Zaino lasted only 2 weeks, which one caused it?

[Glossmaster]

As usual, I'm in total agreement with BlkZ28Conv. He speaks the truth! While many people use AIO as a base for Zaino, I chose not too. I've achieved terrific results using Z5 (zfx) /Z2 Pro (zfx) simply by following the directions enclosed with my package of Zaino.

 

[Mochamanz1]

I don't think any wax or sealant will last less than 2 weeks except MAYBE in extremely adverse conditions..(i.e. very high temps, heavy rains every day)



The Zaino and AIO are probably still there. You probably have a film of dirt/pollen on the surface that is causing rain to sheet : once it is washed off the beading will likely return.

In previous discussions, and especially on the subject of beading, there has been controversy over what beading actually constitues. I tend to agree that surface dust ,pollen, and other contaminates cause water to sheet off the surface of paint. However, just because the surface does not bead in an expected manner, does not mean that the protection is not there.... nor , after washing, does it mean there is no protection. Pollen can damage a protective surface if wiped down without a QD. Just speculation ,of course. I might add, Zaino Z2Pro is quite robust and tenacious, and I would be suprised if, even using AIO ( which is and was a sound start) as a base, the Z2Pro just went away in such a short period, I have tried even application of Z2Pro over dissimilar (carnauba Waxes) products and had better durability than 2 weeks. I believe the originator when he says it (the Sealant) isnt evident, but there is a missing piece of information somewhere. Either the enviornment, some application glitch, or other factor overlooked somehow. I mainly use the Z system correctly, step by step (the best bet) , but also have experimented, misapplying it ( other than recommended combinations )with good to exellent results for a year now (Edit: on different cars, of course). Now my Daily driver, it gets changed so much, I would never notice ! Such a long time with one application ! ...it seldom happens.:bounce



There is another thread concerning possible changes to AIO.... Might be something there to look at...

 

[imported_memnuts]

Would this be with or without AIO? Zaino works great with following the directions online but adding AIO seems to bring additional shine to the party.

This time if paint doesn't need re-cleansing (after 2 weeks the paint should still be in post-AIO (good) shape).

Just wash, Z6 and re-apply Z polishes using either Z1 or ZFX.



Next month Zaino will introduce its own paint cleanser/polish and this "to use AIO or not to use AIO" will be mute and a personal choice between what is best (Zaino recommendation) or what works for you.:xyxthumbs

 

[tripper_111]

Next month Zaino will introduce its own paint cleanser/polish and this "to use AIO or not to use AIO" will be mute and a personal choice between what is best (Zaino recommendation) or what works for you.:xyxthumbs

---> :bounce :bounce :bounce

 

[RedondoV6]

Respectfully Mike, you state that you have had durability without using ZFX or Z1. I believe this is a aberration rather than the norm.

No problem Edwin, I'm just going to disagree with you on this, specifically on using Z2 Pro with no ZFX and on principle! :lol



When I first tested application of Z2 Pro without ZFX, I only tested a square of paint on the hood of my Pilot that measured about 18" by 18" and I did it just for fun. After noticing just how well this application method not recommended by Zaino worked, I decided to test it on the hood of my Accord. I'm only three weeks into this test but so far the results seem very similar to my first test, the Z2 Pro is holding up very well.



I haven't really concluded anything from these results except that in the short term, applying Z2 Pro without ZFX worked fine on well prepped Honda clearcoat and that Z2 Pro, even without ZFX performs better and outlasts some other sealants often discussed here on Autopia. Only time will tell what the eventual outcome will be of my testing. I fully intend to run the test until the Z2 Pro exhibits signs of failing, I'll report back then.



On the importance of investigating aberrations, I wonder where we would be if the first cavemen hadn't noticed the aberration that striking certain types of rock together caused sparks and that these sparks could start a fire. Or if the guy that invented Velcro just looked at his trousers and said "thatâ€â„¢s a funny how certain kinds of seeds stick to fabrics ... naaaa .. Itâ€â„¢s just an aberration! Or if Flemming hadn't take an interest in the penicillin mold that had infected one of his staphyloccus cultures? Full investigation of aberrations if often the "mother of invention", when we ignore aberrations we lose out, simple as!



To bring the discussion a little closer to our Autopian home, not too long in support of using Dawn as a "one off" car wash you posted this:-



"I guess I also should save my vinegar (water spots) for my salads, Bon Ami (great glass cleaner/polisher for the kitchen porcelain, oil (glazes, and carnauba) for my crankcase and salads again, Woolite for my delicate clothing"



My point is that Autopia is all about experimenting, noticing aberrations, improving on manufacturers guidelines where possible, in fact, doing just about anything to improve the final results of our detailing. Take that thirst for excellence away from Autopia and it would quickly become a very boring forum!



Iâ€â„¢m not recommended the use of Z2 Pro without ZFX or Z1, Iâ€â„¢m just raising a flag on what I consider to be some very interesting results Iâ€â„¢ve experienced. My hope is that a few other Autopians with enquiring minds will follow and report their findings. Until they do, I do to think anyone can call my results of using Z2 Pro without XFX an aberration as suchâ€Â¦ just an application method which is not promoted by the manufacturer.



Enough said!

 

[imported_memnuts]

Mike,

Other Autopia members use to call me the "mad scientist" here at Autopia a few years back. I love experimenting and reading others results from "stepping-out-of-the-box". :xyxthumbs



My belief on Z2-PRO applied to a surface without Z1 or ZFX has reduced the sealant's ability to bond to the surface to that of applying a carnuaba or other variant sealants. These variant sealants and canuaba are "weakly" bonded to the painted surface and normally can give 4-8 weeks of protection (depending on environment conditions). Because of this I am not surprised that you are still experiencing some protection during your test period so far.



One of the main reason for using a true crosslinking sealants like Zaino and Klasse is for durable protection. By not using the bonding agents (Z1 and ZFX) one is negating this feature.

Only recently with the reformulation of the Z2 to the Z2-PRO has a durable alternative been able to challenge other types of protectants (LSP) on the appearance level and negating the durability feature has reduced Z polishes to just another average durable LSP.

Mike, please keep us up-dated. :xyxthumbs