ZPC=Squeaky clean?

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RCBuddha

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I've been very happy with Z2Pro, Z6 and a few other products from Zaino. However, one thing that I've noticed is that whenever I use ZPC, the surface that I feel after buffing it off doesn't have the "squeaky clean" feel that I get with say, Menzerna.



I thought it might be my technique, so I tried it a few different ways via PC, Cyclo and Rotary. In all cases, there seemed to be something that was left behind, the surface feeling smooth and slick.



It seems that the common thought on most boards is that sealants need a clean surface to bond to (i.e. squeaky clean), so for those who use ZPC with regularity, am I the only one who is getting these results?
 
lambostealth said:
Mine feels the same way, but my Z2/5 doesn't "seem" to have any problems bonding.
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Yeah, I guess that's my question more than anything else. Is the surface I'm feeling the ideal or Z2/Z5 or do I need to do an IPA wipedown?
 
I may be able to clear up some confusion. On one occasion, I had a chat with Sal Zaino about Zpc. I was told that ZPC first off, was not developed to compete with menzerna or the like, but instead to fill a gab in the Z system, which was swirl removal. As with other polishes such as menzerna Sal recommends a 50/50 alcohol/water wipe down; however, with the Zpc, such a wipe down is not necessary, and you can go right to the z5pro or Z2pro.



By "squeaky clean," I assume you mean the finger squeak you get often with menzerna. I will check next time I use the Zpc because I can't honestly remember, but I know when I am done the finish is left slicker than menzerna, with the same type of look. ZPC is water based which is great because there isn't the oils that sometimes make it a pain to completely remove.



Hope that clears up some of the issues.



Greg
 
I know this is going to start the ball rolling but that simply isn't "water" that separates out of ZPC. Dip your finger and rub em together. Squeaky clean is clean. Slick means that *something* is left behind.
 
GregCavi said:
By "squeaky clean," I assume you mean the finger squeak you get often with menzerna.
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Greg, that is what I mean. To me, the IPA wipedown gives you the same feeling, a clean surface to which to apply Z2/Z5. For whatever reasons, I don't seem to get that with ZPC alone. I'm ok with ZPC's paint cleaning and swirl removal abilities, I was under the impression that the goal was to have the surface "squeaky clean" for the Z2/Z5.
 
I think you are feeling the oils in the Menzerna that ZPC does not contain. This is why you get optimal bonding after using ZPC vs another SSR. :up
 
However, one thing that I've noticed is that whenever I use ZPC, the surface that I feel after buffing it off doesn't have the "squeaky clean" feel that I get with say, Menzerna.
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I find Z-PC leaves behind a very smooth surface-I actually like Z-PC better than the Menzerna polishes I have. I find it a bit easier to work with as I can just work it in and it dusts very little. The trick is use little and work it in on "6".



I wonder if you are feeling a bit of dust residue. I find that follow-up with a Z-6 wipedown works very well.
 
Try wiping down with IPA and see if it feels any different. I also noticed how slick it felt and did an IPA wipedown to get rid of all the DUST. Still felt the same. I believe ZPC breaks down pretty fine, maybe that is what makes the surface super smooth?
 
SilverLexus said:
I wonder if you are feeling a bit of dust residue. I find that follow-up with a Z-6 wipedown works very well.
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Nope, no dust residue, I had first thought I wasn't working it long enough, but I tried with all three of my machines, working on dark green paint, and working it till it was translucent. In each case, there felt like something was being left on the surface.



Again, if that's some sort of Z-special coating to ensure bonding, then great, I'll continue to use ZPC happily. My understanding was that the goal of prepping for a sealant was a squeaky clean surface (thus the IPA wipedown like mentioned earlier).
 
Z-PC was formulated for a perfect match with the sealants available from Zaino. Any polishing residuals,which are non-silicone / carnuaba /syn wax, that may remain are "completely", "perfectly" and intentionally designed for the optimum bonding of the Z2/5.



My guess is that the residue is very similiar to what is in Z1 and may even actually enhances bonding. Since using Z-PC, I have found Zaino durability appears even better. :nixweiss
 
blkZ28Conv said:
My guess is that the residue is very similiar to what is in Z1 and may even actually enhances bonding. Since using Z-PC, I have found Zaino durability appears even better. :nixweiss
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Thanks Edwin, that's what I was thinking, I just wanted to see if anyone else was getting the same results.



SilverLexus said:
I'll talk to Sal and see if I can learn more...
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Please let us know what Sal says...
 
I'd assume whatever you are feeling is part of the ZPC lubrication system (non oil). Nothing to fear as it is completely Z compatible. Give Sal a call if you want more info.
 
wannafbody said:
I'd assume whatever you are feeling is part of the ZPC lubrication system (non oil). Nothing to fear as it is completely Z compatible. Give Sal a call if you want more info.
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So you "assume" what it is but have no problem stating that it isn't an oil of any type???



Is ZPC supposed to contain a polymer of some sort??
 
SpoiledMan said:
So you "assume" what it is but have no problem stating that it isn't an oil of any type???



Is ZPC supposed to contain a polymer of some sort??
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Sal has stated emphatically that ZPC contains no oils. I don't believe it contains a polymer either. I'd really suggest talking to Sal if you have a different opinion or want more info.
 
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