1 layer of Zaino *easily* protecting at 56 weeks !!!

[Thomas Dekany]

I am not sure who is right, but here is my take on it. (I was just going to post this on it's own, but here it is) It has to have some sort of protection to beed like that. (porsche)



Pink wax DURING rain. (about 3 or 4 weeks old)

And a car that happend to be in front of me at the parking lot for comparison. Obviously no protection of any kind

 

[94BlkStang]

Not to dispute the effects of Zaino but in my experience a car that's been recently QD'd will also show some nice beading so it seems that it would be hard to know if it's the Zaino or the quick detailer that's making it bead. By the way, which QD does he use?

 

[stilez]

Well 90% of the cars around here bead water, not sheet it. I doubt that many people wax their cars down here, or anywhere for that matter.

So what's your argument?

Not to dispute the effects of Zaino but in my experience a car that's been recently QD'd will also show some nice beading so it seems that it would be hard to know if it's the Zaino or the quick detailer that's making it bead. By the way, which QD does he use?

Poorboy's Spray and Wipe.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

Awesome Sean! Zaino lasts a long time, and in a garaged enviroment, I don't think a year would be out of the question. In an open enviroment, the Zaino advantage is even more pronounced vs. other waxes/sealants...

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Hmmm....I wonder if you hit that red Sable with a Z7 wash whether the beading would improve? I agree that a year for a garaged car with ZFX'd Z-5 is not a stretch, but since "Z-7â„¢ Show Car Wash includes...several polymer ingredients from our Show Car Polish systems." (that's right from the Zaino site), I'm not sure that a Z7 wash before those pictures is an entirely fair test. Zaino beta-testers have posted here that the wash rejuvenates the "polish" layer.

 

[imported_memnuts]

Hmmm....I wonder if you hit that red Sable with a Z7 wash whether the beading would improve? I agree that a year for a garaged car with ZFX'd Z-5 is not a stretch, but since "Z-7â„¢ Show Car Wash includes...several polymer ingredients from our Show Car Polish systems." (that's right from the Zaino site), I'm not sure that a Z7 wash before those pictures is an entirely fair test. Zaino beta-testers have posted here that the wash rejuvenates the "polish" layer.

I would have to agree that Z7 did add something to the beading and protection. Quite similiar to an analysis of beading with a vehicle that is maintained with QEW/ONR washes.

Nevertheless, the owner stated that the vehicle maintained its beading even though it was washed with Gold Class shampoo. I don't know if GC adds protection. :nixweiss



Not being exposed to night and morning assaults did add greatly to the longevity of the protection also on this vehicle. Personally, I could not live without a garage and I commend o those Autopian that maintain their vehicles in show car condition without such.:bigups

 

[RCBuddha]

From the first picture I see the typically zaino sheeting action....

Zaino is formulated to sheet now? I thought beading was supposed to be what your looking for? Perhaps that is why I wasn't getting the "6 month" results that others have posted that they had gotten. <-- **trying to understand the characteristics of Zaino applications that are starting to decline**

Not being exposed to night and morning assaults did add greatly to the longevity of the protection also on this vehicle.

+1

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Zaino is formulated to sheet now? I thought beading was supposed to be what your looking for? Perhaps that is why I wasn't getting the "6 month" results that others have posted that they had gotten. <-- **trying to understand the characteristics of Zaino applications that are starting to decline**

Directly from the Zaino site:



"If a manufacturer claims that their polish/wax will bead water initially and then magically change to sheeting... I say impossible!!!! Let them prove that the polish/wax film protection initially applied is still there...



Until a specific test is developed and not some fake, razzle-dazzle test, these questions will remain unanswered and I will continue to use water beading, (height, contact angle and diameter) as a major factor in gauging a polish/wax protection.



P.S. Please remember that healthy paint will bead water without any polish/wax applied. This confuses many people to believe a polish/wax is lasting longer than they think."



(This page: Water Beading and Sheeting... as a Measure of Durability: Zaino Store )

 

[RCBuddha]

Directly from the Zaino site:



"If a manufacturer claims that their polish/wax will bead water initially and then magically change to sheeting... I say impossible!!!! Let them prove that the polish/wax film protection initially applied is still there...



Until a specific test is developed and not some fake, razzle-dazzle test, these questions will remain unanswered and I will continue to use water beading, (height, contact angle and diameter) as a major factor in gauging a polish/wax protection.



P.S. Please remember that healthy paint will bead water without any polish/wax applied. This confuses many people to believe a polish/wax is lasting longer than they think."



(This page: Water Beading and Sheeting... as a Measure of Durability: Zaino Store )

See, that's what I had thought I had read...

 

[Scottwax]

Directly from the Zaino site:



"If a manufacturer claims that their polish/wax will bead water initially and then magically change to sheeting... I say impossible!!!! Let them prove that the polish/wax film protection initially applied is still there...

Why is that so hard to believe a wax or sealant can change from beading initially to sheeting? I think with some products, the initial beading is caused by the carriers and oils and once those wear away after a couple of weeks, the sheeting begins.



I would have to agree though, that on paint older than 12-18 months, once the protection is gone, it won't bead at all. The paint lays flat like that red Sable Thomas posted.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

That Sable was also dirty, which I think has some bearing on it, however I will defer to Scott who sees a lot more and different cars than I do. The whole sheeting/beading issue is one that really needs some better definitions, etc...the people who say that an LSP "sheets" when the beads agglomerate and roll off the car...to me, that's not sheeting, that's a consequence of beading. Before I figured out that's what some people meant by sheeting, the red Sable was my idea of sheeting. We have several poorly defined terms, beading, sheeting, pooling :hairpull



As I said, I always thought of "sheeting" as the water flowing out into a sheet, like on that Sable (covering it like a sheet). If beads roll off, that's not sheeting...that's..er...beads that roll off.(?)

 

[Scottwax]

Mike-looks more to me like the water is just laying flat on that Sable. Whether or not Z7 can restore beading to a finish that no longer has any protection, like that car, I don't know. ONR has some mild protective properties but not enough in my experience to cause a surface completely devoid of protection to bead.



QDs will restore beading but for maybe a week or two, less if there is no wax/sealant left. Z8 will bead for several weeks based on my own use on finishes that are near the end of the wax/sealant's useful life.

 

[JaredPointer]

First, bare paint will not bead water.

I don't agree with that statement. I've had several cars & panels painted painted and they bead very nicely with no wax or LSP on them at all (after a clay session and alcohol wipe down I might add). I've also polished many a vehicle followed by an alcohol wipe down and wash, and they bead nicely as well. Bare paint will bead water.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

That's why I use it on EVERY car I do. Thanks for the update Sean.



Greg

I am just about 100% Zaino now as well although I do not do the volume that you do. On the dealer quickies I have been using Megs 66 and SuperBrite (I think thats what its called) Glaze that a friendly forum member sent me.

 

[stilez]

I don't agree with that statement. I've had several cars & panels painted painted and they bead very nicely with no wax or LSP on them at all (after a clay session and alcohol wipe down I might add). I've also polished many a vehicle followed by an alcohol wipe down and wash, and they bead nicely as well. Bare paint will bead water.

Jared: Sorry, I meant on a car like the Porsche I did. 1 year after any sort of polishing or deep paint care. I, too, have experienced polished + IPA'd paint or freshly painted paint to bead very well.

 

[P1et]

This is a picture of fresh paint with only Poorboys Spray & Wipe, two weeks afterwards.

 

[TrueDetailer]

Sorry, but the beading is very loose and unorganized. I have a feeling that's the paint beading the water, not the zaino. Bare paint beads water just like that, if you doubt it, just look at most people's cars in the rain, they look exactly like that.

I wouldn't say all paint beads like that without protection.



A newer car will though, alot longer than you would think. Go take a walk thru a new car lot after it rained and see.



How can you base your judgement on just water beading when you know cars(not all) can bead water without any protection. A year is long time to be sure there is still anything left on that paint. I'm not saying there is or there isn't, i'm just saying that 56 weeks is a big statement based on opinion and no scientific data showing there is infact zaino left.

 

[gmblack3]

Thanks for the report Sean.



I have had a good 8 months out of Z5pro x3 and CS on the wifes BMW here in the Atlanta area. As busy as I sometimes get detailing other cars its good to know that ours are well protected. It has been 3 weeks since I have washed any of our cars. Looks like I will not have enough time this week either.

 

[imported_memnuts]

Thanks for the report Sean.



I have had a good 8 months out of Z5pro x3 and CS on the wifes BMW here in the Atlanta area. As busy as I sometimes get detailing other cars its good to know that ours are well protected. It has been 3 weeks since I have washed any of our cars. Looks like I will not have enough time this week either.

A good problem to have Bryan.:usa



My sister-in-law gets about 1 year out of her Zaino'd (Z5 and Z2 - 1 coat of each) BMW that I detail for them yearly. She is extremely happy with the longevity of not only the protection but also the durability of the "just waxed" appearance after each monthly wash. This is in Newport R.I no less.

:clap:

 

[stilez]

I wouldn't say all paint beads like that without protection.



A newer car will though, alot longer than you would think. Go take a walk thru a new car lot after it rained and see.



How can you base your judgement on just water beading when you know cars(not all) can bead water without any protection. A year is long time to be sure there is still anything left on that paint. I'm not saying there is or there isn't, i'm just saying that 56 weeks is a big statement based on opinion and no scientific data showing there is infact zaino left.

Explain why the Porsche's rear bumper was flat with water (like the red sable Thomas posted) and the rest of his car was beading like that.