Zaino: How hard should it be to remove application?

G

Genesis

New member
Hello All:

Hoping someone could help me with a question of mine. I recently applied zaino for the first time and I was wondering how difficult it shoudl be to remove the application by hand?



Should it require hardly any pressure? or does it take a good bit to get the application off? Just curious, because I just did my wifes brand new black jetta and it took some pressure to get it off.



I use the ultra plush microfiber towels from pakshak (the yellow ones) for application removal. I would cry if I did something wrong....sigh :(
 
ZaneO said:
It should be relatively easy. How much product did you use for 1 coat?
Click to expand...



I guess that might be the problem. I was able to get a good two coats out of one of the little zfx bottles (I filled it half way, which is 1oz). I probably had enough left over to do a good bit of the 3rd coat, however, I was short of time and could not add it. Does it seem like I put too thick of a coat?



Additionally, when you say easy to remove, could you define easy? Do you mean just a gentle wipe, as if I am wiping off dust?
 
Since I had to use some pressure, I am guessing I probably scratched the paint up a little bit. :( I could cry :(



I have some #80, but I am not quite sure on how to apply it. I have a terry cloth applicator specifically for it, but I am unsure if I am suppose to add pressure when using this and a bit unsure on whether I should let it dry for an extended period of time. The bottle really does not go into much detail.
 
Scottwax said:
It shouldn't take much pressure at all if you laid down a thin coat.
Click to expand...



The operative word here is THIN COAT. If you can get a thin coat, it should be as easy as anything else out there. If you don't, you're in a world of hurt.

It's probably just me, but I have a real hard time spreading it thin, so I don't use Zaino that much.

According to the folks at GuruReports, you can cover a Chevy Suburban twice using one ounce, but I don't know how realistic that is. I can get 2.5 coats on a midsize sedan on one ounce, but I'm no Zaino expert.:D
 
termigator said:
The operative word here is THIN COAT. If you can get a thin coat, it should be as easy as anything else out there. If you don't, you're in a world of hurt.

It's probably just me, but I have a real hard time spreading it thin, so I don't use Zaino that much.

According to the folks at GuruReports, you can cover a Chevy Suburban twice using one ounce, but I don't know how realistic that is. I can get 2.5 coats on a midsize sedan on one ounce, but I'm no Zaino expert.:D
Click to expand...



The problem is, I just have nothing to compare the difficulty of removing Zaino too. To be honest, this is the first time I have ever applied anything to a car.......the wife and I usually had crappy cars and never bothered.



I mean, its not like I had difficulty removing the wax. It did come off, but I was definitely pushing my microfiber on the paint to get the zaino off.
 
When I use it, it takes more pressure than you would use when wiping off dust. It's difficult to describe pressure in words.



Most first time users will put it on too thick (Please don't take that personally, I was there once too). This will take longer for it to dry as well as make it more difficult to remove. As you mentioned, you want to avoid the pressure to avoid potential scratching/marring of the paint. It does take time to learn how to put Zaino on thin. When you reach that point, it feels like you're barely putting anything on the surface.



Getting 2 coats (with one to spare) with 1oz of Zaino doesn't sound too bad, but I think the bottles that come in the box hold 4 oz. if I recall correctly, so if you filled it half way, it's 2oz. not 1 (someone please confirm or correct the amount those bottles can hold).



Maybe it didn't have ample drying time. Another tip is to use some Z6 over the affected area and continue to wipe...and not rub. If you're not sure if it's ready to be removed, then use your finger and wipe a small spot. If it comes off clean, then it should be ready to remove. If it smears, it still needs some time to dry.



You're right, the bottle doesn't tell you too much. These instructions can be found on the Zaino website. Also, there is a good "Manual" in the Hall of Fame forum on Zaino. There are a lot of threads on Autopia regarding Zaino, but if you do a search on Zaino, your computer will explode or you may bring down the internet. :p



Hope this helps
 
Thanks SK2003TypeS and ZaneO for the replies:

I let it dry, probably, about 25-30 minutes (in shade). If i were to rub my finger across the coat, it would have definitely wiped off (no smearing). Again, I think I was applying more pressure than I should have been, but my arm was getting a bit tired after claying, applying AIO, and then two coats of Zaino (plus the wash).



I guess I need to definitely be more careful next time. I guess I should prepare to remove any scratches I created. Any advice on using #80 speed glaze? The trunk panel had some swirls in it when we got it, but I had no luck using #80 on it. I used a terry cloth applicator and used it prior AIO. It seemed as though I got zero results and felt as though I was wasting my time :(
 
Genesis said:
Since I had to use some pressure, I am guessing I probably scratched the paint up a little bit. :( I could cry :(



I have some #80, but I am not quite sure on how to apply it. I have a terry cloth applicator specifically for it, but I am unsure if I am suppose to add pressure when using this and a bit unsure on whether I should let it dry for an extended period of time. The bottle really does not go into much detail.
Click to expand...



Unless you really went hard at it, you shouldn't introduce scratches unless your towel wasn't 100% cotton or MF or if it wasn't clean.



As for No. 80, don't worry to much. Just apply it with light to moderate pressure. The key is to make sure you work it long enough that that the diminishing abrasive work properly and you end up with a high gloss, non haze finish. If you stop to early, the compound won't have broken down a sufficient amount and you'll end up with a cloudy type of finish.



Paco
 
As some have stated, applying a micro thin coat of Zaino is the key. Everytime I've used the Z5/Z2 Pro it's pretty much fallen off my truck on it's own, so to speak. I remove it with a concours buffing towel using a feather lite touch. Next to P21S & Souveran, it's the easiest product I've ever removed!
 
termigator said:
The operative word here is THIN COAT. If you can get a thin coat, it should be as easy as anything else out there. If you don't, you're in a world of hurt.

It's probably just me, but I have a real hard time spreading it thin....
Click to expand...



You are not the only one that has a very hard spreading thin coats :( That is why I apply the products with the PC and a finish pad :D. That way, even collinite 476S goes in very thin EVEN coats.



I would suggest application by PC to all those, who like me, have a hard time spreading thin coats by hand, specially with finickier products.





Alex
 
I always use the term "whisper thin" when descibeing how to apply Zaino. And It should come very easy. Probably the easiest of all LSP products.
 
AlexRuiz said:
You are not the only one that has a very hard spreading thin coats :( That is why I apply the products with the PC and a finish pad :D. That way, even collinite 476S goes in very thin EVEN coats.



I would suggest application by PC to all those, who like me, have a hard time spreading thin coats by hand, specially with finickier products.





Alex
Click to expand...



Glad I'm not the only one to have problems with Zaino applications! I've been toying with the idea of using my PC to spread it too. Will probably try it next time. In any case Zaino definitely does not get a "10" in application and removal. Right, "Bro"?:D :D :D :D :D
 
How long are you letting it cure? Do you use ZFX ? I have no problems removing even a heavier than normal coat with 100% Terry towels. I have applied Zaino in temperatures as low as 50 F with no removal problem. MF works great, but I think the mass of the terry cloth helps. I dont have to use much in the way of pressure to get the Z2Pro off. I like using the applicator to apply simply due to the ability to apply my Zaino directionally. The oscillating pad of a PC does not allow for that. As you know, applying the (any) sealant according to the part of the vehicle (vertically for side panels, front to back for hood, cab, rear panel/trunk) helps increase the reflectiveness.:xyxthumbs
 
I will say this.......I feel the Z5 is much easier to "work" than the Z2 Pro, which is a thicker consistancy than the Z5. I use either the Zaino Terry applicator or a Micro Fiber applicator dampened with a combo of Z6 & distilled water when I'm applying the Z2 Pro. Seems to work well for me, allowing for a micro thin layer of Z2 Pro. The key is to work The "Z" in as much as possible. I know too many people who just wipe the "Z" on without working it in, thus leaving it on to thick. ** Just my thoughts **
 
BlkTac05 said:
I will say this.......I feel the Z5 is much easier to "work" than the Z2 Pro, which is a thicker consistancy than the Z5. I use either the Zaino Terry applicator or a Micro Fiber applicator dampened with a combo of Z6 & distilled water when I'm applying the Z2 Pro. Seems to work well for me, allowing for a micro thin layer of Z2 Pro. The key is to work The "Z" in as much as possible. I know too many people who just wipe the "Z" on without working it in, thus leaving it on to thick. ** Just my thoughts **
Click to expand...



Do you think I would have an easier time removing Zaino if I use terry cloth instead of MF? I've been thinking about trying out Meguiar's new Gold Class Ultra Plush Terry towels.
 
term..........

The Concours buffing Towel works tremendously, removing Zaino. ( I use it to remove all of my Waxes/Sealants ) I also know that ZaneO likes using the Pakshak towels with Zaino. Try the CBT!!!!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top