Zymol Concours

slippy said:
David, would you say that the Zymol's have changed in any way since 1991?
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Sorry for taking so long to get back to you, I needed to do some reading to update myself.

I never followed the Zymol's after March 1995, we never used Zymol other than as a comparison with about 100 other products. In the comparison as time passed and products got eliminated on final appearance only Zymol's Concours and Fantasy3 Acrylic made it to the end with half a dozen other products. At that time durability, ease of use, UV protection, smell, color, all natural or not, packaging and marketing got no consideration at all. It was not a scientific study but a personal subjective evaluation based on our opinions of what each of us liked in a final appearance on a variety of different finishes. On the three main vehicles used for testing was established certain areas that we grew familiar with and used over and over again. For those areas we used 3M Silicone and Wax remover after each application.

It took a year or so to collect the products, many weekends to eliminate products, and a single afternoon to come up with our each favorite product looks. Which all differed, but the range or scale was so very close. There was a fourth person who earlier stormed off after she proclaimed one product to be the best because it was so easy to work with, which was not the goal. No single product at the end was over powering of the others, all very similar in looks.

Today an evaluation of this kind would have to be expanded to take into account growing number of new products available, reformulation, gloss enchanting additives, a wider selection of raw materials available and a new generation of car care enthusiasts who are younger at heart and smarter from the previous generation. A persons age and life experience plays an important part in the selecting of a particular look that is just right for themselves.
 
CalgaryDetail said:
Well there wont be any wax on red paint until the summer. Tha jag is in storage for now so it wont need a waxing untill the summer. Sorry no pics of the jag for a while
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Well just imagine this post going on until then............scary!!

J/K I know it was wishful thinking. Winter sucks when it comes to wax!
 
lbls1 said:
Well just imagine this post going on until then............scary!!

J/K I know it was wishful thinking. Winter sucks when it comes to wax!
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tell me about it. we have been around -25C the last couple of days. I have enough trouble walking to my car to start it without freezing.. waxing is a distant memory at this point.

I gotta tell you lbls1, your one mean person :yay . you keep tempinting me with all this talk of how awsome my car will look, or how great vintage is. Im getting kinda mad over here. I think im going to move to florda and live nextr door to autogeek just so i can wax my car.
 
Oops my bad (again)!!!

But I couldn't tell you that the wax is ugly...........right??? That would not be accurate.

If its any consolation, it sucks for me too. All winter I look at photos of my waxed paint just waiting for spring and the start of my wax season.

-25???? Damn that's even too cold for a QD. Swiss Miss anyone lol??!!! j/k...its all in fun!
 
lbls1 said:
Oops my bad (again)!!!

But I couldn't tell you that the wax is ugly...........right??? That would not be accurate.

If its any consolation, it sucks for me too. All winter I look at photos of my waxed paint just waiting for spring and the start of my wax season.

-25???? Damn that's even too cold for a QD. Swiss Miss anyone lol??!!! j/k...its all in fun!
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lol im just giving you a hard time. (again). -25 isnt that cold.... ok its freezing. Sneek can vouce. its COLD. Its way to cold ofr a QD, heck its even to cold for most cars. I have to walk like 100feet to my car and thats pain full. The problem is with the windchill its closer to -40 or -50.
 
Brrrr I feel for you. I was liking Canada up to now go figure. Maybe Oklahoma or Utah or any warm state that's not a tornado, hail or hurricane prone area. Maybe Rio De Janiero (spelling deficiency).
 
lbls1 said:
Brrrr I feel for you. I was liking Canada up to now go figure. Maybe Oklahoma or Utah or any warm state that's not a tornado, hail or hurricane prone area. Maybe Rio De Janiero (spelling deficiency).
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canada is great lack the cold. I love it here, and i am very very proud to be a canadian citizen. We are definlty the greatest nation on earth.. this is just my opion. i know lots of people like there nation better.

and to keep this thread on topic.. canada sucks for using any wax let alone zymol year round
 
it seems as if there are many products that produce superb results and that the best looking depends on who's eyes are doing the viewing
 
wannafbody said:
it seems as if there are many products that produce superb results and that the best looking depends on who's eyes are doing the viewing
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one thing I have learned over the past year (its as long as I have been detailing, but dont let the short amout of time fool you.. ok ok ill deflate my ego now) is that there is no product that will make everyone happy, eveyone has there favorites. I myself am still on the hunt ( and trust me i have tried ALOT to make sure i do have the best for me)

beauty is the eye of the beholder

edit: I got post 150 on this thread.. yeah
 
wannafbody said:
it seems as if there are many products that produce superb results and that the best looking depends on who's eyes are doing the viewing
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True enough though no one's eyes are as good as mine. :)
 
What I would like to know is how do you apply Zymol Concours? They say to do it by hand but I DO NOT like that method and find that it scratches my finish when I try to do that. I tried melting it in my palm and then applying with a foam applicator but that is a pain in the butt. It does seem to have a nice look like Pinnacle but definitely not worth the effort. Not to mention there are sealants out there that look just as good and offer much better durability than any Carnuaba.
 
Wow I didn't realize they were based in North Branford...hmm thats only 30 minutes away. I wonder if they have a store there.

Anyone ever been there???
 
MrDetail

Waxing by bare hands is not for everyone, if you see no enjoyment or benefits what so ever you should not try it again. And if you are scratching your finish with your hands something else is seriously wrong. I have shaken the hands of many old time detailers who made me wonder if I was going to get my hand back in one piece. Callused to almost a Velcro state from years of solvent and acid abuse has created dead layers of skin one upon another. Many must wear mechanic's protective gloves if they wish to remain in the business.

Not everyone warms up to the idea of bare hand waxing, not even Zymol's C.E.O. When told of bare hand waxing his comment was that he couldn't ask his customers to do that. Yet a couple month later, there he was with his brother on the Polo Field at Pebble Beach prepping and waxing a few fine cars bare handed for the Concours D'Elegance.

As far as how to do it goes, it should be a natural process. First a small amount on the finger tips and apply and spread. As you become comfortable and more familiar add more wax and use both the fingers and palms of the hands to spread. Speed is not the important thing, just enjoyment. A pro would not fine doing bare hand waxing cost efficient unless they were charging for the extra care and treatment.
 
David Wyllie said:
MrDetail

Waxing by bare hands is not for everyone, if you see no enjoyment or benefits what so ever you should not try it again. And if you are scratching your finish with your hands something else is seriously wrong. I have shaken the hands of many old time detailers who made me wonder if I was going to get my hand back in one piece. Callused to almost a Velcro state from years of solvent and acid abuse has created dead layers of skin one upon another. Many must wear mechanic's protective gloves if they wish to remain in the business.

Not everyone warms up to the idea of bare hand waxing, not even Zymol's C.E.O. When told of bare hand waxing his comment was that he couldn't ask his customers to do that. Yet a couple month later, there he was with his brother on the Polo Field at Pebble Beach prepping and waxing a few fine cars bare handed for the Concours D'Elegance.

As far as how to do it goes, it should be a natural process. First a small amount on the finger tips and apply and spread. As you become comfortable and more familiar add more wax and use both the fingers and palms of the hands to spread. Speed is not the important thing, just enjoyment. A pro would not fine doing bare hand waxing cost efficient unless they were charging for the extra care and treatment.
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well put, i dont think waxing is for everyone, like you said, Its one of those things (like everything in detailing) where some like it and others dont. Its a personal thing. I know i enjoy doing it on both mine and customers cars, lets me get closer to the paint
 
David Wyllie said:
MrDetail

Waxing by bare hands is not for everyone, if you see no enjoyment or benefits what so ever you should not try it again. And if you are scratching your finish with your hands something else is seriously wrong. I have shaken the hands of many old time detailers who made me wonder if I was going to get my hand back in one piece. Callused to almost a Velcro state from years of solvent and acid abuse has created dead layers of skin one upon another. Many must wear mechanic's protective gloves if they wish to remain in the business.

Not everyone warms up to the idea of bare hand waxing, not even Zymol's C.E.O. When told of bare hand waxing his comment was that he couldn't ask his customers to do that. Yet a couple month later, there he was with his brother on the Polo Field at Pebble Beach prepping and waxing a few fine cars bare handed for the Concours D'Elegance.

As far as how to do it goes, it should be a natural process. First a small amount on the finger tips and apply and spread. As you become comfortable and more familiar add more wax and use both the fingers and palms of the hands to spread. Speed is not the important thing, just enjoyment. A pro would not fine doing bare hand waxing cost efficient unless they were charging for the extra care and treatment.
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My hands are not callused but I still found that I scratched the finish some how. I also did not rub hard at all. I don't know if the wax was not warm enough since the concourse feels gritty until it is melted. I was able to apply it via a foam applicator after melting it in my palm and then transferring it toi the applicator without scratching. The concours smells so great it is a pleasure working with it so time is not an issue as I enjoy being around my car and apply coat after coat of Zaino unnecessarily just for enjoyment. For my show cars looks is my only concern, not how long it takes to apply, cost or durability but somehow I find a good sealant looks best for me on my black paint. I think the key word are "for me" since every bodies taste is different. Who know what I would be using if my car was a different color or maybe even a different brands of paint. I guess I should be happy since the Zymol is so expensive. Probably not a habit I want to get into. LOL

Is there any special method for applying buy hand? Straight lines or circle? I was always taught circles are a no no but it seems like the logical way when doing by hand. Exactly how do you do it? How much wax at a time etc etc etc...
 
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