Zymol Royal On A Vectra?

lbls1 said:
Take another look at the actual reflection. The Zaino reflection is larger, appears less clear and defined. The Zymol's reflection of the shelf is sharper, appears smaller (due to a clearer perception of the distance range), and the objects on the shelf reflection are easier to see, in addition to a more vibrant color.
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Assuming one can say they (photographs) are really apples to apples. Even a slight difference in focusing and color balance can make two shots look differently even if finish hasn't been touched, car hasn't been moved, nor camera has been moved. How then we can try to compare something so subtle under two completely different conditions?
 
I agree that Paul does an amazing job as most other here also do.



However, he is running a business. And a large part of a business if marketing. Paul has found his target market and has offered a service and price to attract this market.



Well done. If his skills were not up to the challenge then he would not succeed in the long run.



Paul also refers to and largely uses Zymol Royale and Vintage. Although there is a large cost for the product, what is not mentioned is that both estate waxes are refilled free for life. Therefore the decision to use these waxes is part marketing, part technical and part financial.



It is very easy to dismiss someone like Paul as taking advantage of customers and over charging, but cost is relative and he offers something that very little if any do and backs it up with quality service.



Good on him, maybe professional detailer could learn a little about the marketing side of their business from this man.
 
Buffman said:
I agree that Paul does an amazing job as most other here also do.



However, he is running a business. And a large part of a business if marketing. Paul has found his target market and has offered a service and price to attract this market.



Well done. If his skills were not up to the challenge then he would not succeed in the long run.



Paul also refers to and largely uses Zymol Royale and Vintage. Although there is a large cost for the product, what is not mentioned is that both estate waxes are refilled free for life. Therefore the decision to use these waxes is part marketing, part technical and part financial.



It is very easy to dismiss someone like Paul as taking advantage of customers and over charging, but cost is relative and he offers something that very little if any do and backs it up with quality service.



Good on him, maybe professional detailer could learn a little about the marketing side of their business from this man.
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Agree!!!!!!!!!!!
 
ZoranC said:
Assuming one can say they (photographs) are really apples to apples. Even a slight difference in focusing and color balance can make two shots look differently even if finish hasn't been touched, car hasn't been moved, nor camera has been moved. How then we can try to compare something so subtle under two completely different conditions?
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Which is the main reason why I said that the observer ultimately would have to compare both products in person (post #45). I pre-supposed that the angles on both shots were similar, which would've been able to show whatever differences between the lsps in an "imaginary" real comparsion. It has been my experience that the Zymol's range extends farther than the majority of the lsp's I've observed in my personal experience, thus the photos to me seemed credible.



(By no way am I bashing a product, so take this with a grain of salt) To that end, it was no surprise that the Zaino's reflective range paled in comparison to the Zymol (I was actually impressed with Zaino's showing in itself in the photo comparison). Zaino's reflective range IMO tends to be among the shallowest of lsp's; Zaino has other attributes that makes it an ideal product line, but certain performance qualities, such as reflective range and clarity, and color response, can be compared between lsp's of differing media (natural vs. synthetic).



I also voiced that in essence (although the differences were substantial) the comparison is a bit unfair, being that the composition of both products differ in many aspects...including cost. Thus you would expect a $7G USD product to have distinguishing qualities over a $15 - $30 USD product.
 
vxrmarc said:
So these were my results.......



We applied royale to the right hand side of the bonnet after hd cleanse and waited 6 hours and buffed and field glazed to a massive shine and at the same time we applied zaino z1 then z2pro with zfx drops to shorten cure time on the left hand side...We then waited and applied another 2 layers of zaino in the 24 slot before revealing the new bonnet.....



Scroll up and down to see difference in 2 sides......



ZAINO SIDE:

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ZYMOL ROYALE SIDE:

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The results speak for them selves......



The royale side is darker and more deep blue and look at the zymol logo on the wall....Its sharper and the products are so much more refined and zaino is supposed to give a better reflection over a carnauba wax......but not royale...nothing can touch it in these fields......



I was really surprised and a little disapointed that the zaino muted the result as i truly believed i would have a much glossier wet looking car but i didnt...



Paul agreed so we left it.....One happy customer!!!
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I've been thinking about this awhile and there's something bothering me about these two pictures. Maybe Marc or someone else can explain something to me.



I've studied the pictures over and over and, for the life of me, they look like two pictures of the same area (side) of the hood/bonnet with only a slight difference in the angle of the shot. The curves and edges look the same. The background is the same.



To take pictures of two sides of the hood, either the car would have had to be moved (turned around), but how do you do that in a corner of a room and keep the background the same? Or the camera would have had to be moved (probably to the other side of the car), in which case the background (including reflections) would certainly be different. As far as I can tell, apart from the small change in camera angle, neither scenario has taken place. Has anyone else noticed this or am I just being totally dense?? (Wouldn't be the first time! ;))



Also, on a separate note, look at the colour of the bricks on the wall in the two pics: much whiter/brighter in the 2nd picture. This would seem to indicate a different tonal structure between the two which is just photographic in nature.



I'm not trying to imply any trickery on Marc's part, I'm just trying to get this straight in my head!
 
IMO, presuming that the front of the car is to the left, the first picture is trying to capture the right side of the hood, while the second is trying to capture the left side of the hood. Some cues are the placement of the plastic drawers and water bottles in front of the car, and that more of the ceiling is in the reflection in the second shot. Whether we are focusing on different parts of the reflection in the different shots is more of a difficult matter to sort out.
 
superstring said:
Also, on a separate note, look at the colour of the bricks on the wall in the two pics: much whiter/brighter in the 2nd picture. This would seem to indicate a different tonal structure between the two which is just photographic in nature.
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Exactly! (Pointing back to my comment on white balance and focus) Also, take a look at labels on plastic drawers (or whatever they are). You will notice difference in white balance and focus. On "Zymol side" picture they are brighter and sharper. If I am concluding correctly from long forgotten knowledge on photography just a difference in aperture opening and mode camera is in could result in this and affect rest of the picture too making Zaino one looking worse.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
IMO, presuming that the front of the car is to the left, the first picture is trying to capture the right side of the hood, while the second is trying to capture the left side of the hood. Some cues are the placement of the plastic drawers and water bottles in front of the car, and that more of the ceiling is in the reflection in the second shot. Whether we are focusing on different parts of the reflection in the different shots is more of a difficult matter to sort out.
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Yeah, but Marc said the first pic (Zaino) was the left side and the second (Zymol) the right side.......... I suppose one "solution" might be if the front of the car was at the top of the frame in the first pic and to the left in the second one.
 
DAMN..............................



Just got in from work at 9pm and its gone all technical....



HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:grinno:



No seriously jesss i dont know how to help out here......



Ok i have found photo of clio before detail done to give you idea of bonnet...



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Ok Zaino is nearest wall on left and if you look carefully you will see the what i call hump of the outer edge of wing sticking up slightly!!!!



Royale nearest me right side and look carefully and you can see the bonnet centre crease......



You can also tell very easily by the fluorescant tube as it is longer in royale shot due to the bonnet sloping very slightly towards me whereas zaino side slopping away...



White balance set to tungsten



aperture if i remember set to f15



Shutter i believe was around 1 second but trying to remember is difficult tbh!!!



All i can say is this...



I have no affiliation with Zymol whatsoever...



I own destiny , concours , titanium and other waxes......



I do not own any sealents apart from zaino of which i bought because i have read so much about it on the forums along with polycharger which i will purchase next....



The result i achieved was for ME to prove Paul wrong because i genuinely believed seeing photos online of cars with Zaino that i would get a better result from that being under the Royale although Paul and i quote (sorry Paul) said "You are mad......I tried this ages ago and i remeber it didnt satisfy me enough that i could offer this to my clients..If it had i would be offering it now as Zaino is a doddle to apply and remove......But by all means try it on the Clio first BUT NOT the vxr becuase you will be dissapointed"



He was right.....



I have tried as hard as i can to get a fair representation of the results and what i see on screen is a fair representation.......If you take the walls out of the equation which are different fait comment and cut the bonnet out that is what i saw and tbh i was dissapointed.....



Depth wasnt my ultimate goal it was wetness and glossyness.........Paul hates well let me refraise Paul dislikes sealents compared to carnauba and i actually like the glossy plasticy look but it didnt happen with this car......



I hope that can satisfy you some how although i am open to help if required......



God this forums so much fun.....



Thanks guys
 
Thanks. You don't need to "satisfy" anyone but yourself, bc you will have detractors no matter what you do. As long as you achieved your goals for the detail is what matters.



I was able to see a clear difference between the lsps with your other comparison photos.



What I really would like to see is an idea of the range extent of your paint color (with the Royale....you can add in the Zaino but at this point I am more interested in more Royale images) in natural lighting. Maybe the next go round of pics perhaps you can share some extended reflective range photos in different shades of natural lighting????



BTW I love the color!!
 
I believe that due to the car being garaged it should last 6 months or even more unless it gets contaminated but i generally wash at least once a week....



I am going to a motorsport function this weekend amongst the same vxrs well around 80 of them i believe so will try to get some comparison and depth shots then....



I will ask Paul to reapply another layer around july time i expect just to keep topped!!



And yes i am over the moon with the result and understand fully i will never please everyone but everyone has a valid point to make and thats fair enough:xyxthumbs
 
superstring said:
Marc, is the front of the car on the left of the frame in both photos?
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Yes the car was driven in and parked bumper facing the front which is to the left of the frame..... The shelf you see with products is on right hand wall as per detail shots of vxr....
 
vxrmarc said:
Yes the car was driven in and parked bumper facing the front which is to the left of the frame..... The shelf you see with products is on right hand wall as per detail shots of vxr....
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Thanks for clarifying that, Marc :)
 
Took a quick look at the pics, both were taken at 1/8th sec, F/4, 400ISO and at 17mm, and, within 7 seconds of each other. didn't get any obvious signs of ps work from the exif data but the different angle may have accounted for the change in exposure (unless the orig was shot in RAW and 'balanced' before changing to TIF).



For me the shots don't show an obvious left/right comparison.
 
Well they do to me because one was the left and one was the right......



Can you not see the crease in the bonnet?



Anyway onto newer pastures....



Im pleased...



And one sides better than other...end of!
 
Thankyou scott....



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