Zaino hates me (Z2/Z5)!

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imported_RaskyR1

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Well, at least it hates my car! :(

I went ahead and ordered new bottles of Z2 and Z5 last week since my others were about 2 years old and I wanted to eliminate that as a possibility.

Last night I did the following.

Wash with Dawn (hate doing this)
IPA
ZAIO (works very well)
Z6
Z5/ZXF

I let the Z5 sit for 1.5 hours and it wasn't dry yet. So I decided to let it sit overnight and try agin this morning. NOPE! Still not dry. It looks like it's wiping off but when I pull out the brinkmann you can see the smearyness left behind...I give up! I probably have 25-30 waxes/sealants on my shelf and none of them give me trouble like this. Even after going over the car with some Z6 I still had some smeary areas. I ended up washing the car again and simply got into work late today.

Maybe it's just my paint, which is a PITA, but my other LSP's don't give my trouble like this.

I will try it on another vehicle using my same prepping steps and see if it acts the same. It's worked well for me before, I just don't know why it's being a PITA now.

It was around 75-80 in my shop last night and the humidity was pretty low.



End rant. :cursing:
 
Sorry to hear this Chad, it's not paint I think, try a wipedown 50/50 first and then put you coat of Z5 on and see if that works. I think it's something on finish or your using alittle too much Z5. just my .02 cents
 
zoomzoom mazda5 said:
Sorry to hear this Chad, it's not paint I think, try a wipedown 50/50 first and then put you coat of Z5 on and see if that works. I think it's something on finish or your using alittle too much Z5. just my .02 cents
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I'm going to pull out my test hood tonight and try it on there. I put it on so thin that I can barely see it, and my car is solid red. I've read all the tips and tricks more than a few times and nothing seems to make a difference. I even bought some Z-PC to use for a clean base, but that didn't finish very well. :confused:
 
Rasky,

What is the year and model of the car? I have seen in my lifetime some cars that just do not like some products. German clearcoats are usually the ones but I have seen this happen with a few others. Usually a wipedown with a good Quick Detailer ( like Magic Shine) will do the trick.
 
matt@wheelwax said:
Rasky,

What is the year and model of the car? I have seen in my lifetime some cars that just do not like some products. German clearcoats are usually the ones but I have seen this happen with a few others. Usually a wipedown with a good Quick Detailer ( like Magic Shine) will do the trick.
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'08 Acura TSX, Milano Red (tinted clear)

This car has given me lots of trouble with polishing as well and has the "sticky paint" I'm sure you've read about on the forums. The only polish I have been able to finish with on my car via rotary is the UK 3M Ultrafina and UK pads. I can use others with the Flex or PC but they do not finish down as well as UF.


zoomzoom mazda5 said:
Or to save you all that trouble just stick with Blackfire Wet Diamond...:thumbup:
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SOLD! :D
 
I agree with Angelo, find something that your paint likes and don't look back. There are many things that could have caused the reaction with your Zaino Z5. The dawn, the humidity since you have that there in MN, or your paint might not want to accept the polymer used in Z5. Detailing is an art, with a little science thrown in. That's what makes it so much fun.
 
Hey Rasky... I've had some of the same issues with Z5P. It just doesn't want to dry. I usually wipe it off whether it's dry or not. Secondary problem... this usually leaves streaking, which can be removed by applying Z6 or Z8 after wiping off the Z5.

Hard to understand since ZFX is supposed to accelerate drying time dramatically.
 
I've actually started removing the Z5 or Z2 immediately after application, and not waiting until it's fully dry.

I haven't seen any difference in shine or longevity.

I know that the Zaino website doesn't recommend this practice, but, if it won't dry anyway, what difference does it make?
 
Luster said:
I've actually started removing the Z5 or Z2 immediately after application, and not waiting until it's fully dry.

I haven't seen any difference in shine or longevity.

I know that the Zaino website doesn't recommend this practice, but, if it won't dry anyway, what difference does it make?
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I'll give that a shot. ;)
 
Rasky,

Tell me - how much Z5 and how many drops of the ZFX ??

Did you shake it for 1.5 minutes, let it sit for a couple of minutes, then shake it again before you started using it?

It has to mix good before it will work, sounds like either the ZFX is dead or something with the amounts of each, or the mixing, or a combination..

Did you go back and email Sal or call him about it ?

Hope you can get this worked out - good luck, let us know how we can help..

DanF
 
I fill the little bottle about 1/4-1/5 of the way and add 4 drops. I did make sure to shake it as listed on the sheet...and then some.


Even if the ZFX is bad, it's my understanding that it's really only needed if you plan to layer right away. The Z5 should have dried over night in the shop with about a 75deg temp and low humididity.

I'll try it on my test hood tonight and post back tomorrow. ;)
 
RaskyR1 said:
Well, at least it hates my car! :(

I went ahead and ordered new bottles of Z2 and Z5 last week since my others were about 2 years old and I wanted to eliminate that as a possibility.

Last night I did the following.

Wash with Dawn (hate doing this)
IPA
ZAIO (works very well)
Z6
Z5/ZXF

I let the Z5 sit for 1.5 hours and it wasn't dry yet. So I decided to let it sit overnight and try agin this morning. NOPE! Still not dry. It looks like it's wiping off but when I pull out the brinkmann you can see the smearyness left behind...I give up! I probably have 25-30 waxes/sealants on my shelf and none of them give me trouble like this. Even after going over the car with some Z6 I still had some smeary areas. I ended up washing the car again and simply got into work late today.

Maybe it's just my paint, which is a PITA, but my other LSP's don't give my trouble like this.

I will try it on another vehicle using my same prepping steps and see if it acts the same. It's worked well for me before, I just don't know why it's being a PITA now.

It was around 75-80 in my shop last night and the humidity was pretty low.



End rant. :cursing:
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Hi Rasky

I had this problem once when applying Z2 with ZFX, and i had to almost scrub it off, i found out i layed it a little thick, ever since no problems.

I read this thread, and i see that you can try a couple of things before giving up..

When you applied the ZAIO did you mix it with ZFX?
If no, then try applying Z2 or Z5 without ZFX, really really thin, and see if it easy to take off, i usually do the finger swipe, if its clear i wipe off, if not dampen the buffing towel with Z6 or Distilled water.

The other thing i read is that you state you m ixed 4 drops of ZFX to 1/5 of bottle. Well 4 drops is for 1/2 of polish. The bottles are 2 oz. in size, so you're over mixing, try 2-3 drops instead, or use 4 drops to 1 oz. of polish.

If all else fails, call Sal Zaino, he's really kewl and he will help you through anything , concerning his products, just tell him Claude the Nut told you to call him.

Good Luck
Claude
 
Well here is the little test I have set up right now. First I washed and clayed it well followed by an IPA wipe down. Then I ran over the hood with some SIP and PO85RD as it's been sitting outside for some time. I followed that up with a good IPA wipe down.

Hood
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I figured I'd throw in some Blackfire and do a durability test at the same time. ;)
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First coat applied, thin as usual.
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I'll go out later tonight and see how it's coming off. :)
 
Rasky - how much Z/2 or Z/5 did you put in the bottle ? I read you put in 4 drops of ZFX catylst.

Zaino says 4-5 drops of ZFX for each ounce of their Polish, Z2 or Z5.

I never use more than 1/2 oz of either product to go around a vehicle 3 times, and I only put in 3 drops of ZFX to that 1/2 oz.

I use Z6 on the Zaino applicator many times until its wet enough to move easily, and have found out consistently that the 1st coat of either product is the hardest to get right, because the surface is clean, and the pad is not as damp as it will be say by 2nd-3rd coat.

After the 1st coat is on and removed, the other 2 go on way easier for me.

I even went to the trouble of buying some 1/2 oz plastic bottles and weighing them on an electronic scale empty and with product to be sure I was getting the chemicals right, and have had no problems.
I had an '05 Acura RL in beautiful Opulent Blue Pearl, and it had many coats of Z5 Z/2 before I turned it back in and it was easily the most beautiful car on the Acura Dealer's lot ! They sold it in like a few weeks. I dont have any more experience with that marque's paint but imagine the TSX is coming from the same place using the same basic paint, just different colors..

Good luck, let us know how it is going! The hood you did is beautiful !! Wow!!

DanF
 
I've posted my thoughts on Zaino not long ago on here. Zaino is very temperamental.

Last time I used Z2, I left it on for 15 hrs. It never dried. It was a PITA to remove. Yes, I applied it very lightly.

I never had the problem with the old non pro Zaino. The new Zanio looks very good along with Z8, but if I'm going to have to go through what I went through everytime I use Zaino, it's not worth it imo.

I may give it another try (one day) and see what happens before I write Zaino off.
 
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