1 layer of Zaino *easily* protecting at 56 weeks !!!

[Setec Astronomy]

Explain why the Porsche's rear bumper was flat with water (like the red sable Thomas posted) and the rest of his car was beading like that.

Why was there no beading on the rear bumper? Did you forget to Zaino that? That's a little disingenious of you to not take pictures of nor mention parts of the car that had zero beading and then title the thread the way you did.

 

[imported_memnuts]

Why was there no beading on the rear bumper? Did you forget to Zaino that? That's a little disingenious of you to not take pictures of nor mention parts of the car that had zero beading and then title the thread the way you did.

I believe Sean did mention the areas that had poor to no beading.



"I detailed this 997 C4S just over 56 weeks ago (Porsche 997 C4S - Detailed) and was happy to see that Zaino was still protecting well on 90%+ of this Porsche. All but the area around the exhaust and skirts had a strong level of beading and good paint slickness while washing. The detail over a year ago consisted of Z-PC followed by Z5 Pro (ZFX'd) and Z8. The bonded contaminants were minimal and were able to be removed with 1-2 passes of Zaino Z18 clay."

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I believe Sean did mention the areas that had poor to no beading.

Um...actually he said: "All but the area around the exhaust and skirts had a strong level of beading" which is a little different than saying they had "poor to no beading" or "the Porsche's rear bumper was flat with water (like the red sable Thomas posted)" and leaving those areas out of the pictures.



Is the glass half full or half empty? The connotation is a little different depending how you couch it. Couldn't the title of this thread have been "Zaino completely dead after 56 weeks" with pictures of flat water on the bumper and the aside that the other 90% of the car still had strong beading even though it wasn't shown in the pictures? Would that have been less accurate?



PS I really like Zaino but this rah-rah stuff from you guys makes me want to throw the stuff in the garbage.

 

[imported_memnuts]

Um...actually he said: "All but the area around the exhaust and skirts had a strong level of beading" which is a little different than saying they had "poor to no beading" or "the Porsche's rear bumper was flat with water (like the red sable Thomas posted)" and leaving those areas out of the pictures.



Is the glass half full or half empty? The connotation is a little different depending how you couch it. Couldn't the title of this thread have been "Zaino completely dead after 56 weeks" with pictures of flat water on the bumper and the aside that the other 90% of the car still had strong beading even though it wasn't shown in the pictures? Would that have been less accurate?



PS I really like Zaino but this rah-rah stuff from you guys makes me want to throw the stuff in the garbage.

So I guess we must avoid topics that praise the performances of LSP's, MF's, Polishes, Washes, etc? My goodness there are so many QEW/ONR, Vintage, AW, etc, etc presenting the same formatted discussions without anyone crying foul. :nixweiss

One must understand that reporting data involves so many variables that direct relationship to one's own experiences may not be the same.

A great example is the Bird Poop write-out about UPG's ability to withstand such assaults and dwell in-situ for days without causing damage. In his case, UPG probably did stand up but in other cases, even just one is too many, poop will cause severe etching and ruin someone day by believing that they will experience the same results as the OP.



Personally, I find it nice to read others experiences with all products. I weigh its value, take heed and move on. I find it most satisfying when someone reports they have found a product, any product, that brought them satisfaction and performance they find worth praising:2thumbs: .

 

[Setec Astronomy]

So I guess we must avoid topics that praise the performances...

That's ridiculous. How about we just have a balanced topic, ie, well it was great on 90% of the car and complete crap on the other 10%, with pictures of both, and perhaps ask for opinions on why it held up so well on some of the car but not on the rest? Instead of the rah-rah only report the good and leave out the bad.

A great example is the Bird Poop write-out about UPG's ability to withstand such assaults and dwell in-situ for days without causing damage. In his case, UPG probably did stand up but in other cases, even just one is too many, poop will cause severe etching and ruin someone day by believing that they will experience the same results as the OP.

For the record, I used the word INSANE to describe the OP in that thread. In fact, at your suggestion, I will return to that thread and caution everyone that they may not get the same results. Is anyone from the beta-tester side of the fence going to fess up that at least 10% of your car may be unprotected by Zaino after 56 weeks, so that no one's day will be ruined by thinking that Zaino will protect all of their car for 56 weeks (in the garage) with little-to-no maintenance?

 

[94BlkStang]

Explain why the Porsche's rear bumper was flat with water (like the red sable Thomas posted) and the rest of his car was beading like that.

To be fair as to the longevity of the product could you fill in some of the important details as you mentioned it's a garaged vehicle.



How often (miles) was the car driven during that time?



Does the car ever sit out for any extended period of time?



How often did he wash and with what product)?



How often did the car get QD'd?



Does it ever get driven in inclement weather and how often? (many garage queens that are of this caliber are often only driven in short spurts on beautiful days)

 

[Todd@RUPES]

I really should stay out of this but.....



Setec, you constantly come on any thread to point out anything that down grades Zaino. Why do you feel this impacts your life so much? Who cares who has what fans? Does it matter to you? Or have are you the self appointed barer of truth? (Of course your truth is just that yours). You must really value your opinion.



He clearly stated that the Zaino wasn't protecting in certain areas, and now you are grasping for straws by stating that he didn't take pictures? Are you kidding? He could have left that out. Its pretty sad when your only remaining argueement is that he didn't take pictures (though openly admitted it) of the area? Are you seriously serious, or do you sit around laughing at yourself for getting people fired up?



I rarely read anything positive you have to say. The funny thing with people like (who blurt there thoughts out) is that you really believe people care about your opinion and you are enlightened. The Chicago Tribune had a report several months ago, only about 10 percent of Americans are actually entitled to voice their opinions, so you are not alone.



And now your stuck because he didn't post a picture of something he freely admitted. Talk about holding on to an arguement by a thread... While you sit around laughing as you are the bringer of your own truth, remember that the rest of us are sitting around laughing at you...

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I really should stay out of this but.....



Setec, you constantly come on any thread to point out anything that down grades Zaino. Why do you feel this impacts your life so much? Who cares who has what fans? Does it matter to you? Or have are you the self appointed barer of truth? (Of course your truth is just that yours). You must really value your opinion.



He clearly stated that the Zaino wasn't protecting in certain areas, and now you are grasping for straws by stating that he didn't take pictures? Are you kidding? He could have left that out. Its pretty sad when your only remaining argueement is that he didn't take pictures (though openly admitted it) of the area? Are you seriously serious, or do you sit around laughing at yourself for getting people fired up?



I rarely read anything positive you have to say. The funny thing with people like (who blurt there thoughts out) is that you really believe people care about your opinion and you are enlightened. The Chicago Tribune had a report several months ago, only about 10 percent of Americans are actually entitled to voice their opinions, so you are not alone.



And now your stuck because he didn't post a picture of something he freely admitted. Talk about holding on to an arguement by a thread... While you sit around laughing as you are the bringer of your own truth, remember that the rest of us are sitting around laughing at you...

Hey, thanks for that insight, man.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

FWIW, I detailed a car that is garage kept and driven monthly, and had last been detailed 11 months ago with Zymol Carbon, and was still beading water like crazy. Conditions play the biggest factor in a how long a product lasts IMO, and very few would argue that Zaino lasts a very long time in very bad conditions!

 

[imported_memnuts]

Is anyone from the beta-tester side of the fence going to fess up that at least 10% of your car may be unprotected by Zaino after 56 weeks, so that no one's day will be ruined by thinking that Zaino will protect all of their car for 56 weeks (in the garage) with little-to-no maintenance?

I would hope that anyone that even performs minimal exterior maintenance would add protection prior to 56 weeks to at least to the areas that require more frequent applications. If that were my Porsche it would not go beyond weeks, if driven daily without some sort of protection augmentation.



I guess for completeness, a picture of the bumper may add "unnecessary clarity" for those that believe there is a conspiracy occurring. I personally see "real-life examples of panels denude of protection whenever it rains. A unprotected panel will look the same no matter what the degraded LSP was.

In my case a picture denoting such would not be necessary or required.

The statement of "90%" and locations was clear and fair enough.IMHO.:xyxthumbs

 

[Setec Astronomy]

FWIW, I detailed a car that is garage kept and driven monthly, and had last been detailed 11 months ago with Zymol Carbon, and was still beading water like crazy. Conditions play the biggest factor in a how long a product lasts IMO, and very few would argue that Zaino lasts a very long time in very bad conditions!

So if conditions play the biggest factor, it doesn't really matter what products you use, so we don't need threads like this, right?

 

[Todd@RUPES]

Hey, thanks for that insight, man.

I'm sure it as much appericated as your constant negative insight about everything...

 

[imported_memnuts]

Actually, this discussion is good. There is nothing wrong with drawing out more information about Sean's observation of this Zaino experience. This will enlighten members that are less informed about durability variables.

My only problem with some of the questions is their tone.

Let's keep it civil and explore this case.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

So if conditions play the biggest factor, it doesn't really matter what products you use, so we don't need threads like this, right?

And I guess its your self appointed job to point this out? Or do you do this out of boredom?

 

[TortoiseAWD]

TH0001,



Please knock it off. You've taken several shots at Setec, and he hasn't taken the bait. You're trying to make this personal, and there's no need for it.



Thanks,

Tort

(moderator)

 

[94BlkStang]

Actually, this discussion is good. There is nothing wrong with drawing out more information about Sean's observation of this Zaino experience. This will enlighten members that are less informed about durability variables.

My only problem with some of the questions is their tone.

Let's keep it civil and explore this case.

I agree and thus the reason I asked some questions. Blanket statements on durability are fine, but without all the details it really doesn't tell us much about something like longevity or quality of the product, especially since that can't scientifically be proven as it's all subjective as to what protection is.



:buffing:

 

[imported_memnuts]

I agree and thus the reason I asked some questions. Blanket statements on durability are fine, but without all the details it really doesn't tell us much about something like longevity or quality of the product, especially since that can't scientifically be proven as it's all subjective as to what protection is.



:buffing:

Excellent questions and composition of such. :bow

To be fair as to the longevity of the product could you fill in some of the important details as you mentioned it's a garaged vehicle.



How often (miles) was the car driven during that time?



Does the car ever sit out for any extended period of time?



How often did he wash and with what product)?



How often did the car get QD'd?



Does it ever get driven in inclement weather and how often? (many garage queens that are of this caliber are often only driven in short spurts on beautiful days)

 

[Todd@RUPES]

TH0001,



Please knock it off. You've taken several shots at Setec, and he hasn't taken the bait. You're trying to make this personal, and there's no need for it.



Thanks,

Tort

(moderator)

His only contribution to this forum is to constantly knock people or products. If I am going to be warned for thinking negative of his persona, should he be warned or banned for his negative influence. I cannot recall one positive thing he has said (though I don't read every post).



Knocking somebody for not taking pictures of something they admitted borderlines on senseless...

 

[NSXTASY]

Zaino threads sure do get people posting, huh? The picture doesn't look like a testament



to Zaino protection, and the thread title says "easily protecting", it sure doesn't look



easy. Are we unable to have a discussion about Zaino, or does it always have to turn all



emotional?

 

[TortoiseAWD]

I cannot recall one positive thing he has said (though I don't read every post).

Then perhaps you should read more. I just examined Setec's posting history, and don't see see the negativity that you claim. He's not a Zaino cheerleader, no . . . but that's completely different from "constantly knock(ing) people or products".



It's not an "orchestrated attack". I promise.



Tort