2007 Lexus ES

I'm really dissapointed in this. We'll have to see better pics, but this thing looks awkward, and that interior oval deal? Whats up with that?



The new IS, GS, and LS all came out so well. The ES is by far their best selling car, you'd think they could have done this up right too.



I'll keep mine until I can afford an LS460.



As for the ES and the Avalon, have you driven both? The Avalon drives nothing like the ES. Also, how is it a better value? They're about the same price, and with the Lexus you get:



1. Lexus Prestige

2. Real Wood

3. Better warranty

4. Better service

5. Better resale

6. A car built in Japan



Seems like the ES is the better value to me.
 
Wow, I think the 07 ES looks pretty good. The only thing I might not like is how the two center vents are "indented" into the dash. Otherwise the outside looks sharp. I guess I will wait to see it in person.
 
Curious to how much they will raise pricing....I see in the pic that they are gonna do the keyless ignition and entry like the other newer models. My dad has the 06 GS so the interior looks similiar as far as some of the deisgn cues and materials from what I can see in the pic.
 
I'm sure the price will remain pretty much the same. I'd suspect the top ultra luxury package (with the panoramic roof etc) will be $42k or so.



I'm hoping that better pics and seeing the car in person will me more appealing, but the main thing that bothers me is that oval top of the dash, thats just totally out of left field, none of the other L-Finesse cars have anything like that...
 
GoodnClean said:
I'm hoping that better pics and seeing the car in person will me more appealing, but the main thing that bothers me is that oval top of the dash, thats just totally out of left field, none of the other L-Finesse cars have anything like that...
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Yep, that's exactly what i'm talking about.....maybe it will react with me differently in person. Overall, the car looks more sporty and more appealing to me at least.
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
It reminds me of a Buick design touch. $42k is just too pricey for a Camry with a fancy sunroof.
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$42k?? Aren't the current ones only in the mid-30s??? $42k is way too much for an ES, in my opinion...I'm not in that demographic, but if I were, I would much rather prefer a TL or an Avalon for value...
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
It reminds me of a Buick design touch. $42k is just too pricey for a Camry with a fancy sunroof.
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The ES is more than a Camry with a fancy sunroof, over 70% of the car is unique to the ES, they ride different, drive different, the ES has better noise insulation and better materials. Totally different body panels, totally different interior. Better dealer network, better warranty, better resale, built in Japan vs the US. As a matter of fact I was talking with a woman at the car show that was thinking about trading her RL in on an 06 ES, and she mentioned that she drove the Camry and the Avalon and niether drove nearly as nice as the ES.



The haters can say what they want, but the truth is the truth and the ES is clearly Lexus' best selling car. Related to the Camry or not. I love mine and it gets better with age.



Given the current market I don't think $42k is too much. The old one topped out at $38-39k (mine was fully loaded except AVS and chrome wheels which aren't availiable on the east coast and it was $39,670, the AVS chrome wheel car on the west coast was $41k) and they sold 80,000 of them remember. The $42k model will be the Ultra Luxury model with the panoramic roof. The middle of the road $37k or so car will be the bulk seller, just like the $35k mid-road ES is now.



Keep in mind the new IS tops out at $47k.
 
I think you just want them to be different. I certainly cannot tell that much of a difference. They both have terrible steering and mashed potato tuned suspension. This isn't terrible--many driver's love feeling disconnected. They mistake this for "refinement."
 
Geez Corey, thank goodness we have you around to set us straight. Heaven forbid anyone here mistake their "overpriced Camry" (read Lexus) for a refined motorcar.



And,what was that special knowledge or experience that enables you to derive such insight? Your years of experience test driving on the 'Ring? Designing high performance parts for German tuning firms?



If you're going to make such obnoxious judgements, you better have some cred to back you up.
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
I think you just want them to be different. I certainly cannot tell that much of a difference. They both have terrible steering and mashed potato tuned suspension. This isn't terrible--many driver's love feeling disconnected. They mistake this for "refinement."
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My wanting them to be different doesn't change the fact that 70% of the vehicle is different.



Its my car, and I like it.



Everyone on Autopia is welcome to join the detailing forum at the LOC, Lexus or not. We have a couple Autopians there and would love some other visiting dignitaries.



GoodnClean out...
 
OK, folks, let's cool it down a little. We are all entitled to our opinions. But we need to keep it to that (not over-do it) and not get mean or antagonistic.



You say tomato, I say tomaaaato! :getdown
 
Who says 70%? It just seems like something a Lexus salesperson was told so that they could get a customer to spend the extra money.



There's a serious double standard among people here. They'd love to rag on Buick for being boring, touting that their cars are "more refined", when in reality they're just better at making the driver feel nothing at all. It's as though people do not want to remember having driven somewhere at all. If that's the main goal for a vehicle then fine, but I guess I have a different idea of what a car should be.
 
I think you just want them to be different. I certainly cannot tell that much of a difference.
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Corey, there are significant differences. My wife has a 2001 Camry and I have the 2004 ES. They really are two different cars in terms of driving, handling, cabin noise, and very noticeably finish and fit. You can see real differences in the quality of the paint, since the painting process has more stages at Lexus.
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
Who says 70%? It just seems like something a Lexus salesperson was told so that they could get a customer to spend the extra money.



There's a serious double standard among people here. They'd love to rag on Buick for being boring, touting that their cars are "more refined", when in reality they're just better at making the driver feel nothing at all. It's as though people do not want to remember having driven somewhere at all. If that's the main goal for a vehicle then fine, but I guess I have a different idea of what a car should be.
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It's called different tastes, Corey. Some people like fine wine others drink beer. Some like a thick steak others are vegan. Some like Meguiar's others like Zaino If you don't like one that doesn't make the other bad. That is just the way life is so get used to it. Me, I prefer my MR2 for that "drivers feel" and my Lexus for touring. I like both and see a need for both. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I've owned several Camrys and they are very fine cars. I've owned a few Lexus as well. I can tell you unequivocally that the Lexus is quieter and has a better, more controlled and smoother ride. The materials used are better too.
 
See now, why couldn't you have posted this way the first time?



They'd love to rag on Buick for being boring, touting that their cars are "more refined", when in reality they're just better at making the driver feel nothing at all. It's as though people do not want to remember having driven somewhere at all. If that's the main goal for a vehicle then fine, but I guess I have a different idea of what a car should be.
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Thats stating your opinion, and thats something we can discuss. There's nothing insulting or demeaning about that at all.



This on the other hand is just being a jerk:



I think you just want them to be different. I certainly cannot tell that much of a difference. They both have terrible steering and mashed potato tuned suspension. This isn't terrible--many driver's love feeling disconnected. They mistake this for "refinement."
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This is saying that the car is crap and that anyone who likes the way it drives is a moron that doesn't know how a car should drive. This is terribly insulting and demeaning and has no place on a mature board like this.



Why you feel the need to start these confrontations with your opinions I don't understand.



Anyways, jfel said it best everyone has different opinions. Thats why we have such a wide variety of vehicles to choose from. Some people must like the way Lexus builds cars because they're the best selling luxury marque in the US, and they sell 80k ES' specifically a year. As for the Camry, you may dislike it, but its been the best selling car in the US for 7 years, so again someones gotta like it.



Just because you don't like something doesn't mean its not a good product. Spend your money on what you like, but don't come in here telling all of us that we don't know what "refinement" is because we spent our money on what we like.
 
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/02/08/chicago-auto-show-lexus-world-debut-es-350/



It does have a soft suspension, it does have numb steering, it is pretty unbalanced. Well, okay, the last thing doesn't matter to 99% of buyers. So, okay, we have the soft suspension and the numb steering. Now I guess this is more of a problem if it were a Pontiac or BMW and were lead to believe the car was designed to be "sporty" (but look at this new ES--it's anything but sporty in style. Although it has some crisp lines--aside from the interior circle thing going on--what is with that anyway..............................................gosh what is with that interior.....it's like Lexus threw a horse shoe in there, literally).



And to be honest Toyota's steering is worlds better than Audi's (which is just starting to thaw out from numbartica).



And the soft suspension. You got me there. I don't like a jarring ride, but the ES and Camry are a bit TOO soft. For me. I guess buyers really like that....hm.
 
I've drove both the ES and Camry. I get Camrys everytime my Audi is in for service. I can tell everyone that there is definitely a big difference between the ES and Camry. Would I buy either?? Probably not, but I prefer the more "buttoned down" and "connected" feeling that European cars are renowned for and the Asians cannot duplicate. However, in defense of Toyota/Lexus, no other manufacturer can duplicate their quality and service after the sale. It all comes down to preference. I will check out the new IS AWD when my A4 lease is up.



P.S. I traded my '03 A4 for an '05.5 with the new grill. I like the controversy it adds to an otherwise low key car!!
 
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