imported_RZJZA80
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brownbob06 said:
I couldn't agree more.
A few thoughts about HD Speed
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I couldn't agree more.
imported_RZJZA80
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pwaug said:
I wouldn't say that exactly, at least not to me personally. Yes he's a long time detailer and good and all that, but his responses have not exactly been "hey man let's figure this out and help you get on the right track".
brownbob06
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^^^ I think that's what's going on here. Instead of trying to help figure out what the problem is, the response is "here is what I can do with it, if you can't finish like this its your problem." Followed by unprofessional bickering.
brownbob06
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How about "what speed and machine are you using? How much pressure? What pads? How many passes are you making? How big of an area are you working on? I can personally finish out great with this product, try (insert helpful tip) and let me know if things get better.
A little bit of genuine interest in helping people goes a long way.
A little bit of genuine interest in helping people goes a long way.
SVR
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Being passionate about something can be good and bad, some go over the top and love a product so much that they can't shutup about it, I'm slightly like that with Xpert's two single polish systems, because after 105 brands tested and too much money spent, I finally found something that makes paint refinishing so much easier
Thomas is well known here and goes way back and it's only now that I even faintly know the man behind the name
Now I don't believe that 3D HD UNO was the first single polish system, System One from Tom Horvath has that title me thinks, my preference of polishes from Xpert (at least the 1000 Ultra Polish) I'm pretty sure has been out longer than Uno (10 years) but Xpert and 3D and their two SP systems I feel lead the industry at the moment.
well thomas having lots of experience with each version of Uno would certainly be able to do alot with them
if any pro said to an amateur or enthusiast, here is what I can do with it, if you can't finish like this its your problem." then that's just wrong. tonnes of experience as a pro and with the product vs someone who is still travelling the learning curve and is years or decades behind in skill level
lots of variables and science behind polishing. I respect Thomas immensly, the mans one hell of a pro with the sanding and the refinishing of paint. so I doubt he would of said exactly that
Thomas is well known here and goes way back and it's only now that I even faintly know the man behind the name
Now I don't believe that 3D HD UNO was the first single polish system, System One from Tom Horvath has that title me thinks, my preference of polishes from Xpert (at least the 1000 Ultra Polish) I'm pretty sure has been out longer than Uno (10 years) but Xpert and 3D and their two SP systems I feel lead the industry at the moment.
well thomas having lots of experience with each version of Uno would certainly be able to do alot with them
if any pro said to an amateur or enthusiast, here is what I can do with it, if you can't finish like this its your problem." then that's just wrong. tonnes of experience as a pro and with the product vs someone who is still travelling the learning curve and is years or decades behind in skill level
lots of variables and science behind polishing. I respect Thomas immensly, the mans one hell of a pro with the sanding and the refinishing of paint. so I doubt he would of said exactly that
Dan
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RZJZA80 said:
Oh boy, the ignorant card...lol. I know the results I get with it on various paints. So either I'm ignorant and have magical power when it comes to detailing, or more likely you lack the skills to use the product.
The reason so many products are sold as professional only, is because of that fact, application is not bubba proof. Certain products.... Meguiars.... are loaded with oils. You can use them incorrectly and still get great results.
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Thomas Dekany said:
So what color/type pad should I be using? It was just the other day you said black was fine with speed?
[quote name='gooshster']The are products like Duragloss that shine as good if not better than poxy. QUOTE]
Moving on from this disagreement---I was a Zaino user for many years, but switched to DG a few years ago not because I was unhappy with Z products, but because I was tired of the pricing and shipping costs. DG105 mixed 4 to 1 with 601 (topped with Aquawax) has become my go to LSP. Love the look which I feel is warmer than Z2 and it's hard to beat the durability and ease of use of DG105. A couple of months ago when I first recieved a bottle of POXY I threw a coat on top of the 105 with a red pad on speed 4 just for the heck of it. I really was very surprised at the improvement in look--still all the gloss of 105, but a much richer, warmer, wetter, carnuba look--really stunning. Even my golf buddies, who are not Autopians by any means, noticed the difference. Give it a try!!
Moving on from this disagreement---I was a Zaino user for many years, but switched to DG a few years ago not because I was unhappy with Z products, but because I was tired of the pricing and shipping costs. DG105 mixed 4 to 1 with 601 (topped with Aquawax) has become my go to LSP. Love the look which I feel is warmer than Z2 and it's hard to beat the durability and ease of use of DG105. A couple of months ago when I first recieved a bottle of POXY I threw a coat on top of the 105 with a red pad on speed 4 just for the heck of it. I really was very surprised at the improvement in look--still all the gloss of 105, but a much richer, warmer, wetter, carnuba look--really stunning. Even my golf buddies, who are not Autopians by any means, noticed the difference. Give it a try!!
Thomas Dekany
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I was just kidding. Black is an excellent pad to jewel the paint with SPEED. To cut, you will need a white polishing pad at least. Even with an orange pad the paint will look great.
Damn Dirty Ape said:
I used Speed with a B&S Orange pad on hard VW paint on speed 6--it removed 95% of the light to medium wash marring and finished great. However, I did need to do 6 firm pressure passes and 2 lighter pressure passes so it took some time but was ready for LSP afterwards.Damn Dirty Ape said:
Thomas Dekany
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brownbob06 said:
Since you are talking about RZ, here is what he said about himself
I really thought from his previous posts, that he was a pro doing it for a living, so "in this case" asking the suggested questions would have been disrespectful in my opinion.
Believe it or not, I have genuine interest in helping him and everyone else. Not sure why you would think that I don't really care. Anyway.
The above statement concerns me the most - with the exception of flat black paints "I" have been able to use UNO from start to finish and had not 1 case where UNO didn't finish LSP ready. Even the original version finished perfect for me, though, the variety would haze if overworked. One quick extra pass would remove the hazing and leave an LSP ready finish. How much better the latest UNO is, I can't even tell you. The previous version, V4, we demonstrated at SEMA, in front of thousands on flat black paint, using a rotary. Even Tom Horvath tried it out and liked the finish UNO left behind, and the panel was sanded first with 1200 grit paper. You'd use UNO with a wool to cut, orange to polish, and red to finish. The 2010 or 2011 Japanese detailing (who knew such competition existed)
champion also really enjoyed using it and could not believe that we asked him to use 1 product with 3 pads. Jason Kilmer was another very well known detailer who loved the product. I could go on and on about how many others were impressed with HD UNO, but that is not important for now.So, if RZ says he has done all he could with a variety of polishers and pad combinations, and UNO mars no matter what, I can think of 2 possibilities. He was sent a "defective" product, somehow the formula was wrong, after all his bottle of HD POLISH he also had issues with (the product is too thick and he didn't like it much if I recall correctly) or it is his detailing skills. If there is another possibility, please point it out. I say only 2, because UNO is a very easy product to use.
So I will ask RZ to send me a sample, and I will test it. Don't worry, I'll pay for shipping and if it is the product, I will pay for a new bottle for him and refund his initial purchase including shipping.
Sincerely
Thomas Dekany said:
HD UNO - flex 3401 orange pad from Patrick
ZAIO - pcxp gray 3m pad
Z2 - flex 3401 green ccs pad
Z8
Z16 x2 on tires
FK1 FX100 on wheels
You proved my point. You may have used UNO when it came out, also when the company gave many of the "pros" on autopia free product to use. But look at the other products you used. I dont see another 3D/HD product listed. Why is that? If you now say all their products are the best how come you were not using them. Im sure all the products were available in 2007. Its because you werent working for them.
I never said a business should not promote their products, they absolutely should. My point was that you shouldnt be rude and criticize someone who is giving their opinion on a product.
Thomas Dekany
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I really don't understand your posts.
One can be either right or happy. You can't be both. I want to be happy.
So I will leave it at that.
It seems that you want to be right. At least get your facts rights. Because from where I am reading your posts, you are not doing a very good job.
2007? What is that?
BTW, I paid for all those bottles of UNO. I sure wasn't one who received free stuff.
And please quote where I said all their products are the best?
One can be either right or happy. You can't be both. I want to be happy.
So I will leave it at that.
It seems that you want to be right. At least get your facts rights. Because from where I am reading your posts, you are not doing a very good job.
2007? What is that?
BTW, I paid for all those bottles of UNO. I sure wasn't one who received free stuff.
And please quote where I said all their products are the best?
gooshster said:
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This was the very first panel I used HD UNO V1 on.
HD UNO, with the HD UNO orange pad. (no longer available) PCXP, speed 6, lots of pressure, and worked it in real good. there was some hazing, so added 1 small drop of UNO and quickly went over the area. Wiped off the residue and this is what I saw.
This was sometimes in August 2009 and I didn't know of another product that could do this using a PC.
I was exited to say the least.
June 10 2012
HD UNO, Original Optimum Micro Fiber pad, Griots PC, speed 5 little pressure
I started with this
P1080630 by thomasdekany, on Flickr
After 1 pass, UNO wiped off with no effort, revealing an LSP ready finish
P1080633 by thomasdekany, on Flickr
HD UNO, with the HD UNO orange pad. (no longer available) PCXP, speed 6, lots of pressure, and worked it in real good. there was some hazing, so added 1 small drop of UNO and quickly went over the area. Wiped off the residue and this is what I saw.
This was sometimes in August 2009 and I didn't know of another product that could do this using a PC.
I was exited to say the least.
June 10 2012
HD UNO, Original Optimum Micro Fiber pad, Griots PC, speed 5 little pressure
I started with this
P1080630 by thomasdekany, on Flickr
After 1 pass, UNO wiped off with no effort, revealing an LSP ready finish
P1080633 by thomasdekany, on Flickr
Thomas Dekany
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pwaug said:
Cutting pad
imported_RZJZA80
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Dan said:
WHen I say ignorant, it's not you as a person, it's your knowledge about others who don't get certain results. Unless you are actually there and see for yourself something isn't being done crrectly, you can't say it's user error or they're not doing it right. I only used myself as an example.
imported_RZJZA80
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pwaug said:
With that many passes, wouldn't it have been easier/quicker to just polish it and top it off with an LSP? If you make enough passes with almost anything, it will eventually cut some.
imported_RZJZA80
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Thomas Dekany said:Since you are talking about RZ, here is what he said about himself
I really thought from his previous posts, that he was a pro doing it for a living, so "in this case" asking the suggested questions would have been disrespectful in my opinion.
Believe it or not, I have genuine interest in helping him and everyone else. Not sure why you would think that I don't really care. Anyway.
The above statement concerns me the most - with the exception of flat black paints "I" have been able to use UNO from start to finish and had not 1 case where UNO didn't finish LSP ready. Even the original version finished perfect for me, though, the variety would haze if overworked. One quick extra pass would remove the hazing and leave an LSP ready finish. How much better the latest UNO is, I can't even tell you. The previous version, V4, we demonstrated at SEMA, in front of thousands on flat black paint, using a rotary. Even Tom Horvath tried it out and liked the finish UNO left behind, and the panel was sanded first with 1200 grit paper. You'd use UNO with a wool to cut, orange to polish, and red to finish. The 2010 or 2011 Japanese detailing (who knew such competition existed)
So, if RZ says he has done all he could with a variety of polishers and pad combinations, and UNO mars no matter what, I can think of 2 possibilities. He was sent a "defective" product, somehow the formula was wrong, after all his bottle of HD POLISH he also had issues with (the product is too thick and he didn't like it much if I recall correctly) or it is his detailing skills. If there is another possibility, please point it out. I say only 2, because UNO is a very easy product to use.
So I will ask RZ to send me a sample, and I will test it. Don't worry, I'll pay for shipping and if it is the product, I will pay for a new bottle for him and refund his initial purchase including shipping.
Sincerely
You assumed I'm a pro, I only said I know what I'm doing as everything else I've tried works well, some better than others, but still well. Concerning UNO, I thought with all the hype I've read about it being the greatest thing since sliced bread, it would blow me away, make 105 look like a fools toy, my expectations were way up in the sky and I was extremely anxious to jump on it and use it as my mainstay. Maybe that's why I was so disappointed with the results, I set myself up for failure, who knows? I only really compared it to 105 since that's what I wanted it to replace, anything to get rid of that nasty dusting. But my results weren't as yours have been, and others obviously. And keep in mind, I used UNO with H20 pads (which with everything else, finish down almost LSP if not LSP ready) and Megs MF cutting pads, and there's no way it could finish LSP ready by itself, I have no idea how you are doing it or what's really going on. Maybe the paints you have used it on are just night and day different than what I used it on, I don't know.
It's possible it's a defective product since my HD Polish is clumpy and thick, as you saw in the picture I posted, when it's supposed to be more fluid like, I can't really say. Maybe the Speed I got in the same order was defective also, I really can't say. If you want me to send them all back I can, no problem. But I'm sure the results will be, they're just fine, it must be user error.