Zymol Concours

Funny, I feel the same way when people talk about a certain synthetic (Zaino). When someone offers a dissenting opinion, people seem to be quick to attack someone just because his or her opinion differs. However I seem to miss where I attacked anyone or ridiculed anyone for their op in this thread.

Again, this person has not yet asked directly what other people thought of it. That's why I think that Calgary's opinion really counts in this thread he started, in which he unselfishly shared his enthusiasm.

Police...........not in "my book."
 
lbls1 said:
Peurre Carnauba Wax!

Edit: To be honest I haven't yet exposed my car's paint (car #1) to the winter's elements uncovered. It would be interesting to see how this wax behaves as a "daily driver" wax. As it stands, though, It lasts (in the garage) to a point that I argue with myself for having to take it off when I re-start my wax routine in the spring.

I may need to try the Zymol on my daily driver one of these days!!!
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As I have stated before I have read this thread with interest. I thought that I had pertinent information that would contribute to the thread. I have had a chance to use this product on an everyday driver.

If stating that a product on a daily driver is "adequate but nothing special" is putting down a product then I am guilty. It truly is my opinion and experience. Of which you have stated that you have no experience.

If this was your thread then your comments would be considered differently by me. As it sits I take umbridge to the fact that you would tell me what I can or cannot say in a thread when others have swayed from the initial post. But when I post my findings from a test that was in context with the tenor of the thread I find your comments to be in the form of forum police. Nothing was said when there was talk of improper grammar. Nothing was said when there was talk of marketing hype.

You ARE entitled to you opinion. As am I!
 
I find your position to be very confusing. Show me anywhere where I said that you could say or not say anything. Show me in which way what you quoted me as saying has any relation to what your post was describing. You did not mention in that post (#78) that you were testing a Zymol on a daily driver or in daily driving conditions.

I don't find any relationship with what you are discussing and with what I posted or the topic of this thread, so I'm not debating this with you beyond this post.
 
lbls1 said:
I don't find any relationship with what you are discussing and with what I posted or the topic of this thread, so I'm not debating this with you beyond this post.
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GREAT!!
 
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calgaryDatail said:
Does McDonalds have golden arches?
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I'm not all that familiar with Zymol products other then wathching a video where a detailer charging $5,000 per vehicle ..i ddidn't know the entire line is recommended by hand..I think your comment was a bit sacarstic..i maybe wrong but this is how it came across to me.. i feel you out a line esp since i have showed plenty of suppurt for you threads..

in part of this thread i had posted the same questiom as wether Zymol concour was to be used more for show cars then daily drivers after seeing my post i was embarassed how i could have posted with out proof reading the thread..But i see cwcad posted the question as to wether zymol concourse is geared more to show cars then daily drivers..Thanks for puting
the same question in perspective...i'm another one who has bought many products based on hype.. for know i'll sticking with the many items i have to help me get a better understand due to the fact i have no long term relationship with one product or the another..but i have tried many and beleive i can make a good honest personal evaluation..
 
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joe.p said:
I'm not all that familiar with Zymol products other then wathching a video where a detailer charging $5,000 per vehicle ..i ddidn't know the entire line is recommended by hand..I think your comment was a bit sacarstic..i maybe wrong but this is how it came across to me.. i feel you out a line esp since i have showed plenty of suppurt for you threads..

in part of this thread i had posted the same questiom as wether Zymol concour was to be used more for show cars then daily drivers after seeing my post i was embarassed how i could have posted with out proof reading the thread..But i see cwcad posted the question as to wether zymol concourse is geared more to show cars then daily drivers..Thanks for puting
the same question in perspective...i'm another one who has bought many products based on hype.. for know i'll sticking with the many items i have to help me get a better understand due to the fact i have no long term relationship with one product or the another..but i have tried many and beleive i can make a good honest personal evaluation..
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Hey joe, im sorry i really didnt mean it to be sarcastic. Its somthing my dad always said.. i guees i am to. I just didnt want to pos t a post that onl said yes I am. i thought I woud spice it up. Sorry joe..
 
IMO as far as daily drivers go Carnaubas are dinosaurs and should be permanetly shelved-and I'm speaking from experience. I've used very durable carnaubas such as Collinite 845 and they accumulate and trap dirt unless washed frequently. Sealants such as Zaino and Duragloss seal paint pores longer and better and wash cleaner. For a strictly show car it probably doesn't matter. As for Zymol-it's mostly marketing. A high price insinuates quality. The fact that it might look different than $15 Natty's could lead one to conclude it is better. it reminds me of a marketing article I read. A glass manufacturer designed specially shaped wine glasses. They told potential customers a lie that the shape of the glasses made wine taste better. They then used their wine glass in head to head competition with other wine glasses. People routinely chose their glasses as having the best tasting wine. Bottom line- perception is reality.
 
For those who have used the Zymol Cleanse HD how does it compare to the regular Zymol cleaner wax?
I have used the cleaner wax, and I really like it. It's very effective, and I've used it under a sealant without any problems. I wonder if the HD has less carnuba content?
Thx-Goose
 
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CalgaryDetail said:
Hey joe, im sorry i really didnt mean it to be sarcastic. Its somthing my dad always said.. i guees i am to. I just didnt want to pos t a post that onl said yes I am. i thought I woud spice it up. Sorry joe..
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aplology accepeted :)...you could of said does a bear sh*t in the woods ;)..This thread as made for some good reading
 
Z06-Goose said:
For those who have used the Zymol Cleanse HD how does it compare to the regular Zymol cleaner wax?
I have used the cleaner wax, and I really like it. It's very effective, and I've used it under a sealant without any problems. I wonder if the HD has less carnuba content?
Thx-Goose
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HD Cleanse has zero carnauba content. It's a paint cleaner and nothing else.

Wow! I can't believe where this thread is going. Zymol and Zaino inspire such strong feeling on these forums. You never see people get in arguments like these over DP Max Wax. :D
 
Mikeyc said:
HD Cleanse has zero carnauba content. It's a paint cleaner and nothing else.

Wow! I can't believe where this thread is going. Zymol and Zaino inspire such strong feeling on these forums. You never see people get in arguments like these over DP Max Wax. :D
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Everyone likes to feel as if their money is well spent. The more one spends on a product, the better they want to feel about their purchase. Therefore it has to be good.:yay
 
GearHead_1 said:
Everyone likes to feel as if their money is well spent. The more one spends on a product, the better they want to feel about their purchase. Therefore it has to be good.:yay
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I think the issue is that when people spend a lot on a wax they assume it's far better than it's cheaper competitors. Understanding how products are marketed I'm very skeptical of that assumption.
 
You really have to try the product and compare it to other lsps in order to determine whether the hype is real or not. Apparently there are a few that have tried Zai..oops Zymol and have nothing but great things to say about it.

I believe that if a product delivers on its claims, in which it demonstrates its abilities over its competitors, then its market share (and unfortunately its price) is justified. If the product fails in your comparison, then at least it was a learning experience and you will definitely know that it didn't live up to its claim, and you will also be able to tell others how your experience was in using it (so tempted to say it but I'll behave!).

BTW I am currently using a carnauba on my daily driver, and so far it has done very well in appearance and durability. Carnauba is definitely here to stay!
 
wannafbody said:
I think the issue is that when people spend a lot on a wax they assume it's far better than it's cheaper competitors. Understanding how products are marketed I'm very skeptical of that assumption.
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i cant speak for the world but i know this is not the logic I use. I am always looking at trying somthing new. ALWAYS, ask around people on this forum will agree I always want the next product.
I never judge a peoduct based on who makes it, how much it costs or what the claim is. I give every product a fair shot, regardless.
Like I have said i will give a review on concours. The only mention of price will be the price of the jar so that other who are intrested can decide if they can afford it
but i have to sat for myself i dont jusge based on price i judge pased on performance
 
CalgaryDetail said:
i cant speak for the world but i know this is not the logic I use. I am always looking at trying somthing new. ALWAYS, ask around people on this forum will agree I always want the next product.
I never judge a peoduct based on who makes it, how much it costs or what the claim is. I give every product a fair shot, regardless.
Like I have said i will give a review on concours. The only mention of price will be the price of the jar so that other who are intrested can decide if they can afford it
but i have to sat for myself i dont jusge based on price i judge pased on performance
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Good to see this thread still going. I am on vacation in Cancun:cool: and got a chance to get here. CalgaryDetail, Great point. I wait your experiences. personally, I feel you will love it.

And, thanks to Al and Mike for the heads up on collonite. Now back to the pool.
 
I'm very interested in the results as well. Let me know how this works out as I'm on the fence about purchasing this concourse wax that you speak of
 
To compare collinite#845,to a High-End carnauba,is quite frankly ridiculous.Collinite#845 contains a type of resin,along with carnauba,which may explain it's longevity.

Quality,High-End carnauba waxes(Zymol,Swissol.Victoria Wax),will never become 'Dinasours'.These formulas will always be sought arter by enthusiasts,for as long as we have cars,and car shows.The 'looks' created by carnauba,still cannot be duplicated by any synthetic products;the warmth,richness,colour reproduction,subtlety is unique to fine carnauba waxes.

To this day,the exact composition of carnauba wax still has not been identified,and so cannot be recreated.I for one,will allways be 'in love' with the High-End carnauba's,not only because of the unique results they produce,but also for what they represent.
 
lbls1 said:
I believe that if a product delivers on its claims, in which it demonstrates its abilities over its competitors, then its market share (and unfortunately its price) is justified. If the product fails in your comparison, then at least it was a learning experience and you will definitely know that it didn't live up to its claim, and you will also be able to tell others how your experience was in using it (so tempted to say it but I'll behave!).
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Zymol is a good product, in 1991 both my son and I got hooked on it when it was touted as being All-Natural.
 
slippy said:
David, would you say that the Zymol's have changed in any way since 1991?
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I havent been using zymol for that long, but from what I read and heard(i spend to much time looking this stuff up) zymol has revamped most there products. The most recent example is ital, they rasied the price ALOT. Reading the ingredients and carnumba %'s they are exaclty the same. Also from reading around all the new forumlas appear to be axaclty the same. Im not sure what alot of the revamps were but I know they have happened.

Also if you are intrested in trying a high end wax but dont want to give zymol a try for whatever reason give David a call and order some victoria wax (he dosent tell people so I will).
I did a review on his concours wax, it was an awsome wax. That might be an option for those who dont want to spend 200 bucks on a jar of wax.
 
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