Could this be TURTLE WAX??!!

I detailed for over 10 years and only stopped in 2015 because of back surgery. I haven`t been on this forum in years but I got bored and decided to drop by. Not much new except some love for TW and their new product here. I probably gave away, threw away and pissed away several hundred dollars worth of stuff when I stopped. I kept a few things of course and me and the wife would wash/wax our cars together. It`s nice to just do your stuff and not have to deal with some POS that Bubba thinks the scratches will "wax" out and 35 dollars for a 8-10 hour detail is fair. So, not missing the detail biz one bit and lately YouTube has had much better in an educational sense information than any forum I`ve ever been on. I bought that 20 buck Mothers stuff and frankly, it wasn`t very good. I actually gave it to the kid at O`riely`s as I bought the TW. My first impressions are very positive and like the Camaro guy, after a rain and it looks fine.

For what it`s worth, anybody looking at detailing for yourself or maybe getting into it as a part time enterprise. Don`t get blinded by the hype and claims from the boutique stuff, don`t think you`ll save money buying in bulk, - OK - let me explain, 8 oz of Wonder Goo is 10 dollars but you can get a gallon for 75. So you get the gallon and Wonder Goo sucks big time, now you`re out 75 instead of 10, see how that works? To be fair, it took me a couple times before I figured that out! Don`t get snobby, that 17 adjectives wax that`s like a car payment isn`t any better than the cheap stuff, and ONLY the idiots that spent $$$ will disagree.

Lastly - PLEASE for everything you call holy, take care of your back! Surgery was successful for me, but I still remember my surgeons last words to me when he cleared me to go back to work after 13 weeks, take care of your spine or you`ll be seeing me again and it won`t be pretty.
 
There are still a lot of detailers out there that haven`t noticed Max has perfected the art of wallet emptying. They make great products but excel at getting people to buy way more than they need.
 
Junebug said:
I detailed for over 10 years and only stopped in 2015 because of back surgery. I haven`t been on this forum in years but I got bored and decided to drop by. Not much new except some love for TW and their new product here. I probably gave away, threw away and pissed away several hundred dollars worth of stuff when I stopped. I kept a few things of course and me and the wife would wash/wax our cars together. It`s nice to just do your stuff and not have to deal with some POS that Bubba thinks the scratches will "wax" out and 35 dollars for a 8-10 hour detail is fair. So, not missing the detail biz one bit and lately YouTube has had much better in an educational sense information than any forum I`ve ever been on. I bought that 20 buck Mothers stuff and frankly, it wasn`t very good. I actually gave it to the kid at O`riely`s as I bought the TW. My first impressions are very positive and like the Camaro guy, after a rain and it looks fine.

For what it`s worth, anybody looking at detailing for yourself or maybe getting into it as a part time enterprise. Don`t get blinded by the hype and claims from the boutique stuff, don`t think you`ll save money buying in bulk, - OK - let me explain, 8 oz of Wonder Goo is 10 dollars but you can get a gallon for 75. So you get the gallon and Wonder Goo sucks big time, now you`re out 75 instead of 10, see how that works? To be fair, it took me a couple times before I figured that out! Don`t get snobby, that 17 adjectives wax that`s like a car payment isn`t any better than the cheap stuff, and ONLY the idiots that spent $$$ will disagree.

Lastly - PLEASE for everything you call holy, take care of your back! Surgery was successful for me, but I still remember my surgeons last words to me when he cleared me to go back to work after 13 weeks, take care of your spine or you`ll be seeing me again and it won`t be pretty.
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We need to start a back surgery thread. I know of at least two other members that have gone under the knife. Welcome back.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
We need to start a back surgery thread. I know of at least two other members that have gone under the knife. Welcome back.
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Rlm,

Just curious as I feel you’ve been very unbiased towards cheap and top shelf products. Have you used new TW? How does it compare to IGL premier?


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Dan said:
There are still a lot of detailers out there that haven`t noticed [somebody in the Industry] has perfected the art of wallet emptying. They make great products but excel at getting people to buy [stuff].
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That sort of comment comes to mind all the time for me...gotta remember the genuine motivations in play, even with Car Guys whom we like.
 
Coatings=crack said:
Rlm,

Just curious as I feel you’ve been very unbiased towards cheap and top shelf products. Have you used new TW? How does it compare to IGL premier?


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I’ve got a bottle and that’s a good idea to run it against Premier. I’ll do it tomorrow and see how it stacks up. Premier is the longest lasting spray on wipe off sealant I have tested. It should be a great side by side test.


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Turtle Wax ICE Seal N Shine vs Soft 99 Fusso Coat on the Apex Detailing Channel on Youtube. A very even race but I think that Fusso Coat got the win. As far as chemical resistance the TW SNS is very impresive for being a such as cheap product at least in the US. Here in Sweden the price is $20 for it.

Would like to hear more of the durability of the TW SNS. But maybe since it`s cheap and most people don`t let it go as long until it`s fails. Could be the reason why the longevity from it in the real world use has not been mentioned. And that`s a rather new product or at least since it`s got discovered in the detailing scene. Chemical resistance and longevity don`t necessary goes hand in hand. But chemical resistance and the protection is more compareble. I have it and will use it as soon as I`m able to. Would be interesting to see how it would hold up over a winter here in Sweden.
 
There are too many products, that`s the problem, When I got into detailing I was starry eyed and wanted to keep up with the jones when it came to new products. I have a bottle of Overcoat *somewhere* that I`ve never even used. And I know I have multiple bottles of probably similarly priced stuff that I never used that I don`t even remember buying. The person`s car I used Viking Spritz on wouldn`t see a difference between that and the TW probably (white car though) I used an $80 product so my brain`s telling me it has to be better. And while I`m sure it probably is, I`d also probably need a glossmeter machine to show me there`s a difference unless I was starring at it uber close up. And I don`t know, but to me if I need a machine like a glossmeter or something so I can know a product`s better. Maybe I should be looking at other products.

That said, I`ll always have an impossible time not buying hand made craft beer like detailing stuff. Just now I`m going to go out and try this TW and give companies I`ve been programmed to hate certain companies. Armor All`s where I refuse to ever give in.

You have to draw the line somewhere...
 
Coatings=crack said:
I’ve read your post on premier.... what’s #1?


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Yep, Overcoat. It lasts just as long but has an edge in gloss, especially on initial application. I now own a gloss meter and this fall will try to put numbers to all the toppers I own. It may take some time but it should prove interesting.


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Junebug said:
I detailed for over 10 years and only stopped in 2015 because of back surgery. I haven`t been on this forum in years but I got bored and decided to drop by. Not much new except some love for TW and their new product here. I probably gave away, threw away and pissed away several hundred dollars worth of stuff when I stopped. I kept a few things of course and me and the wife would wash/wax our cars together. It`s nice to just do your stuff and not have to deal with some POS that Bubba thinks the scratches will "wax" out and 35 dollars for a 8-10 hour detail is fair. So, not missing the detail biz one bit and lately YouTube has had much better in an educational sense information than any forum I`ve ever been on. I bought that 20 buck Mothers stuff and frankly, it wasn`t very good. I actually gave it to the kid at O`riely`s as I bought the TW. My first impressions are very positive and like the Camaro guy, after a rain and it looks fine.

For what it`s worth, anybody looking at detailing for yourself or maybe getting into it as a part time enterprise. Don`t get blinded by the hype and claims from the boutique stuff, don`t think you`ll save money buying in bulk, - OK - let me explain, 8 oz of Wonder Goo is 10 dollars but you can get a gallon for 75. So you get the gallon and Wonder Goo sucks big time, now you`re out 75 instead of 10, see how that works? To be fair, it took me a couple times before I figured that out! Don`t get snobby, that 17 adjectives wax that`s like a car payment isn`t any better than the cheap stuff, and ONLY the idiots that spent $$$ will disagree.

Lastly - PLEASE for everything you call holy, take care of your back! Surgery was successful for me, but I still remember my surgeons last words to me when he cleared me to go back to work after 13 weeks, take care of your spine or you`ll be seeing me again and it won`t be pretty.
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JUNEBUG!!!
it is soooo nice to hear from you again. Last I remember, you were power-wash cleaning house exteriors as supplemental income to your detailing business, with less physical work.

Sorry about your back. You seem to join a fraternity of long-time detailers who have suffered with that "occupational hazard".

You were THE ONE who "liked" my post on Bio-Kleen`s Black Streak RV Cleaner (good stuff!):
https://www.autopia.org/forums/boat...um-camper-bio-kleen-black-streak-remover.html
 
quebert said:
That said, I`ll always have an impossible time not buying hand made craft beer like detailing stuff. Just now I`m going to go out and try this TW and give companies I`ve been programmed to hate certain companies. Armor All`s where I refuse to ever give in.

You have to draw the line somewhere...
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Ha! I’m into trying every craft beer as well, because I don’t like thinking that I missed out on something really good, but at the same time I had no problem drinking PBR or well liquor depending on the circumstances.

Similarly, I have no issues trying out TW. My brother got me a TW ICE kit with a detail bag many years ago when I got my TSX. And it was about 3-4 years ago when I started playing around more than just the car wash and liquid wax that led to my interest in getting back to keeping my car nice. I liked some of those early ICE products and really liked the newer ICE spray wax when I bought it. Despite the old hard shell crap I used 20 years ago as a teenager to keep my car “immaculate” (albeit with terrible washing and drying habits), I always kept a warm spot in my heart for TW because it’s what I started with... plus the cool green, transparent plastic shell top that you could store the applicator in.

As for Armorall, I used to slather the extra glossy stuff over my entire 1989 Honda Accord interior weekly. I got so many compliments while driving friends around to parties, including from the ladies... I thought the stuff was the best. It actually took me awhile when I got back into detailing to accept the fact that greasy, glossy vinyl may not be so cool as a 30 year old adult in the 2000’s. All those high school comments in the 1990’s were ingrained in my memory. Nonetheless, I have since found many natural looking protectants that I, and my wife prefer much more.

Anyways, no shame in using TW.
 
SWETM said:
Turtle Wax ICE Seal N Shine vs Soft 99 Fusso Coat on the Apex Detailing Channel on Youtube. A very even race but I think that Fusso Coat got the win. As far as chemical resistance the TW SNS is very impresive for being a such as cheap product at least in the US. Here in Sweden the price is $20 for it.

Would like to hear more of the durability of the TW SNS. But maybe since it`s cheap and most people don`t let it go as long until it`s fails. Could be the reason why the longevity from it in the real world use has not been mentioned. And that`s a rather new product or at least since it`s got discovered in the detailing scene. Chemical resistance and longevity don`t necessary goes hand in hand. But chemical resistance and the protection is more compareble. I have it and will use it as soon as I`m able to. Would be interesting to see how it would hold up over a winter here in Sweden.
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Ive used fusso coat. I now have the tw sns on the car now. I`ll see if the tw holds on better for me in real life than fusso coat did here.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
Yep, Overcoat. It lasts just as long but has an edge in gloss, especially on initial application. I now own a gloss meter and this fall will try to put numbers to all the toppers I own. It may take some time but it should prove interesting.


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Excited to see that!


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And note for all:

if I did this as a business I doubt I’d use any boutique products for business needs. Most consumers would be WOW’d with the polish and would need just something to protect it.

The way I see it is the 500 ml bottle of cosmic I bought for $100 will give me at least 24 coats. If I over do at 10 apps a year (I will) it be about $4 a month. With soap and other chemicals I use I’ll spend less than $20 a month maintaining the looks of my car. I use to spend $60 a month tunnel washing.

Now I enjoy maintaining my car as pristine as I can and SAVING money on my hobby so I am willing to spend 80% more for 30% more for performance.

We need to keep proper perspective on how products are used, for hobby or business.


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