Zaino report after 3 months.

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FidoAUTO

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Back in May I detailed a MB CLK430 with 40,000 Miles (64,000 km's).... The car had never been polished or waxed. The owner owns 4 hair salons and does not care nor has the time to clean it.......... Prior to may I was soliciting for his business for 2 months and when he finally gave it to me I couldn't let him down.....



I dont have pics of the original detail but what I did was:



-Dawn Wash

-Clay Bar

-ZPC Fusion via PC (2 passes)

-wipe with Z6

-Z5w/zfx

-Z6

-Z2pro x 2

-Z6



the car looked stunning and it was 98% swirl and scratch free (gotta love that soft MB clear).... so yesterday he calls me and told me his light bulb was out and asked me to pick up his car..... since I do offer full maintenance to all my customers that need it, I went to pick it up.... and this is what I see......





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then to top it off someone must have been bored and did this...



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:eek: :eek:



seeing as I only had an hour the only thing I could do was hope and pray that when I washed it, it wouldn't look like It did when he first gave it to me three months ago.



I washed the Car with Zaino's soap and dried it with a few large Microfiber..... and I am glad to report that the car STILL beaded like it did the day I gave it to him.... the Zaino showed no signs of weakening, I didn't even feel 'tempted' to throw on a quick coat of Z2p.... I did give it a once over with Z8 and the car looked 'waxed' again.... or so thats what the customer 'thought'...... but I did tell him the truth..... "JUST A WASH"......and I got the reply... 'why doesn't it come out like that when I wash it??'......



well this is how the car looks like 3 months and 5000 km's later....not 98% swirl free due to the elements and road grime but still shining like it did.....



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Beautiful!





I had an IDENTICAL experience to yours as well.





After detailing my girlfriend's mom's Volvo wagon, it never saw soap for about 75-90 days. Covered in muck, junk, and dust, she ran it through a swirl-0-matic (some people are uncurable). As she drove up the driveway, that "Zaino shine" was extremely prominent. I ran my hand gently over the surface and it was about 60-70% as slick as the day I applied it. I, too, was pretty stunned.
 
Coupe said:
Did you give him any washing tips?
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lol... you know what?? he just doesn't care .... he's got the funds to call me whenever he wants but as you can see... it seems as if he is pretty confortable getting the car to that point!! just the thought make me --- > :hairpull :wall





G35.... lol @ swirl-o-matic!!... I'm gonna use that word from now on when refering to the brush washes.....
 
It's the one's that don't care that put money in detailers pockets. Lazinees, the American Way, there is a price and profit to be made. It's just a matter of which side of the line you are on.



I have a Prius that comes in the shop regularly and the guy works at a Resteraunt and the interior is tan, but when he brings it in it is black from his filth. Not to mention the Prius is white. Next time it comes in I'll try and take a picture of it. Oh yeah, it smells like the ocean with dead fish.
 
I normally don’t post when I see a post like this one but this time I will. Z7 is a wash and wax in the same bottle – you can take a car that is not beading at all and wash it with Z7 and it will bead like crazy. Read the website and it states contains “Show Car Polish� right in the description of the Z7. Z7 is part of the durability of Zaino system and when not used I believe it hurts the durability even though it still one of top in durability.
 
DennisH said:
I normally don’t post when I see a post like this one but this time I will. Z7 is a wash and wax in the same bottle – you can take a car that is not beading at all and wash it with Z7 and it will bead like crazy. Read the website and it states contains “Show Car Polish� right in the description of the Z7. Z7 is part of the durability of Zaino system and when not used I believe it hurts the durability even though it still one of top in durability.
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I think you are mistaken...It is not a wax at all. Here is the link I looked at:



http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-7&Category_Code=Zaino
 
May not be a "wax" but it clearly states it contains several ingredients from the "Show Car Polish"......



From the Zaino web site:



Z-7â„¢ Show Car Wash is a concentrated blend of special cleaners, conditioners and our famous Show Car Polish ingredients that clean and enhance the gloss of painted surfaces. Z-7â„¢ Show Car Wash gently cleans your car without using harsh detergents, alkali or acids. Plus, our special water-based lubricants buffer the paint to prevent scratching and reduce the risk of swirl marks, even on black and red cars.



Our unique formula produces loads of suds, even in hard water conditions. And, the suds last and last. With Z-7â„¢ Show Car Wash, you won't have flat wash water before you're finished washing your car.



To keep your car looking its best, Z-7â„¢ Show Car Wash includes Ultra-Gardâ„¢ UV(40), to renew protection from the sun's harmful rays, and several polymer ingredients from our Show Car Polish systems. You will love the results.
 
A 5-year übersealant will last good with periodic "conditioning" as well. ;) If Z7 beads like this (I've never used this), and includes UG40/polymers, then maybe it really adds something to the whole package. But using a W&W type product, a customer can be fooled thinking that he sees/feels the actual protection and beading of the initial sealant application, but in reality the W&W does its job. Obviously, having a great detergent proof sealant as a base helps a lot.
 
The "protection" provided by Z7 isn't likely to last more than a day on it's own. I notice this with many quality washes.
 
Sorry guys..... but the awesome beading happpened on the 'dirty' surface as well, I also forgot to mention that the surface was as slick as the day I did it....
 
Zaino has a very comprehensive system, Starting with clay all the way to a spray sealant (Z8). Yes, Z7 aids in the maintenence of the in-place sealant but not at the expense of its cleaning ability. A wonderful combination.

Can Z7 used "alone" and provide any measureable protection? No, but it is sure nice to know that washing with Z7 also adds to the finish's protection at the same rejuveniating the appearance via excellent cleansing. :xyxthumbs
 
ZaneO said:
The "protection" provided by Z7 isn't likely to last more than a day on it's own. I notice this with many quality washes.
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Usually the better washes to have some ability to make the paint bead but like you say, it isn't something to rely on for protection.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Can Z7 used "alone" and provide any measureable protection? No, but it is sure nice to know that washing with Z7 also adds to the finish's protection at the same rejuveniating the appearance via excellent cleansing. :xyxthumbs
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:nixweiss :nixweiss :nixweiss
 
Statman said:
I think you are mistaken...It is not a wax at all. Here is the link I looked at:



http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-7&Category_Code=Zaino
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I have always have trouble with what Z2 and Z5 are. On Zaino website they call the both polishes but there is no mention of polish in the description of Z-PC. What I get from the website is Z2 and Z5 are polishes without abrasives and Z-PC is a swirl remove with no mention of being a polish. Just backwards of what I have been told for 40 plus years. Wax might be a wrong term but I think polish is also inncorrect - so I use wax as verb not a noun. :nixweiss
 
Z2, Z3 and Z5 are synthetic sealants. Z-PC is an abrasive polish. I love my Zaino but it is just plain weird for a top of the line type of product to have product definitions which differ from the end users product definitions. They are not unique but they are the worst offender. Plus, they have a rep for being a product with a long process, which is not true. It's no longer than any other wash, clay, polish, lsp system. Great service with the ability to call Sal, but bad communication with their clients through product names and processes.
 
Interesting results. I will be checking on a 3 month old application of Z5 and Z2Pro that I did at the end of May, and so I wonder if my observations will be the same.
 
johnhoefer said:
Plus, they have a rep for being a product with a long process, which is not true. It's no longer than any other wash, clay, polish, lsp system.
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I dont know about you man, but I have to disagree with you on this. Zaino is known and is a product with a long process. WHat other product asks for dawn wash, clay, dawnwash, prep, product with accelerant, buff off, quick detail, product, buff, QD, product, buff, different, QD?



Hell, I just got tired from just writing that.



Done correctly, which should always be a priority for somebody that is really into detailing, is a must. Some people just dont have time for that kind of process.



If you read the webpage, the QDs (Z6, Z8) are supposed to be applied in 2'x2' section by wiping the towel vigorously and turning frequently. That alone is a very specific, time consuming process, let alone the Z2/5 application and buffing.



I love Zaino and the results are just unbelievable, but sometimes I dont feel like putting a whole day into it. When its all done and good I just stare and feel the Z8 slickness, which is just super slick.
 
I believe the Zaino application process stresses Prep, which in reality is not really part of the Zaino sealant application.



Wash-Clay-Polish should be part of any initial LSP pre-application process. Zaino does not contain or depend on masking agents (oils) to mimic a perfect finish so in order to achieve the best appearance results one must prep well. This is not a problem for detailing website readers but may be a significant problem for the week-end vehicle washer.



Isolate the prep and Z application is quite simple and not timely in its basic plan. Z2/Z5-drops of ZFX with 1.5 minutes shaking- apply thinly to finish - buff off after completing application. One may need to wait 15-20 minutes depending on size of vehicle and weather.



Z6/Z8 application between coats is optional and application in 2x2 areas would be require for any concentrated QD/Spray sealant if applied outdoors. Indoors I spray per panel without any problems.



After initial prep and application or application of the 2nd or 3rd layer normally can be accomplished in less than an hour.



The point of this thread is to note that a 3 months unwashed vehicle maintained it protection and appearance. Extremely important with winter coming soon. :xyxthumbs





By the way FidoAUTO, excellent durability review of a sterile (no wash,Qd, QEW, etc) vehicle. :2thumbs:
 
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