zymol the real vintage holders

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razr007

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Ok i know i'm going to get shot here for this one but i have to do it.



I finally got zymol vintage about almost 2 years ago and i must say i love it the reflection you get i think is second to none of course only if all the prep work is done correctly



I know everyone has something to say good an bad about zymol many many opinions but i'm not here to ask for you to decide if i should buy it or if you like it i do an thats what matters



But what i'm here for is to find out who the true vintage owners are on this forum who has vintage not who has tried it or is going to try it or who thinks they might get it or who wants it BUT ONLY WHO OWNS AND HAS IT NOW



I just wanted to see how big of a demand there really is for this ZYMOL VINTAGE WAX i have had 2 refills since i got it and only cause i have several other waxes i use and i don't really use it on every car every time or i may have had more refills



I would like to buy the royale wax next but that is another day an another thread i have used it and did not see much difference between the two but than again i only used it once so really can't say



So if you have vintage post here a little about why you like it an why you got it an an picture of it a real picture lol



Thanks to all that read an reply
 
I love my Zymol Vintage. I use it on all the high end stuff. Nothing that I use gives the "glow" of the Vintage. Matrix Micro Coatings I believe gives a better "gloss" and clarity, but doesn't have that warm look of carnauba wax. It is not a very quick wax though, as I have noticed oils from the wax will reappear after only a few hours. If you are in a rush you can spray wax with field glaze. I too plan to upgrade to the Royale at some point. Zymol does a great job with their waxes. You can actually see a difference from the lower dollar waxes like the Titanium up to the Concours, and Vintage again. I can only imagine how good the Royale must look. As far as durability goes, I wax my Porsche almost every time I wash it with Vintage, and the water bead is phenomenal.





John
 
I had a guy from here pm me an say not to talk about zymol cause not that many people have it nor care about it an told me to go to a place call detailing bliss and don't post here anymore



Well i like this forum and will continue to post on here along with zymol information from time to time am i making any mistakes on what i say or should i not be asking info. and talking about zymol on here?
 
That's too funny. :lol



People can talk about Turtle wax for all I care. Don't ever let anyone tell you how to think or write.
 
I initially purchased Vintage because I was annoyed at the occasional price increases that zymol was imposing on their better quality waxes. Before Vintage, I was a very satisfied user of EGZymol Concours.



I preferred the zymol finishes because IMO they offered exceptional depth of reflection and clarity of color to the optimally prepped paint. One of the EG's known characteristics is that they will not necessarily offer a lot of gloss in the beginning stages. I have found that most if not all of the authentic zymol waxes share this characteristic. What you will see with most of their waxes is very sharp reflective images in the finish when observed in natural daylight settings.



Vintage, for me, offered all of the good qualities that I described above, but in addition to those qualities, it offered exceptional volume to the depth perception of the reflections. It also seemed to be especially tuned to promoting vibrant color. Add to this, if you frequently use vintage over a period of time (granted that the shipping costs are not high), you could end up breaking out even or saving some money by not having the need to re-purchase other zymol waxes.



The best advice (like I say a lot) to anyone that is curious about EGZ Vintage or any of the zymol waxes would be to try one of them against several of its competitors on your own car's finish, so that you can see for yourself if a zymol would produce a satisfying result. Weigh the result against the cost of the wax, and you should be able to figure out if its worth buying. (zymol asks obscene prices for their waxes so beware and shop the competition....just to be fair).
 
Own it, sold it, thought it was okay...



Vintage is a very nice looking wax, as good as Meguiars #26 or BlackFire Midnight Sun.



I didn't find that it produced a look 'better' then anything else (as blind studies in the UK have somewhat proven).



In the end of the day it is a car wax (silicon, oil, solvent, carnuaba) that relies on somewhat wierd marketing (impossible amounts of wax that doesn't even exist) to really jack up the pricing. Zymol knows it an emotional buy, hence the inflated numbers.



I found that like all waxes there isn't really a benefit to layering, and obviously for 1800-2200 I would feel strange if there is. Several coats may produce a longer lasting better shine from more even coverage.



In the end (judging the product with my own two eyes) there was absolutely nothing special about it, other then the scientifically impossible claims and a crazy price tag.



Durability was in the weeks (not months) range on my car outside. Nothing special in looks, protection, or durability in my experience.
 
well put lbsl1



th0001 sorry you feel that way i think you just did not use it the right way i have vintage and i have got a chance to try the royale and many others and i see the difference of course if you don't prep correct the product will not do what it was intended to do but hey everyone has an opinion
 
The most important thing is what the wax does for you in person. Do not give a lot of weight to naysayers (or for that matter cheerful supporters) without trying a product out personally. You can go on until infinity about the pros and cons of anything; The end result demonstrated will tell the story.



Keep up the good use with the zymols, and do not let anyone discourage you with your choice of lsp! Tell me more about your royale experience in your travels as well!
 
It is kinda funny i got my zymol vintage from a guy in ny who my wife had gotten a gift certificate from a worker of hers whos father pasted and was for him since he had 5 cars he was a collector as much as a show guy



Here is where it gets funny when i was going to buy the wax the guy told me he had royale and would do a killer deal for it cause it had a crack in the case now i was going to buy it but when i 1st talked to zymol they said the case you have you keep and can not be replaced unless you buy wax all over again so i declined buying it



well i since brought the vintage love it glad i got it an than found out that a guy i know for many years knew the head guy from zymol and for 300.00 could have got me a new case oh well what can you do he since got rid of the royale



but during that time he hooked me up with the kid yes i said kid 19yrs old at the time who brought the royale unreal but he gave me some to try enough to do my 3 cars 2 times and i did the trailer i have as a comparison with all the other waxes and was impressed with the royale i will get one soon



also did a comparison of royale and crystal rock and did not see too much difference both are awsome awsome wax but the free refill is why i would go for the royale
 
razr007 said:
well put lbsl1



th0001 sorry you feel that way i think you just did not use it the right way i have vintage and i have got a chance to try the royale and many others and i see the difference of course if you don't prep correct the product will not do what it was intended to do but hey everyone has an opinion
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The paint was prepped perfectly, infact I believe this is why I saw less of a difference. I know some say that prep and polishing is 95% of the look, but IMO a properly jeweled finish is 98% or more of the look.



I have a harder time seeing the difference in LSP's when the paint is jeweled to an extreme level. Certain products, IMO, do stand out on perfectly prepped paint and Zymol Vintage isn't one of them (IMO again). I purchased the product as a bussiness decision (I had already sold coats of it to clients who wanted that particular rate, it had paid for itself before I clicked 'pay') and thus I never had the emotional attachment that somebody would have fronting 1800-2200 dollars for a wax that costs perhaps $1.50 to make and maybe another $70.00 to package. If I had spent that much out of pocket I'm sure my eyes would have seen the difference more.



As far as Royale, I have used this as well. I posted a thread about it, including a blind test Brian and I did with some clients, applying P21s 100%, Vintage, and Royale to sides parts of a Ferrari. Nobody choose Royale as the best looking product, most favored P21s% (I couldn't tell too much of a difference, favoring P21s (but I knew what was applied where so my opinion cannot count). For $50.00 vs. $2200.00 vs $8500.00 you would think that a descernable difference would have been noticed. Not only did most strangers choose P21s, but when we sprayed the hood/trunk cover down nobody could tell a difference in any of the beading. Again for the significant difference in price, one would assume that something magical would happen..



I have one client (one of the guys who orginally wanted Vintage on his car) who I recently used Collonite #915 on... He called twice saying how this new super wax was superior (and obviously Collonite beads MUCH better/tighter and last MUCH longer). To him (and me) it looks better as well...



At the end of the day if you (or anybody) is happy with their choice and 'sees' a difference then that is all that matters. Facts (things like science that completely refutes Zymols marketing) don't matter at the end of the day. If you believe your car looks better or lasts longer or the paint is eating the wax then you cannot put a price on feeling good, IMO. Just wanted to share my experience....
 
Collinite doesn't bead better than Vintage for me, lasts a hell of a lot longer, though. Vintage beads and sheets better than 476/845/915 in my experience. 476s is a close second for "clean ability", ime. Of course like I said, it lasts easily 5x as long.



Anyway, back on topic. I have Vintage, I like it. I'm considering selling it just because I don't use it enough, but we'll see.
 
I wish i new someone who has royale and was selling it i might buy for the right price lol



funny thing th001 you have vintage and you have royale but hate them both can we see some pics since everyone who owns royale is a very small percent



i think i smell some bs did someone step in it before they walked into this thread cause my feet are clean lol
 
razr007 said:
I wish i new someone who has royale and was selling it i might buy for the right price lol



funny thing th001 you have vintage and you have royale but hate them both can we see some pics since everyone who owns royale is a very small percent



i think i smell some bs did someone step in it before they walked into this thread cause my feet are clean lol
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I don't know if readinging incomprehension smells....
 
I have Vintage, Royale and Dodo Supernatural on my hood right now, side by side, and applied at the same time, on 14th October. All are still beading amazingly well, sheeting well, although not quite as fast as originally, and look identical. They have seen sleet, snow, salt, masses of muck and loads of rain and covered several '000 miles since being applied. The car is my DD and lives outside 24/7. They haven't been washed with any shampoo that adds anything or had any QD etc on them...



I loved the application of Vintage, and it was my favourite to use. They have also surprised me how well all have held up so far - 7 weeks of bad weather. I will keep watching them and see how they do as we head into deepest winter weather, but so far so good. I guess this means they are reasonably durable so far, and that the cheaper products can hold their own as well.



I'd love to own a full tub of Vintage but will make do with the small sample I have for now. The price is too high for me personally to justify it as shipping for refills from Europe is too expensive at £300 a time, otherwise I might be tempted ;)
 
razr007 said:
Ok i know i'm going to get shot here for this one but i have to do it.
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razr007 said:
I would like to buy the royale wax next but that is another day an another thread i have used it and did not see much difference between the two but than again i only used it once so really can't say
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razr007 said:
th0001 sorry you feel that way i think you just did not use it the right way i have vintage and i have got a chance to try the royale and many others and i see the difference of course if you don't prep correct the product will not do what it was intended to do but hey everyone has an opinion
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razr007 said:
but during that time he hooked me up with the kid yes i said kid 19yrs old at the time who brought the royale unreal but he gave me some to try enough to do my 3 cars 2 times and i did the trailer i have as a comparison with all the other waxes and was impressed with the royale i will get one soon
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razr007 said:
funny thing th001 you have vintage and you have royale but hate them both can we see some pics since everyone who owns royale is a very small percent



i think i smell some bs did someone step in it before they walked into this thread cause my feet are clean lol
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