Street are less interested in American jobs. They are interested in making money any way they can.

 

[WAS]

Well said !!! This guy has done nothing but surround himself with a bunch of people that hate this country. He's going to turn this into a WELFARE COUNTRY .Where every one has to depend on the Government. Smaller Government it was is needed. Now he is going to start to make it easier for people to afford to buy housing DA! We already went through this and that was Fanny&Freddy(WHAT?) Have we not learned our lesson? I guess not. Here comes the loans for people who can't pay them back. Oh and i'm sure some one on here is going to reply it's the fault of "Bush" Lets put that to rest i think it's about time for Obama to start to take responsibility for what he has now created. Stop the blame game and man up. It's not working and the poles show it. 43% wow that's low.

Yes, because your entire government currently hates the United States of America. Yes, that makes absolute and complete sense. Get a grip on reality, your uber-socialist fears come out in anything and everything you say, it's really getting old.



Yeah, Bush did a LOT in 8 years to hurt America. Your economy, your foreign policy, and the rest of the world's respect for you all went into the dumps under Bush. Obama has had one and a half years thus far to clean up. Let's also not forget that Bush started with a STRONG economy and a strong country left over from 8 years of Clinton. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Obama fix everything in the next 3 months, but that simply isn't realistic. He is, however, working and changing things, so one can't say that there hasn't been any progress what-so-ever.

The last Bush administration followed the same tax cut approach twice without cutting spending (just like Reagan) so the deficit went up. The view was the economy would outgrow it (smaller percentage of GDP). However, the economy did not recover in the same way as it did during the Reagan years. The primary jobs added were in the service area.



Obama pushed through a tax cut that covered 95% of the Americans (something some seem to forget) and that did not save the economy.



The problem with the current economy is that many jobs (like many manufacturing jobs) have permanently disappeared. They will not be coming back. Most big businesses and Wall Street are less interested in American jobs. They are interested in making money any way they can.

Couldn't have said it better myself, +1

 

[wytstang]

Yes, because your entire government currently hates the United States of America. Yes, that makes absolute and complete sense. Get a grip on reality, your uber-socialist fears come out in anything and everything you say, it's really getting old.



Yeah, Bush did a LOT in 8 years to hurt America. Your economy, your foreign policy, and the rest of the world's respect for you all went into the dumps under Bush. Obama has had one and a half years thus far to clean up. Let's also not forget that Bush started with a STRONG economy and a strong country left over from 8 years of Clinton. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Obama fix everything in the next 3 months, but that simply isn't realistic. He is, however, working and changing things, so one can't say that there hasn't been any progress what-so-ever.





Couldn't have said it better myself, +1

Bush kept us @4.9% unemployment his entire term (iirc), second Bush did not inherit a "strong" economy he inherited Clintons recession (no where near what we have now). Bush took us out of that recession via tax cuts using the trickle down economics (it worked).

and the rest of the world's respect for you all went into the dumps under Bush

Why do foreigners think we care what they think of us? When the rest of the world can defend itself without crawling to us then we might care what they think. Until then let them cry.

Obama pushed through a tax cut that covered 95% of the Americans (something some seem to forget) and that did not save the economy.

Did you really expect $13.xx for each tax payer to save the economy? Yeah me neither. Oh and "something some seem to forget" is Taxocrats have had control of most of capital hill (minus the white house) since 2006.

 

[MSOsr]

I didn't get the $13, so I really didn't feel as if I was getting a tax cut.....oh...by the way, I didn't hire any employees as a result either. I'm one of those guys who started his own company and has done everything I can to not GET RID OF EMPLOYEES. The trillion dollar stimulus bill never did anything toward keeping my firm going and didn't SAVE any of my firm's jobs (I went without paychecks to keep everyone employed). My competitors have reduced their number of employees.



If Obama wants to save the economy, he needs to maintain the Bush tax cuts and reduce capital gains and small business taxes. That's the only way the private sector is going to start hiring again.



Mike

 

[spotter]

I am curious what the American Public will think when they receive their W-2's for 2010 and it shows the health care benefits they received through their empolyer and start scratching their heads to realize that this information was accumulated so that it could be taxed going forward (probably a tax will get pushed through after the November elections). Of course this won't last that long for most Americans since most businesses will not be able to afford to provide health insurance for employees after 12/31/13 even if they can afford to grandfather their current health insurance plans for a couple of years.

 

[WAS]

Bush kept us @4.9% unemployment his entire term (iirc), second Bush did not inherit a "strong" economy he inherited Clintons recession (no where near what we have now). Bush took us out of that recession via tax cuts using the trickle down economics (it worked).

November 11, 2008

U.S. Unemployment Rates Under President Bush Continue to Climb



U.S. unemployment rates under President Bush have reached a 14-year high. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment climbed to 6.5 percent in October, as the country shed 240,000 jobs. U.S. unemployment rates under President Bush have certainly increased--for example, the unemployment rate for October 2007 was 4.7 percent. So far this year, the country has lost 1.2 million jobs, and over half of the decrease took place in just the last three months. Some suggest the situation could grow more bleak: Goldman Sachs projects the unemployment rate will reach 8.5 percent by the end of 2009. Another source I spoke with recently believes it could soar as high as 10 percent in the near future.



Perhaps some research into your own government's statistics is a good idea ?

Why do foreigners think we care what they think of us? When the rest of the world can defend itself without crawling to us then we might care what they think. Until then let them cry.

Why is it that people with self-centered minds always come up with the "defending" argument ? War and self-defense have their place, I absolutely agree, but statements like this are just plain ignorant. This has nothing to do with "America bashing". I'm simply saying that maybe America and Americans should look at how others are doing things (here we're talking about health care specifically), because not everything that America does is necessarily the best way of doing it. As for not caring what foreigners think of you, that's fine, but starting with that type of mindset is why you're not open to different ideals.

 

[Bunky]

Here is the 1998 to 2010 unemployment rates from the US government. Bush took over Jan 2001 and Obama took over in Jan 2009. This does not match some comments posted on what it was when Clinton, Bush, and Obama were in charge.



The Bush results were more about deficit spending funded by tax cuts and fighting two wars that were not paid for (not offset by much spending cuts). Obama has passed one tax cut but rather than cut revenue even more prefers to deficit spend in targeted areas. The Bush approach is no more fiscally responsible (getting to a balanced budget) than Obama's approach.

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[CHEVYMAN]

November 11, 2008

U.S. Unemployment Rates Under President Bush Continue to Climb



U.S. unemployment rates under President Bush have reached a 14-year high. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment climbed to 6.5 percent in October, as the country shed 240,000 jobs. U.S. unemployment rates under President Bush have certainly increased--for example, the unemployment rate for October 2007 was 4.7 percent. So far this year, the country has lost 1.2 million jobs, and over half of the decrease took place in just the last three months. Some suggest the situation could grow more bleak: Goldman Sachs projects the unemployment rate will reach 8.5 percent by the end of 2009. Another source I spoke with recently believes it could soar as high as 10 percent in the near future.

This info that they get is from one of those left wing propaganda magazines. These progressives always want to blame everything on Bush. Give it another 2 years and they will still be blaming Bush..:rofl

 

[CHEVYMAN]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Obama fix everything in the next 3 months, but that simply isn't realistic. He is, however, working and changing things, so one can't say that there hasn't been any progress what-so-ever

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl: You can't be serious Thank GOD your there and not here because you have noooooooooooooooooo clue. Now you know why i say "keep drinking" pal.

 

[CHEVYMAN]

Hey "WAS" Where is your smart a** remarks for this one ? , you seem to have the answer to everything:

I am curious what the American Public will think when they receive their W-2's for 2010 and it shows the health care benefits they received through their empolyer and start scratching their heads to realize that this information was accumulated so that it could be taxed going forward (probably a tax will get pushed through after the November elections). Of course this won't last that long for most Americans since most businesses will not be able to afford to provide health insurance for employees after 12/31/13 even if they can afford to grandfather their current health insurance plans for a couple of years.

 

[CHEVYMAN]

Or this one:

I didn't get the $13, so I really didn't feel as if I was getting a tax cut.....oh...by the way, I didn't hire any employees as a result either. I'm one of those guys who started his own company and has done everything I can to not GET RID OF EMPLOYEES. The trillion dollar stimulus bill never did anything toward keeping my firm going and didn't SAVE any of my firm's jobs (I went without paychecks to keep everyone employed). My competitors have reduced their number of employees.



If Obama wants to save the economy, he needs to maintain the Bush tax cuts and reduce capital gains and small business taxes. That's the only way the private sector is going to start hiring again.

 

[rdorman]

This sort of reminds me of the iPhone, vs Droid, vs Blackberry, vs name your favorite phone sort of thread. Pick the one that works best for you, customize it to your liking as best as you can.... and be happy! There is no, and there never will be a "perfect" system of any kind in the world, ever. In the short time we have, all we can do is improve what we can to the best of our abilities. And don't worry about the **** that we can't. End of story.