Zymol Waxes more durable?

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Nacho_Z71

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I was looking at the Zymol website ( ZYMOL TITANIUM GLAZE 8 oz - Zymol Worldwide ) and I like the fact that they disclose the percentage of Carnauba that makes up their waxes. For instance, the Zymol Carbon contains 37% carnauba and the Zymol Titanium contains 51% carnauba. I have never seen other wax companies display how much Carnauba is in their products. It may be a trade secret but it still would be nice to know so that it can be compared to other waxes.



Anyway, my question is this, does a wax that contains more carnauba provide more durability? The Titanium costs 67$ but if it lasts twice as long, why not?



Just curious.
 
Just because there is more carnauba in the product doesn't mean that more carnauba is going to stick to the paint upon application. It just means there is less space wasted in the container from solvents.
 
Extrapolating...if your wax was 100% carnauba, it would be something like this, according to Wikipedia: " It is known as "queen of waxes" and usually comes in the form of hard yellow-brown flakes" and "It is among the hardest of natural waxes, being harder than concrete in its pure form".



On the other hand, if there is more carnauba in one wax than another, you might be able to put on a thinner layer, and get the same amount of 'nuba on the car...of course, a thicker layer of the other stuff, once the solvent evaporated...would have the same amout of 'nuba...or something like that...



But as to your other assertion, IMO the Titanium isn't going to last twice as long.
 
Zymol waxes typically have durability similar to Souveran, or perhaps lesser. They are actually among some of the least durable products on the market, due to high oil contents.



Zymol are marketing machines, and their carnauba percentages are more a marketing ploy and gee-whiz effect, than anything tangible that stands out as better than any other pure wax.
 
TigerMike said:
Zymol waxes typically have durability similar to Souveran, or perhaps lesser. They are actually among some of the least durable products on the market, due to high oil contents.



Zymol are marketing machines, and their carnauba percentages are more a marketing ploy and gee-whiz effect, than anything tangible that stands out as better than any other pure wax.
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I totally agree. I tried several of their waxes and was not happy with any of them. Pure hype IMO, although I'm sure others will disagree. Maybe for a garage queen they are ok, but they certainly are not the most durable by a long shot. I sold my Estate glaze kit on the forum for $50 and have not missed it. Much better products out there.
 
Carnauba is a good ingredient, but I don't believe it's the last word in what makes a wax good, let alone durable.



The higher the percentage of carnauba in a wax, the lower the percentage of everything else. Those "something else" ingredients might be even *better* than carnauba :nixweiss



Meg's #16, which contains a lot of stuff besides carnauba, is one *very* durable wax. Likewise Collinite 846; IIRC it contains "resins". Seems like (just generally speaking) the "really high carnauba content" waxes have a reputation for not being as durable as stuff like #16 and 845, so I don't get too worked up about carnauba content in and of itself.
 
I really do like the look of Zymol Talon over UPP. Their other ingredients of coconut, banana and honeydew oils do, for whatever reason, make it resistant to gasoline drips. So much so that by word of mouth more and more of our customers insist on it as a topper.
 
I have no idea what makes a wax durable TBH. However, I can tell you my car is parked outside 24/7 and I get ~2 months out of my EG Zymol. I usually put on 2 coats about a week apart to insure even coverage. I can't say if it would last longer than 2 months because I've never gone longer than that without waxing my car. :2thumbs:
 
Call me crazy, but I never look at wax as a protector. It's horrible at it to begin with. If you want a protection, go with a sealer and then top with some wax.



-Ben
 
benvegas said:
Call me crazy, but I never look at wax as a protector. It's horrible at it to begin with. If you want a protection, go with a sealer and then top with some wax.



-Ben
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I agree, however I have used a few of the zymol hand crafted products and I find they have great protection. I waxe my dads care over 6 weeks ago and its still beading and sheeting water like I just waxed it. It still has a nice shine and looks good. I live in calgary and out roads and winters are death on waxes.



I have found alot of those people who say protection sucks have never tried the products its just what they have heard through the grape vine. so would i take them sersiouly? wel that depends who it is. I would dig a little deaper and see if they have actually used the wax
 
calgarydetail said:
I agree, however I have used a few of the zymol hand crafted products and I find they have great protection. I waxe my dads care over 6 weeks ago and its still beading and sheeting water like I just waxed it. It still has a nice shine and looks good. I live in calgary and out roads and winters are death on waxes.



I have found alot of those people who say protection sucks have never tried the products its just what they have heard through the grape vine. so would i take them sersiouly? wel that depends who it is. I would dig a little deaper and see if they have actually used the wax
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Nacho_Z71

I agree with calgarydetail's comments:" a lot of those people who say protection sucks have never tried the products its just what they have heard through the grape vine."

On another note, it is absolutely essential to use Zymol's HD-Cleanse pre wax cleaner prior to applying any of their Waxes or Glazes.

Once the vehicle has been properly HD-Cleansed / Pre wax cleaned surface, then waxed, you can apply another coat of Zymol Wax or Glaze lets say a month from now without having to use the HD-Cleanse again.

Proper preparation is #1 in Auto Detailing. Any serious detailer knows this.Your preperaration or lack of, will determine your finished results.

The percentages of Carnauba stated in various Zymol Waxes and Glazes are not marketing hype. Zymol does not use paint killing petrol chemicals like varsol as found in most other car care waxes.

People who tend to knock Zymol products have never used them or they have used them incorrectly. It's kind of like a person with a Volkswagen knocking the guy with the Mercedes 500SL as being all hype. After all there both German cars. Both have 4 wheels and both get you from here to there. Right?

Nacho - feel free to contact me via IM if you'd like additional information on which Zymol wax to use and how to use the products.

As a Zymol factory trained Zymol Detailer and former Retailer, I'd be glad to share my knowledge with you.
 
Zymol said:
Nacho_Z71

I agree with calgarydetail's comments:" a lot of those people who say protection sucks have never tried the products its just what they have heard through the grape vine."

On another note, it is absolutely essential to use Zymol's HD-Cleanse pre wax cleaner prior to applying any of their Waxes or Glazes.
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I guess I must have imagined the 2 years I used carbon on my Mustang and the year and a half I used Councours on my Harley. The sampler kit I sold to ashsarna must be imaginary too.:rolleyes: Stack up Zymol to any good carnauba and it falls flat on its face in the durability department when kept outdoors 24/7. In the summer beading was tapering off after two weeks, yes two weeks. Yes I did HD cleanse before. Same car, same conditions, using Mother's "pure carnauba" paste was 2x the durabilty. Looks are subjective, durability is not.
 
yakky said:
I guess I must have imagined the 2 years I used carbon on my Mustang and the year and a half I used Councours on my Harley. The sampler kit I sold to ashsarna must be imaginary too.:rolleyes: Stack up Zymol to any good carnauba and it falls flat on its face in the durability department when kept outdoors 24/7. In the summer beading was tapering off after two weeks, yes two weeks. Yes I did HD cleanse before. Same car, same conditions, using Mother's "pure carnauba" paste was 2x the durabilty. Looks are subjective, durability is not.
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Well talk with any Experienced Zymol Detailer and you will find that they and I have all used many other product lines. Thus we have done on own comparisons as to durability. And we have found generally speaking Greater and longer durability with the Zymol Waxes and Glazes when properly prepared with HD-Cleanse or Pre Wax Cleansers. I have been using Zymol Waxes and Glazes in my Professional Auto Detailing business since 1990. The bulk of our detail jobs were all high end and luxury vehicles done in Zymol Waxes and Glazes. So we do have a consistent track record outstanding results and extremely satisfied customers.
 
Ladies and gents:



First and foremost, a wax is a protecting membrane. That is the main purpose of wax. In my experience with carnaubas, I have had the longest and most durable weather and ultra-voilet protection from my paint with the use of carnauba products. A lot of people mistake gloss and beading qualities of a wax with its longevity, but I most respectfully disagree. A typical wax surface will last far longer than its beading attributes. It has been my experience that if wax is allowed to cure properly, it will give very good protection that even the harshest weather conditions, outside of harsh soap, would not reverse.



As far as Zymol waxes being durable, that may be a question that Mr. Zymol can answer best. In terms of my experience with it, although my use has been restricted to a limited use automobile that is covered and garaged, I have found Zymol waxes to have been very long lasting, in addition to producing their trademark awe inspiring paint rendering abilities.
 
As mentioned by yakky, I got the sampler kit from him (thanks:-)). I have not had a chance to properly test the durability of the zymol Eglazes as (1) winter is here and I have moved to sealants, (2) I use it to a garaged car, and (3) I was every 2-3 weeks. I can say that after three weeks it still holds well. I have heard, from people I trust, that it will be durable once layers are applied to it over a course of time. I admit I have not thought zymol as a durable wax (personally I like it for its looks/range), like some other carnubas, but will now test it for myself in the spring. And yes, I agree that lack of beeding doesnt necesary meen no protection.
 
Zymol said:
Well talk with any Experienced Zymol Detailer and you will find that they and I have all used many other product lines. Thus we have done on own comparisons as to durability. And we have found generally speaking Greater and longer durability with the Zymol Waxes and Glazes when properly prepared with HD-Cleanse or Pre Wax Cleansers. I have been using Zymol Waxes and Glazes in my Professional Auto Detailing business since 1990. The bulk of our detail jobs were all high end and luxury vehicles done in Zymol Waxes and Glazes. So we do have a consistent track record outstanding results and extremely satisfied customers.
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I'm sure the detail jobs you have done look beautiful. I'm sure the they are all high end cars that get garaged. Put Zymol on a car that gets to sit outside all day long, it will be gone ASAP. I have friends that used Zymol and the same thing happened.



Zymol is a good wax, especially for cars with vinatage paint. If I had a classic car with original paint, I would use Zymol without a doubt. I'd also park the car in a garage and wax it as often as I drove it.



There are waxes and sealants that work well for particular situations. There is no BEST wax or anything for that matter, everything in life is a tradeoff.



Saying your wax of choice is the end all cleary shows bias.
 
ashsarna said:
And yes, I agree that lack of beeding doesnt necesary meen no protection.
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I agree with that statement for sealants, however isn't wax hydrophobic, and it there is still wax on the car, wouldn't it bead?
 
yakky said:
I'm sure the detail jobs you have done look beautiful. I'm sure the they are all high end cars that get garaged. Put Zymol on a car that gets to sit outside all day long, it will be gone ASAP. I have friends that used Zymol and the same thing happened.



Zymol is a good wax, especially for cars with vinatage paint. If I had a classic car with original paint, I would use Zymol without a doubt. I'd also park the car in a garage and wax it as often as I drove it.



There are waxes and sealants that work well for particular situations. There is no BEST wax or anything for that matter, everything in life is a tradeoff.



Saying your wax of choice is the end all cleary shows bias.
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Yakky - not sure what your problem is man, but please don't misinform the form with your words, "Saying your wax of choice is the end all cleary shows bias."

I Never made that statement! You did! We use several product lines. So there is no bias.

And Zymol waxes and glazes are not just for Vintage paint vehicles. Zymol waxes and glazes are for the person who has a nice vehicle and wants to keep their vehicle looking fantastic, IF they will take the time to read and follow the instructions and apply the products as directed.

And finally, not all of the high end vehicles we have detailed with Zymol waxes are garaged. Some of them indeed sit outside 24/7.
 
Zymol,



I appologize if I have offended you. I'm just trying to point out that I have used Zymol (correctly) and I have not been impressed with its durability, especially considering the price. I believe it is a total waste of money for the average car guy. That is only my opinion based on using several different flavors of it.



Since you have been detailing professionally for a long time, what would you say the most durable wax is?
 
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