National Anthem

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I was at the Knicks game last night with my son. When they asked everyone to rise and remove their hat I was really surprised how many people don't remove their hats, and a smaller percentage don't even stand.

What happened. I remember going to game with my Dad and if you were not quiet, the crowd let you have it.
 
Times have changed.....and not for the better......I go to a local dirt track several times a year...when the National Anthem is played there, you get your a$$ kicked if you leave your hat on or do not stand
 
It's just the era that we live in. Lack of respect for one's country and lack of patriotism is something that is earned by young people from their elders, regardless of who they are. Today "individualism" and "inclusiveness" is taught and if you do not honor that, you are a person-hater. So if some young person does not wish to honor America and acts like silly or would rather text on a smart-phone during the National Anthem, we as a society allow it, almost to the point of condoning it. Some even view it as their right of freedom of expression. Few realize that that "freedom" is because of the hard-fought service given by those who have defended those freedoms from groups who hate what we as Americans represent. Few also realize that with freedom comes responsibility, and with responsibility are consequences for one's actions. Part of it is the lack of corrective actions by parents and elders of our young people, and I am not talking just a "timeout". We no longer condone mild physical correction of any sort and view it as child abuse and inhibiting someone's self-esteem. Solomon's proverb from the Bible of "spare the rod, spoil the child" is one this nation's educational and parenting society could learn from. I think we would do well as a nation to again include the "Pledge of Allegiance" in the morning in our public and private school's classroom. That's where I learned respect and patriotism from, even if I am "old school" (literally!). Again paraphrasing Solomon's proverb is "Train up a child when (they are) young, and (they) will not depart from it." In the 1950's the nation's legislators chose to add the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. Now there are those who want to take it out. Perhaps it is time to re-learn from history of what this nation was founded on and that the principles taught in the Bible are still relevant and necessary for the survival and continuance of this country we call America and the flag that it represents. As stated, respect is something earned (no it's not a typo for "learned"; I do mean earned) and taught to our young people that filters down to successive generations. Has it been lost in you as a reader of this post within this forum? Something to think about.
 
Lonnie said:
It's just the era that we live in. Lack of respect for one's country and lack of patriotism is something that is learned by young people from their elders, regardless of who they are. Today "individualism" and "inclusiveness" is taught and if you do not honor that, you are a person-hater. So if some young person does not wish to honor America and acts like silly or would rather text on a smart-phone during the National Anthem, we as a society allow it, almost to the point of condoning it. Some even view it as their right of freedom of expression. Few realize that that "freedom" is because of the hard-fought service given by those who have defended those freedoms from groups who hate what we as Americans represent. Few also realize that with freedom comes responsibility, and with responsibility are consequences for one's actions. Part of it is the lack of corrective actions by parents and elders of our young people, and I am not talking just a "timeout". We no longer condone mild physical correction of any sort and view it as child abuse and inhibiting someone's self-esteem. Solomon's proverb from the Bible of "spare the rod, spoil the child" is one this nation's educational and parenting society could learn from. I think we would do well as a nation to again include the "Pledge of Allegiance" in the morning in our public and private school's classroom. That's were I learned respect and patriotism from, even if I am "old school" (literally!). Again paraphrasing Solomon's proverb is "Train up a child when (they are) young, and (they) will not depart from it." In the 1950's the nation's legislators chose to add the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. Now there are those who want to take it out. Perhaps it is time to re-learn from history of what this nation was founded on and that the principles taught in the Bible are still relevant and necessary for the survival and continuance of this country we call America and the flag that it represents. As stated, respect is something earned (no it's not a typo for "learned"; I do mean earned) and taught to our young people that filters down to successive generations. Has it been lost in you as a reader of this post within this forum? Something to think about.
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Just to add to that.......

"Freedom is not free."
 
Some will question my above post as "how does a casual observation and post on the National Anthem become something to include God and quotes from the Bible? Don't push YOUR morality or beliefs on me" That said, I would think that those individuals would like to be treated fairly, honestly, and with respect. I learned that from a quote that was on my public elementary school classrooms' front wall in grades 1 thru 6: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." Guess where that comes from? If you don't know, Google it.
 
Being a Veteran people that do not honor/respect the Flag, National Anthem and their Fore Fathers that gave them the rights they have really PI***S me off. I see your everyday citizen, sports players etc. not going through the traditional gestures all the time.

Dave
 
davidc - We fought for their freedom NOT to stand and take their hats off. Its sad but true, they have the right NOT to do those things if they choose not to. It is not a broken law.
 
dcjredline said:
davidc - We fought for their freedom NOT to stand and take their hats off. Its sad but true, they have the right NOT to do those things if they choose not to. It is not a broken law.
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Very true....... But by the same token, when those freedoms that were fought so hard for disappear, they will understand.
 
dcjredline said:
davidc - We fought for their freedom NOT to stand and take their hats off. Its sad but true, they have the right NOT to do those things if they choose not to. It is not a broken law.
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Ironically those are the same kids that are demanding not to hear offensive speech, and demand "safe zones"
 
As a millennial (don't stone me!) I don't know where people started getting soft. Part of me thinks that with all the technology you can put in front of a kid to not have to watch them and thus reducing your actual parenting has definitely had an impact. And I think physical reprimanding is so rare these days because any time a parent smacks their kids hand or bottom, others start crying child abuse, but telling a kid no will only go so far. Growing up, if we got out of line you didn't just get a stern talking to, you got punished with a slap on the hand, a spanking or put in a corner, depending on what happened. I even had to literally wash my mouth with soap for cussing as a child, and you bet I never did that again! But more and more parents feel bad for their kid when they have to discipline them and also refuse to believe their child ever does anything wrong, so they start being their friend and not a parent. And as a parent now I look back at all the crap me and my friends used to do and while nothing was too bad, we were far from perfect and definitely had moments where we deserved a whooping ha.
 
Even back when I was growing up, there were kids who wouldn't show respect for the Anthem or the Pledge of Allegiance (or other Cultural Totems). Punishing them for their lack of respect always made them even *less* respectful, and more resentful. The punishment was simply counterproductive and IMO the [adults] should've approached it differently.
 
dcjredline said:
davidc - We fought for their freedom NOT to stand and take their hats off. Its sad but true, they have the right NOT to do those things if they choose not to. It is not a broken law.
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Yes, they have the right but it is still disgusting to me to not honor the lives that gave it to them. Is that to much to ask ?

Dave
 
Unfortunately, if we enjoy our freedom of expression, we must honor others even if it is personally abhorrent.
 
Ronkh said:
Unfortunately, if we enjoy our freedom of expression, we must honor others even if it is personally abhorrent.
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Heh heh, I've improved my Quality of Life by deliberately not getting as worked up about how others (ab)use their Freedom of Expression as I used to. And Freedom of Expression sure seems to be rather, uhm...broadly defined these days.
 
Kid's these days should spend some time with Native Americans. I was on a job working with a few and they took very good care of me and kept calling me Sir. I told them I was enlisted and please stop calling me Sir. The response " We value all of the elders for their efforts, wisdom and keeping us safe " Sir. The same tradition I grew up in that dwindles by the minute.

Dave
 
Accumulator said:
Even back when I was growing up, there were kids who wouldn't show respect for the Anthem or the Pledge of Allegiance (or other Cultural Totems). Punishing them for their lack of respect always made them even *less* respectful, and more resentful. The punishment was simply counterproductive and IMO the [adults] should've approached it differently.
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I think what gets lost on a lot of people growing up was that you don't necessarily have to like it but you should at least show some respect, whether that's towards your country celebrating freedom or towards your parents/elders/etc. I understand that not everyone is for what the military is ordered to do but you should still have a little respect since what they have done in the past is what got you what you have now. But I guess that's becoming a new norm with how self absorbed a lot of people are today with social media only feeding their ego.
 
Nautical- Despite how I probably come across on threads like this, I'm actually a big fan of "You don't have to like it, you just have to DO it." But IMO genuine respect can't be forced, though a faked display of it can be. I might be all alone with this position, but I believe that when respect is deserved, then that can be taught.

But then, heh heh, I did just think of that line "There are some men you just can't reach..." :o

And yeah, the whole "(shallowly) self-absorbed preoccupation with social media" thing sure isn't helping.
 
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