Zaino Z5 Or Meguiars?
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You don't mention your method of application, but if you are doing it by hand the #9 would take a lot of effort to remove much in the way of paint flaws. I also don't think the Z5 removes swirls so much as hides them.
If you are wanting to go the Zaino route, the Z-PC would seem to be the better choice to remove flaws, then use the Z5 as your LSP.
My personal experience with Meguiar's #9 was not bad, but it did take a lot of time, even with a PC. Meg's #80 with a polishing pad on a PC does a lot more in less time.
Having done swirl removal by hand and with the PC, I can't believe I once went to that much work.
The PC will do a decent job, but it still can't compare to a rotary. It also isn't as likely to cause problems in the hands of someone without polishing experience.
Charles
jaybs02
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I can't speak for the Zaino, but for the Megs #9 you may not get out that much.
But if you like the Megs line... I have gotten some excelent results with Meg's #83 by both PC and rotary
Just my $.02
"J"
But if you like the Megs line... I have gotten some excelent results with Meg's #83 by both PC and rotary
Just my $.02
"J"
Scott P
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Z-5Pro has a minimal effect on swirls. Z-PC would be a better solution if following up with the rest of the Zaino system.
wannafbody
wannafbody
a PC would be a wise investment
black bart
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I like M80 with a PC for removing swirls.
80 is much easier to use than 83 but it is milder so it will take longer.
If you are not experienced at this try a PC and Meg.80
nearly impossible to screw up and yet it will give excellent results.
80 is much easier to use than 83 but it is milder so it will take longer.
If you are not experienced at this try a PC and Meg.80
nearly impossible to screw up and yet it will give excellent results.
While I agree with what you are saying, the #80 might not be the best product to use as a prep for Zaino. I'm not sure if it contain's Meguiar's "Trade Secret Oils". It might not let the Zaino bond properly.
I do know that #80 topped with Meg's NXT Tech Wax looks awfully good as a combination. The durability of NXT Tech Wax is kicked around a lot and I have no idea how long it lasts. It lasted a month or more for me and I have read comments about weeks up to several months.
It probably doesn't come close to the durability of the Zaino.
Charles
black bart
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Your right Charles I overlooked the Zaino
That is just one of many reasons why I don't like Zaino it takes away so many options.
Also I don't like washing my car with dawn I prefer to leave that in the kitchen. :cheers:
Len_nA
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As an old-time Meguiar's user (for over thirty years, and a Zaino convert for many years now), you'll be lucky, even with a polisher, to get many swirls out with No. 9. One of many of their products that let me down. If you're going the Meguiar's route, then No. 2 will do a better job. No. 80 is decent as well, but I much prefer Zaino Z-PC, followed by Zaino AIO and then one of the Zaino sealants like Z5 Pro or Z 2 Pro. So far, I haven't been let down by that line of products.
black bart , if you want to even consider trying Zaino, start with the Zaino AIO and you can skip using Dawn or any other kitchen soap to strip the old wax off. And striping the old wax off is the only time you would use Dawn anyway, so please drop the exaggeration of making it sound like Zaino recommends using Dawn all the time.
black bart , if you want to even consider trying Zaino, start with the Zaino AIO and you can skip using Dawn or any other kitchen soap to strip the old wax off. And striping the old wax off is the only time you would use Dawn anyway, so please drop the exaggeration of making it sound like Zaino recommends using Dawn all the time.
blucpe
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i gotta say you guys amaze me you really know detailing, i guess it's what you all do. i think my car looks great the shine is crystal clear, depth, wet, slick, sorry no pics and beleive me i weish i some to show i will in the future. that being said, as great as it is i thought it looked as good as it gets when i zainoed with z5x2 and z2x2 topped with nxtx2, but truth be told i bought halogen light after i did all that and there are a lot of marring and minor scratches. my question is do i have to strip the paint or can i use say an all in one and start over, what's your recommendation. what process should i follow? thanx for your input in advance.
derekbmw
light
well, you need to polish your paint. It'll strip your existing coat of sealant/wax.
blucpe
New member
thanx again for your input, should i strip it or just polish it on top of what i already have?:hmmm:
Len_A, take a breath...it's alright, really.
Washing with Dawn is still a recommended step from the Zaino website. And for a purpose which, if you believe (as most here do) that prep (normally consisting of muliple steps) is a requirement for the best results, is taken care of by the polishing step. Thus, IMO, rendering the recommendation pointless.
Washing with Dawn is still a recommended step from the Zaino website. And for a purpose which, if you believe (as most here do) that prep (normally consisting of muliple steps) is a requirement for the best results, is taken care of by the polishing step. Thus, IMO, rendering the recommendation pointless.
If you have marring, an AIO product may not be enough to do the job. I would use a swirl remover/polish to take care of the marring.
This answers your question about stripping/starting over.
Like Derek said, the polishing will take care of the stripping and prep for an LSP.
If you plan to use the Zaino system, you will have to get some of the Zaino users to fill in the blanks.
For instance:
Does Zaino recommend the Dawn wash or using Z-AIO after using their Z-PC or is the surface ready for your Z5-Pro after just the Z-PC?
Just my opinion, but I would give the NXT to a friend rather than use it as a topper over the Zaino. I wouldn't think the Z2-Pro would need a topper, but if you think it does, try some Souveran.
Charles
mgm2003
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Zaino recommends using a one time Dawn wash to remove any silicone oil from the paint, jams and other hard to reach areas.
This ensures that your LSP (Zaino Z2, Z5) bonds properly, and that you get maximum results.
This ensures that your LSP (Zaino Z2, Z5) bonds properly, and that you get maximum results.
audiboy
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In my opinion, any detailing product company that tells me to wash my vehicle with dish soap isn't getting my money. For me, I find it best that the dish soap stays in the kitchen and the automotive soap stays in the garage.
**Disclaimer--It's not my intent to bash anyone's products. I've seen vehicles that were detailed with Zaino and when used to their instructions, the vehicles look great. I just refuse to use a product when the manufacturer instructs me to use dish soap as a prep step. It's just a personal preference.
**Disclaimer--It's not my intent to bash anyone's products. I've seen vehicles that were detailed with Zaino and when used to their instructions, the vehicles look great. I just refuse to use a product when the manufacturer instructs me to use dish soap as a prep step. It's just a personal preference.
blucpe
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well thanx for all the great advice. i've got zainos fusion pc i'll give that a try first, if that doesn't work i 'll give klasse aio a shot i've heard good things about their products.:rockon
Not to take anything away from Klasse AIO, it really isn't a swirl remover.
I don't know anything about the capabilities of Zaino Z-PC, but from what I have read if the Z-PC doesn't remove your marring, I don't think Klasse AIO will do it.
Are you using a PC or a rotary for the swirl removal?
I don't think you have ever said how you are applying these products.
Swirl removal can be done by hand, but it is slow tedious work.
Charles
Bigs
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wannafbody
wannafbody
If using ZPC for prep you can skip a dawn wash. ZPC and ZAIO have cleaning ability.
ZPC
ZAIO
Z5P
CS
Z8 (optional)
ZPC
ZAIO
Z5P
CS
Z8 (optional)