Zymol Vintage on Pearl Blue Factory Paint

ICANDY

ICANDY

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Flash off:

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Flash on (such great clarity - awesome flake shot):

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Nice flake where the Rear Bar meets the Quarter Panel:

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Great Reflection:

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Great Reflection again, (check out the reflection in the flat part of the quarter panel):

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Rear Door is not waxed with Vintage:

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I think it looks awesome. Definately the best wax I've ever used.
 
You could have gotten the same effect from P21S.... just add oils :chuckle:



Look, Vintage is nothing more than wax and oils, that's it. I had it along with the entire line, but once you realize that it's still wax and oil. Some oils are on the "exotic" side.



Hey, if it makes you happy, great. It's just a waste of money IMHO. :eek:



Regards,

Deanski
 
I must say i have to agree with Deanski,the car looks great,but there must be atleast half a dozen far cheaper products,that give as good,if not better results.I used Zymol waxes for many years,while working for a large Bentley dealership in the uk,we used Destiny and Vintage exclusively.I did enjoy using those waxes(they smell fantastic),but i became disgusted with the ridiculous prices,and the 'Marketing Machine' that is Zymol.
 
I agree with you guys, but not entirely.



I am a big, big P21S fan, I used a couple of Zymol products in the recent past and wasn't really impressed as I usualy saw no difference.



When I used Vintage though, I thought wow, and after 9 weeks of 2 washes per week, not garaged and it still sheets water like nothing I have ever seen.



I probably will never buy a tub of Vintage, but it is a great wax.





d.
 
That said, it does make the finish look very nice, so don't think it doesn't, it's just that if you did a side-by-side on a flat panel between Vintage and any "normal" Zymol wax or other good waxes, you'll see a very faint difference. Not enough to run out and order Vintage.



Same Zymol marketing states that the new Glasur wax for Porsche is for "That rock-hard finish" of Porsche. Owning a '06 C2S 997, ALL Porsche paint is very soft. If it was hard as they claim, any Porsche on the Autobahn would look terrible due to the rock chipping. Soft paint gives, hard paints chip. That's why they go with a softer paint for one thing.



Zymol is known for a very good marketing team. They hype the oils in both waxes and leather treatment products.



If it was all that good, every wax mfg would be rushing to make up a similar wax. So most mfg use synthetic oils and cheaper oils in a binder to help wax flow. The more carnuba, the harder it is to combine it enough to be used on a finish without being really hard.



Take furniture waxes, much more carnuba in them. Very hard wax. Try using them on a car.



Deanski
 
Yeah, I know what you're saying.



I have a couple of customers though who are seeking the best I can give them and my prep sometimes looks as good as other detailers finished jobs, I need something more and the only answear I've found so far is Vintage, I can't afford to use Royale.



I'm not sure exactly why the Vintage looks so good, but it does have that slightly nicer cepth and glow over P21S and the major thing is it lasts and lasts. P21S would never sheet after 4 washes (weeks).



u know what I mean yeah?
 
I'm with ICANDY. There's just no comparison between Vintage and P21S. I've used both and the wetness, sharpness of refelctions, and depth of reflection is MUCH better with Vintage. I've tried many, many waxes and Vintage provides what I consider the most eye pleasing shine by far. This being said, I would NEVER pay $1000 for a jar of wax even if it does come with unlimited life time refills. Unfortunately for me, I've been working out of a mini-jar of Vintage and it's almost empty now. :( The upside though is that I got it in a sampler kit ($179) which also came with mini-tubs of Atlantique and Destiny which I haven't touched yet. Also, the kit had HD-Cleanse, Clear (car wash soap), a micro-wipe, and a detail brush. So, $179 wasn't a bad deal but I'm not sure they make this kit anymore.
 
I think the car looks awesome, though Im partial to pretty much every blue color out there, I definitely thinks this is a really hott car. That said, the only thing I dont like are the tires, they are way too greasy looking for me, it almost looks like they were dressed with cooking oil. To each his own though :usa
 
lucaszcpm3 said:
Mikeyc, I'd be all over that kit if they still have it.





edit: http://www.zymol.com/samplers.htm :getdown How many layers can you get out of one of the sample jars?
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I couldn't venture a guess as to how many layers you could get out of each jar. However, I have been waxing my car for a few years with the same mini-jar. Take into consideration though that I wax my car about once per month and only wax late spring through mid-fall. During the winters I put a sealant on my car as they're more durable and we have cold, harsh winters in this area. Also, Zymol should be applied as thinly as possible so this helps make the jar last as well.



The kit I have has said "sold out" on Zymol.com and other websites for quite a while now. I'm thinking they no longer make it. However, I have seen the mini-jars from the kit available on e-bay before.
 
The car looks great ICANDY. The reflections in that first shot are really amazing. I guess some people just have to have SOMETHING to complain about even when it looks good.
 
Oh......My!!!!!!!!!



You have discovered (obviously) the virtues of Vintaaaaaaghe!!! Excellent results. The clarity and depth of shine, in addition to its effortless ability of rendering color and metal flake is just phenomenal!!



And about comparing it to p21s: I am also an avid user of p21s (for car #2), and it does have its virtues. It should be stated, however, that you should definitely not expect p21s to compare with a Zymol of that caliber, if for any reason because of the difference in ingredients between the two.



What were you using before Vintage, if I may ask? Thanks for posting pics. I just don't have enough good words to describe Vintaaaaaaaghe, but it was a pleasure just observing your results!



BTW: Zymol is quite more involved in its make-up than just oils. I wouldn't buy into some of the negative comments. Anyone that is curious has to go beyond heresay and do an actual, in depth comparison in order to see the difference. Research the different products as well as the ingredients that comprise some of Zymol's waxes, and then do a real comparison, and back it up with excellent digital photos in different lighting sessions. I'll go as far as saying that there are distinct differences within some of Zymol's waxes in comparison to each other. Compare.......if you dare!
 
Interesting comments.



I was using P21S and still do for most of customers cars.

I love P21S. Much easier to use than any other wax I have come across and loks great. Also protects and lasts quite well for a carnauba.



I coat of Vintage ended up lasting about 10-12 weeks. I was impressed. 1 layer of P21S Wax would never last that long.



I'm stil nt sure if it is worth the AUS$2,880 per tub, but it sure is pretty.





d.
 
Looks really good to me. :)



I agree, you can see the differences in a wax like Pinnacle Souveran vs P21S, so it stands to reason you can see a difference using Zymol as well. If customers are willing to pop for a more expensive wax, I am all for it, more profit!



What polishing steps did you do?
 
I also would like to know the polishes that you're using (mildly curious).



It is nice to hear that Vintage has given you good durability. My main reasoning for going with Vintage (and the other EGZymol before it) was based on its performance in its finish appearance.....it simply outperformed the other lsps that I compared it with in great measure. Is the pricing of the Zymols an issue? Yes. However, if you're comparing appearance performance between it and some other lsps, then you will not really be able to know and experience a Zymol without doing a comparison.



Tell us some more of what you found.
 
Well,



The car I applied it to was my workhorse. It's kept very well so didn't need to do much to it before applying the lsp, but I did a quick clay (Clay Magic Blue) and a quick pass with an Edge White 8" on a Festool Rotary with Menzerna Final Finish PO85RD.



Then HD Cleanse before apply the Wax. The HD Cleanse seemed to be very hard to remove and this bothered me. I don't like using cotton ever and the microfibre cloth I was trying to remove it with was probably causing the difficulties. However, I used a damp mf cloth and it was fine, then a dry mf to buff dry, then the Wax.



I'm not a fan of using my hands to apply the wax, so I simply use an applicator to apply the wax now and it seems to finish the same and provide the same amount of durability. So much for the warmth of your hands making the product work.



Anyway, the Vintage (1 coat) lasted about 3 times as long as 1 coat of P21S Wax, about 12 weeks max and then no more sheeting or beading. That, I thought, was pretty good for a carnauba wax.





Damian.
 
Interesting. This year, I used hd cleanse for the first time, but with a pc. I had my doubts initially, but the hd cleanse took well to the pc. Maybe it was a tad hard to come off now that you are mentioning it. I remember that it required a little bit more effort than I remembered with other cleaners. I followed hd cleanse with a finishing polish and then a paint cleaner before moving on to Vintage. As for the hands, I have gotten used to the idea, though Vintage is a softer wax body than some of the other Zymols. Needless to say I have been very impressed with Vintage....that it was even able to make me look past concours!
 
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Thanks,

Tort

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