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Ben D.

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Where does Zaino's PC swirl remover fit in the world of polishes/compounds. I've been doing lots of research and I'm just wondering wehre it fits in.



Like I'm reading about Menzerna products and they have a beautiful table that illustrates their different polishes and how they fit from compound up to finishing. Would Zaino PC be considered a fairly aggressive type of polish/compound or is it not very aggressive?
 
Ben D. said:
Where does Zaino's PC swirl remover fit in the world of polishes/compounds. I've been doing lots of research and I'm just wondering wehre it fits in.



Like I'm reading about Menzerna products and they have a beautiful table that illustrates their different polishes and how they fit from compound up to finishing. Would Zaino PC be considered a fairly aggressive type of polish/compound or is it not very aggressive?
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ZPC is not aggressive, it is a mild polish that I would use simply as a good abrasive paint cleaner as well as it lays a good foundation for any of the Zaino sealants.
 
Would this be effective at removing very minor swirl marks in a few key places on my vehicle?

Does ZPC even have any corrective abilities like Zaino states is it really just a good thing to clean the paint a bit



what about ZAIO. will ZAIO have any bit of abrasive in it? According to the site it has a very mild abrasive, would this almost be like almost like the finest of fine finishign polishes



It's a 2008 dodge ram , in black, i have a few minor swirls I have seen maybe in two spots on the truck that i'd like to take care of. I do not have any ZPC at the moment but I have pretty much all the other Zaino products. I'm thinking the ZAIO will be able to take out the minor swirl marks i have maybe not? Opinions?



we are talking about swirls that are only visible when in direct light and under intense scrutiny at a very close distance. less than one foot away. any farther can't see them and a total area of maybe a third of a square foot.
 
I've used both of those products with a PC on Dodge paint. Dodge paint isn't *really* hard, but it's not particularly soft, either. I have had *very* limited success with the PC and ZPC or ZAIO. With a rotary, they both do *much* better. ZPC scales well with the type of pad you use it with. Used with a wool cutting pad, ZPC does some pretty sweet correction. Used with a finishing pad ZPC is capable of finishing of nicely. But again, this is with a rotary. Neither product really has what it takes to do much correcting/polishing when used with a PC on Dodge paint.



They really are good polishes. You just need to use them with a rotary to really get the potential out of em. ZAIO leaves a shine like you can't believe.



If you are using a PC, and are serious about correcting that Dodge paint, your best bet would be with Menzerna Super Intensive Polish on a orange 4" LC pad. Repeat application of SIP as necessary to get the swirls/defects out, then follow up with Menzerna PO106FF on a 4" white LC pad for at least two applications. You'll get *much* better results with these two polishes than you will with ZPC and ZAIO.
 
Yea I'm definately not going to be using a rotary. lol I don't have a PC yet but It's in the works. I'm trying to learn more before I purchase.



It seems to me and *Correct if i'm wrong* but Zaino seems to make a great product for finishing and protecting paint but it's definately better to move towards other brands like menzerna for corrective purposes.



My current plan is to take a few days off of work and go to the truck like so. Dawn wash (to get off wax the dealer put on it), Z18 Claybar, ZAIO, Z5,Z2, ZCS, and Z8. I'm going to examine along the way to see what progress I get.



In this process I guess ZAIO fits in sort of like a prewax cleaner/Base for all other zaino products to bond to. Which and once again *correct if wrong* AIO is basically advertised as a pre wax cleaner for the zaino products. Even with a rotary does AIO have any amount of abrasive to it?



would you recommend just not getting any ZPC since I'm not going to be buying a rotary or using one lol. and just going with some Menzerna polish and a PC with some good lake country pads?
 
ZPC leaves a very nice finish, but I wish it was a little more aggressive. I usually use ZPC for rare stubborn water spots.. nothing else.



I use Z-AIO as my base for the Z polishes.
 
Ben D. said:
Yea I'm definately not going to be using a rotary. lol I don't have a PC yet but It's in the works. I'm trying to learn more before I purchase.



It seems to me and *Correct if i'm wrong* but Zaino seems to make a great product for finishing and protecting paint but it's definately better to move towards other brands like menzerna for corrective purposes.



My current plan is to take a few days off of work and go to the truck like so. Dawn wash (to get off wax the dealer put on it), Z18 Claybar, ZAIO, Z5,Z2, ZCS, and Z8. I'm going to examine along the way to see what progress I get.



In this process I guess ZAIO fits in sort of like a prewax cleaner/Base for all other zaino products to bond to. Which and once again *correct if wrong* AIO is basically advertised as a pre wax cleaner for the zaino products. Even with a rotary does AIO have any amount of abrasive to it?



would you recommend just not getting any ZPC since I'm not going to be buying a rotary or using one lol. and just going with some Menzerna polish and a PC with some good lake country pads?
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Yup, for sure. Zaino Z2/Z5, Z-CS are really well repected LSP (Last Step Process) products. But for paint correction and polishing (especially if you're going to be using a PC), it's very hard to beat Menzerna Super Intensive Polish and Menzerna PO106FF Nano Polish. If you do get a PC, please do yourself a favor and get 4" LC pads. They will give you much better correction/polishing potential out of the PC than bigger pads will.
 
Makes sense. I may invest in ZPC at some time right now i'm really only set up for the process I outlined from AIO on up through. applying by hand at this point. so getting into aggressive stuff would be kinda silly until I have a PC and LC pads and such



do you find that ZPC leaves a haze or any other marks that require some sort of finishing polish to take care of.



I think what i'm going to do is try my process see what results I get and over time get more into the porter cable orbitals and the more abrasive polishes because i'm sure as time moves on they will be needed to remove certain imperfections that come up. In the meantime i'm going to continue to try and learn more and more. I don't want to start too aggressive with a brand new vehicle.

but my next definate purchases are going to be a PC and Menzerna polishes as well as LC pads and a whole amazing amount of microfiber and chamois and such. right now i'm using premium bath towels the way sal zaino says but i'm feeling froggy and want to try microfiber and see if it truly is the devil that Sal makes it sound like lol



I think i'm getting this guys lol. If you havn't figured it out i'm almost on the line of neurotic about this truck. I'm 19 it's my first new vehicle and to be honest I'm afraid of anythign happening to it. Plus I want it to look amazing every day that I step outside and look at it.
 
Z-PC should not haze. It's actually a finishing polish before applying an LSP. If you do experience any hazing with Z-PC you can refinsh with Z-AIO since the abrasives are finer than Z-PC.
 
SIP is a good polish but if you are going to use it with Zaino you need to wash the car afterwards or use Prep All to make sure you have a clean surface. I've read of smearing issues with Zaino over SIP or 106. I personally like ZPC as a swirl remover and others have had good success on hard corvette clear with it. Maybe it's because I'm using CCS pads and that allows for longer working times.
 
I've personally had great success following M105 via rotary with ZPC via UDM. Left a flawless finish and removed all holograms and micromarring.



ZPC is one of my favorite polishes but is kind of finicky and really pad dependant IMO.
 
BlackSunshine said:
I've personally had great success following M105 via rotary with ZPC via UDM. Left a flawless finish and removed all holograms and micromarring.
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I do this as well, but with a PC.



Quick tip I've found to counteract some of the quick drying of Z-PC. In the 8 ounce bottle, run a 7 ounce ZPC mix to 1 oz Z6 mix. The QD will help it stay wetter, longer.
 
G35stilez said:
I do this as well, but with a PC.



Quick tip I've found to counteract some of the quick drying of Z-PC. In the 8 ounce bottle, run a 7 ounce ZPC mix to 1 oz Z6 mix. The QD will help it stay wetter, longer.
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Interesting Sean. I will have to give that a try. The smell of ZPC on a warm summer's night brings a smile to my face every time.
 
SuperBee364 said:
I've used both of those products with a PC on Dodge paint. Dodge paint isn't *really* hard, but it's not particularly soft, either. I have had *very* limited success with the PC and ZPC or ZAIO. With a rotary, they both do *much* better. ZPC scales well with the type of pad you use it with. Used with a wool cutting pad, ZPC does some pretty sweet correction. Used with a finishing pad ZPC is capable of finishing of nicely. But again, this is with a rotary. Neither product really has what it takes to do much correcting/polishing when used with a PC on Dodge paint.



They really are good polishes. You just need to use them with a rotary to really get the potential out of em. ZAIO leaves a shine like you can't believe.



If you are using a PC, and are serious about correcting that Dodge paint, your best bet would be with Menzerna Super Intensive Polish on a orange 4" LC pad. Repeat application of SIP as necessary to get the swirls/defects out, then follow up with Menzerna PO106FF on a 4" white LC pad for at least two applications. You'll get *much* better results with these two polishes than you will with ZPC and ZAIO.
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You apply ZAIO with a rotary? Hmm. I generally don't here of people apply AIO's with a rotary. What pad do you use.
 
bert31 said:
You apply ZAIO with a rotary? Hmm. I generally don't here of people apply AIO's with a rotary. What pad do you use.
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Yeah, I do. Black LC foam or equivalent jeweling pad. When you apply ZAIO that way, it leaves a fantastic finish.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Yeah, I do. Black LC foam or equivalent jeweling pad. When you apply ZAIO that way, it leaves a fantastic finish.
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I wonder if I should apply Jeff's Werkstat Prime Strong with my Makita rotary instead of the UDM?? What do you use to apply Danase Wet Glaze with? DA or Flex rotary?
 
DA for DWG. The only reason I use the rotary for ZAIO is to take advantage of the light abrasive. When you add the chemical cleaning, light abrasive, and sealant all up in the ZAIO, it makes for a good cleaning product. I skip the IPA wipedown if I'm going to use ZAIO before whatever sealant is gonna be used.



DWG isn't a cleaner. It doesn't have any abrasives or chemical cleaning agents. It's just a sealant based glaze. So it really doesn't need to be applied with anything more than a DA.
 
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