MIKE GILLEAN
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Has anyone seen or tried this wax? 51% No. 1 White Carnuba with almond, coconut, banana and sunflower oils 8 onces $444.00!!!
Zymol Destiny Estate Glaze
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Black240SX
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Yes, I use that weekly on my Ferrari.
bimmerzhp
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Yes, I use it and think it is excellent. If you are interested in buying it get the sampler kit. It includes three 4oz. containers of Zymol's best estate waxes for $169. www.zymol.com
Black240SX
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Black240SX said:
Actually, that is a lie. I don't have a Ferrari and don't use Zymol Destiny.
I do use Zymol Atlantique on my Lamborgini, though.
togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
lbls1 said:
A Zymol resolution is something to behold! :xyxthumbs
IMO only a Carnauba wax will provide colour, depth and clarity:
The three factors concourse judges look for when scrutinizing a paint film surface.
Of the three, optical clarity is of primary importance. Being able to see the paint film' s true colour is having a really clean surface, as it enables depth of shine to be seen, silicones and synthetic waxes lack clarity.
JonM
MIKE GILLEAN
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togwt. I cannot believe someone ponied up $444. for a glaze. Do you have any definitive proof of the superiority of this product? Refractive index? I see you "question everything". I am questioning your judgement. If you have demonstrable proof of this I would sure like to know. I have asked David to test and review this product, so we can cut through the hyperbole. I am aware of the performance of carnuba, but this seems over the top.:nixweiss Anal even.
MIKE GILLEAN said:
Many here will agree this is overkill. There are waxes out there at a fraction of the price that will provide excellent depth of shine/color/relfection. A few that come to mind:
-Pinnacle Souveran
-P21s / S100 Paste Wax
-Trade Secret
-Natty's Paste Wax
I'm sure there are others, these are just some I am familiar with.
MIKE GILLEAN
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bimmer330. what do you think these other oils are for? Do you believe that the molecular size of the oils actually penetrate a clear coat? I would like to see the science behind this.
Lochi
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Black240SX said:Actually, that is a lie. I don't have a Ferrari and don't use Zymol Destiny.
I do use Zymol Atlantique on my Lamborgini, though.
LOL - Actually I just sold my Ferrari and now have a Lambo.
I also was given the Vintage to me as a gift ($1400). What you may not be aware of, is when you buy it you are given a lifetime supply. You UPS the empty container to Zymol and they send you a new one.
I like P21S better. In fact, about a year ago I broke up the Vintage and mailed it for free to fellow Autopians here...
togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
MIKE GILLEAN said:
Gotta love American English âہ“I am questioning your judgement.â€Â�
Iâ€â„¢m expressing an opinion not making a judgement. The aesthetics of a vehicle appearance is very subjective to say the least, the only best wax or sealant that really matters is what looks 'best' to you
As you rightfully suggest a light meter that would show its reflectance compared to â€Ëœanotherâ€â„¢ wax would be one way to make a judgment .
JonM
Jngrbrdman
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I'm one of the lucky guys that Frank sent some of his Vintage too. I have had opportunity to compare it side by side for long term testing (that is, if you can consider 4 weeks long term) against the other main brand waxes that are discussed here on a regular basis. All of them turned out to be more durable and most of them looked as good or better. There certianly wasn't a $1400 difference in appearance or durability. I don't think anyone should marry themselves to a wax like that. You would have to use that wax on a regular basis for over 40 years to even make it worth it. Do you think you would like to go back to the car care products we were using even 25 years ago? In 40 years we may not even need waxes. Its just silly to pay that much for something when there are so many other things that look the same or better and cost a tenth of what products like Vintage cost.
Thanks again for the sample Frank. :bigups It has been fun testing it. I've definitely put it to good use. :bow
Thanks again for the sample Frank. :bigups It has been fun testing it. I've definitely put it to good use. :bow
TOGWT said:
I could not have said that better myself. At least someone understands the logic behind refined carnaubas.
Let's get to the basics please. There are some that will not agree with Zymol or any of the reasoning behind spending a lot of money on wax. There will be others that will recognize the difference in a finish quality that some of the exotic waxes are capable of.
The only thing that I can suggest to anyone is that they should scrutinize any product carefully before making a judgement. Do not be afraid to take the plunge and buy a proven wax product such as Zai ....(slipped again) Zymol and do a real comparison to other proven waxes such as Pinnacle and p21S/S100 and Meguiars. I did such an examination when I challenged Zymol, and it did change my opinion concerning their waxes. IMO there is quite a bit of merit behind some of Zymol's products, but that again is based on the conclusion I reached when I compared results.
Compare your waxes, and do not just rely on heresay. Let the proof bear itself out. You may be quite surprised in what you will see as well as what you thought your paint was capable of. I certainly was enlightened!!
SVR
Dream Machines
Zymol is owned by turtle wax which ain't good.
Paying that kind of money for any product is ludicrous.
Paying that kind of money for any product is ludicrous.
Turtle wax manufactures lower quality cleaner waxes using the Zymol product name, which is available in retail stores. The two companies are different entities.
There is (was) a pending lawsuit brought by Zymol against Turtle Wax over their agreement concerning the use of the Zymol name with the lower quality retail products.
Real Zymol wax doesn't resemble or compare at all to the cheap quality cleaner waxes with the Zymol brand name that is commonly found in auto supply stores such as AutoZone.
There is (was) a pending lawsuit brought by Zymol against Turtle Wax over their agreement concerning the use of the Zymol name with the lower quality retail products.
Real Zymol wax doesn't resemble or compare at all to the cheap quality cleaner waxes with the Zymol brand name that is commonly found in auto supply stores such as AutoZone.
Mochamanz1
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I love to try new products as well as experiment with different application processes. That being said, There are reasonable limits as to how far I can go with a single product, related to price/value. Since Carnuba's are basically not durable , the price of the Zymol makes it the Elite's choice, but simply out of reach of most of us (at least me....) I am certain Zymol wax has its great points. Could some of you Zymol users share the knowledge of what this polish does in the form of pictures please. I am truly awed that this product line commands up to , I understand, thousands of dollars for an 8 oz container.... Although personallyI cannot fathom such a price/value... It surley must exist or the company would not offer it for sale.... Zymol users , please send pics 
6cyl's_of_fury
its naturally curly......
I have tried both of the Hilton sisters ( Zymol and Swissol ) and all I can say is that there are better priced and better performing options out there.
bimmerzhp
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MIKE GILLEAN said:
I do not remember mentioning anything about oils pentrating clear coat in my initial post.
Pictures will not be sufficient in evaluating a wax's performance. Good digital pictures will support in person comparisons, and in some instances show up surprising levels of a well waxed surface's depth of shine.
You really have to compare similar paint surfaces in person, that have been prepped with the same products and/or with similar products, and then compare the competing waxes (IE: you have to buy a jar of Real Zymol and apply it properly, and then compare).
You really have to compare similar paint surfaces in person, that have been prepped with the same products and/or with similar products, and then compare the competing waxes (IE: you have to buy a jar of Real Zymol and apply it properly, and then compare).