Alternative to Zaino
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thesacrifice
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Optimum Poli Seal topped with Aquawax looks amazing for me.
I may try some z5pro after the poli seal is done, but AW is sticking around for the long run.
I may try some z5pro after the poli seal is done, but AW is sticking around for the long run.
during winter i was using the Polylack NanoClean + NanoSeal under my carnauba LSP
not sure if you guys have access to that product in the US, it may be sold under the CarLack brand which is basically the same product
its an acrylic with identical setup to Klasse AIO + SG. You buff the NanoClean on then wipe the NanoSeal straight over the top of the NanoClean - let cure for 30-45mins
i was really happy with it, worked great for protection and looked optically perfect. The problem i had with Z2-Pro, worked like a charm on my old silver Alfa, but on a solid black Z being a daily driver, i would see new swirls and light scratches every month. And with Z2-Pro on the paint, i couldnt get out the Menzerna FPII and use my polishing pal to remove them by hand - the stuff was too strong to cut through. The NanoSeal did cut through with repeated passes, and on a whole the car was easier to maintain swirl/scratch free
im keen to try a new acrylic sealant though for comparison. The JW line looks tempting, ill have to do a search for some pics/reviews
this is my car with NanoSeal as an LSP (black does look a little flat - less gloss than Z2-Pro)
vs what it looks like now with Swissol Concorso (much wetter and only slightly diminished optics)
not sure if you guys have access to that product in the US, it may be sold under the CarLack brand which is basically the same product
its an acrylic with identical setup to Klasse AIO + SG. You buff the NanoClean on then wipe the NanoSeal straight over the top of the NanoClean - let cure for 30-45mins
i was really happy with it, worked great for protection and looked optically perfect. The problem i had with Z2-Pro, worked like a charm on my old silver Alfa, but on a solid black Z being a daily driver, i would see new swirls and light scratches every month. And with Z2-Pro on the paint, i couldnt get out the Menzerna FPII and use my polishing pal to remove them by hand - the stuff was too strong to cut through. The NanoSeal did cut through with repeated passes, and on a whole the car was easier to maintain swirl/scratch free
im keen to try a new acrylic sealant though for comparison. The JW line looks tempting, ill have to do a search for some pics/reviews
this is my car with NanoSeal as an LSP (black does look a little flat - less gloss than Z2-Pro)
vs what it looks like now with Swissol Concorso (much wetter and only slightly diminished optics)
MBurnickas
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apotelyt, not only is Zaino expensive through the Singapore dist, but the guy is also a major jerk. Zaino and other companies can't deliver becasue they can't be shipped by air. You have to have a big order so it can be shipped, and it doesn't make sense to do that for one person. That's why you have to use a distributor, and it happens that the Zaino guy over there isn't cool at all. Too bad cause Zaino is good stuff. I don't blame you for going elsewhere though. People in Singapore tend to go with klasse, werkstat is basically the same stuff regardless of what people say. FK1 is also becoming very popular in Singapore. I would go with #885 though, it's a very durable wax.
I kind of hate bashing products, as Zaino is a good comprehensive system; However if you are not satisfied with the results, there are IMO many alternatives in both sealants and carnauba products that should be able to meet or exceed your expectations.
You want to be able to accomplish the finish that you desire with the budget that you have established. If you want a carnauba type finish, then your best bet will be to try and compare several very good carnaubas against each other and against Zaino, instead of expecting Zaino to look like a carnauba finish. Zaino has a much different look and feel to its result, and it can be competitive in its own merit with the right handling.
Personally, since I've discovered the virtues of Zymol, I haven't looked back. Zymol's Estate Glaze waxes more than exceeded my expectations that was not fulfilled by other lsps and the subject sealant. However, you will need to find what will work for you once you've decided that Zaino isn't cutting it (for whatever reason that it isn't fitting the bill).
You want to be able to accomplish the finish that you desire with the budget that you have established. If you want a carnauba type finish, then your best bet will be to try and compare several very good carnaubas against each other and against Zaino, instead of expecting Zaino to look like a carnauba finish. Zaino has a much different look and feel to its result, and it can be competitive in its own merit with the right handling.
Personally, since I've discovered the virtues of Zymol, I haven't looked back. Zymol's Estate Glaze waxes more than exceeded my expectations that was not fulfilled by other lsps and the subject sealant. However, you will need to find what will work for you once you've decided that Zaino isn't cutting it (for whatever reason that it isn't fitting the bill).
Slickery said:
slickery, thks for pointing this out. I wish Sal will open up the Zaino distribution in Asia rather than allowing it to be controlled by the Singapore dist. This could be one of the downfalls in the distribution system and why its taking so long for Zaino to reach other parts of Asia. Sal, i hope you're listening.
3fiddyz said:
I see no BS, maybe you should reread his site claims. :secret
JEFFS Werkstatt: the finest in automotive detailing wax and sealants
JEFFS Werkstatt was founded in 2005 with the mission to provide the highest quality automotive protectants and appearance products at any price, without the gimmicks and without the hype. Just solid products. We're a small company here, but we've partnered with some of the largest chemical companies in the world and some of the most respected auto detailing manufacturers to meet our goal. If we couldn't find it, we made it. If we couldn't make it, we found a specialist who could.
3fiddyz said:
How is it a rip? He is the US importer for Carlack and as the importer, he gets to name the product for distribution here. If you are in Europe, I am sure it is cheaper to purchase Carlack instead. I do think some of the Prime offshoots and CJ are something he exclusively sells, but I am not 100% sure.
I know it is Carlack because originally eShine of Canada was going to import Carlack under the Shokar name. That deal fell through but knowing how impressed I was with Shokar, Chris was kind enough to let me know that Jeff's Werkstatt was going to be the US importer and directed me to the website. Personally, I don't much care who his supplier is, it is cheaper to buy from Werkstatt than order Carlack from Europe and factor in the product line flat rocks, I will continue to buy from Werkstatt.
SilverLexus
Super Enthusiast
I wonder how different Jeff's formula is from the Klasse line? They seem to look the same to me. Carlack makes Klasse AIO and SG as well.
3fiddyz said:
Honestly, I am not sure why it even matters. It is an excellent product line no matter whose name is on the label. :nixweiss
And yes, Carlack is mentioned on the website, so yes, you are correct, you did miss it.
JEFFS Werkstatt: the finest in automotive detailing wax and sealants
TRADEMARKS
JEFFS Werkstatt, "For the Love of Gloss", CARLACK USA, the JEFFS Werkstatt logo, the JEFFS Werkstatt roundel logo, "High Performance Gloss", "The Art of the Detail", Jett, and Prot are trademarks of JEFFS Werkstatt and are protected by U.S. and international trademark laws. You are prohibited from using any of the marks appearing on this website without the express prior written consent of JEFFS Werkstatt, except as permitted by law.
Lee-Carlack 68/Werkstatt are nano-acrylic formulas and having used both Klasse and Werkstatt, while they are similar, they aren't exactly the same. Prime leaves a slicker and better looking finish than AIO and AJ has a noticably deeper look than SG does, plus it doesn't leave that weird silvery sheen on black (when viewed at an angle) that SG does. My 2/3rds full 32oz bottle of AIO has been virtually untouched since I started using Prime.
Scottwax said:Honestly, I am not sure why it even matters. It is an excellent product line no matter whose name is on the label. :nixweiss
And yes, Carlack is mentioned on the website, so yes, you are correct, you did miss it.
JEFFS Werkstatt: the finest in automotive detailing wax and sealants
TRADEMARKS
JEFFS Werkstatt, "For the Love of Gloss", CARLACK USA, the JEFFS Werkstatt logo, the JEFFS Werkstatt roundel logo, "High Performance Gloss", "The Art of the Detail", Jett, and Prot are trademarks of JEFFS Werkstatt and are protected by U.S. and international trademark laws. You are prohibited from using any of the marks appearing on this website without the express prior written consent of JEFFS Werkstatt, except as permitted by law.
Lee-Carlack 68/Werkstatt are nano-acrylic formulas and having used both Klasse and Werkstatt, while they are similar, they aren't exactly the same. Prime leaves a slicker and better looking finish than AIO and AJ has a noticably deeper look than SG does, plus it doesn't leave that weird silvery sheen on black (when viewed at an angle) that SG does. My 2/3rds full 32oz bottle of AIO has been virtually untouched since I started using Prime.
i was being serious
had i of known the JW line was the same as the Polylack ive been using for the past year i wouldnt have bothered searching and reading all the reviews
looks like ive saved myself some cash then
3fiddyz said:
That's the effort everyone shopping in different distribution territory has to undertake, whether be it for automotive polishing products, or automotive appearance/performance products, or tools, or foods, or whatever. I would have seen a reason for complaint if there were two distributors going after same market and neither divulging they are same product but in this case distributor didn't introduce confusion in the market as they are single product distributor in certain market and they didn't go after market outside one of their own, individual shopper ventured outside their market.
3fiddyz said:
While it is comforting to know one hasn't spend uneccessarily think positive. What was the worst thing that could have happened? You would have just had more of a good product you already like and use, so no loss there, and it doesn't seem that would have introduced serious depletion of your budget either.
imported_DieselMDX
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I am using zaino now on my 2 vehicles, although I am happy with them i will be trying JW this summer to see if I can get some more depth to the color.