Zaino argument

Re: Stay Cool

CharlesW said:
One thing we all need to keep in mind.
Detail City is the friendly forum. Even when something is not agreed with, don't let it become personal. If that happens, a lot of the appeal of DC will be lost. So far, that has been a real strong point with this board. Hopefully we can keep it that way.
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Absolutely! :D
 
Hey Fuzz ...how did I get dragged into this one:confused:

I respect the "M" word not allowed anymore:rolleyes:

And put your shirt on ..this is a family site...roflmao
 
Maybe the shirt is on and its just flesh colored. You know that last picture was just a tuxedo t-shirt anyway. The bow tie is always real. :D
 
yeah but what about that hairy arm....:eek:

isn't it nice how I've diverted this thread awya from the topic..lol

let's all get along ..and respect the "M" :p
 
I read that original post 3 times and cannot find anything in it that's fundamentally incorrect. Yeah, there's some hype in it but edit that out and it seems pretty accurate.

A few people have chastised the post for having incorrect or missing facts. But no one has said what facts are missing nor have they posted the correct facts. So, what facts are missing or incorrect from the original post? Don't get fancy, just list them and the correction one by one.

I stand by, awaiting your factually-correct responses.
 
admin said:
I do not have an MSDS sheet, but I would be safe in saying it is more than none but less than 100%
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LOL, good luck on the MSDS.

Lemme ask you this: How much solvent is in Platinum's products? And how does that number compare to the other brands you sell?
 
OK, Bret get one thing straight.... virtually all wax or polymer products contain some form of solvent. ( I have sampled a solvent free product but it isn't available for sale yet.)
It is not a bad thing, it is just a fact and some do have more than others.

Off hand, not having the MSDS in front of me I belive that UPP is 15%-17% mineral spirits.

Some higher octane products on the market range from 25% to 75% percent. The solvent most commonly used in quality products is oderless mineral spirits. Naptha is often used in some products as well.
 
You know something...? If someone told me that the square root of 3435872348723 was a block of cheese, then I don't think I would need to tell you the correct answer to say that the answer they got was wrong. I don't need the chemical breakdown of all the products in the world to know that blanket statements, from someone who didn't make the product no less, about all other products are more than likely wrong.


edit: PS... RESPECT THE MULLET! :D
 
The Fuzz said:
You know something...? If someone told me that the square root of 3435872348723 was a block of cheese, then I don't think I would need to tell you the correct answer to say that the answer they got was wrong. I don't need the chemical breakdown of all the products in the world to know that blanket statements, from someone who didn't make the product no less, about all other products are more than likely wrong.
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Let's not assume having one wrong answer leads to ALL wrong answers. Just because whoever wrote that post offered one (so far) incorrect statement does not mean the entire post is incorrect.

I think its important to separate fact from fiction. Its a key method in educating people. The ultimate goal is to teach them to separate fact and fiction on their own. Telling people an answer is wrong and not helping them figure out the right answer does no one any favors.

There's a learning opportunity here. What help can you offer?
 
My question to you is. What help can you offer Bret?

Three reads and it took me to point something out to you? Tell me your better than that.
Did you just happen to miss it or did you choose not to acknowledge it? I like how you then turned it into something about our products. That was great.

They key issue here, even though innacuracies were pointed out, is not the accurate statement of facts but the attitude of "this product is the best and none of the others can even compare".
If that is true to you, fine. We do not need to convert you.

But it does not hold true for everyone.
 
I am totally convinced that Tassadar copied that post off another forum and posted it here without telling us where he got it. It refers to Clay and we don't have any mention of clay in the recent past. That post is totally taken out of context and isn't worth arguing about since the person who wrote it isn't here to defend it. Time to respect the mullet or this case will be closed!
 
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My question to you is. What help can you offer Bret?

Three reads and it took me to point something out to you? Tell me your better than that.
Did you just happen to miss it or choose not to acknowledge it?

They key issue here, even though innacuracies were pointed out, is not the accurate statement of facts but the attitude of "this product is the best and none of the others can even compare".
If that is true to you, fine. We do not need to convert you.

But it does not hold true for everyone.
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I'm not sure what help I can offer. Then again, I wasn't one of the folks stating the original post had inaccuracies. But I do think having this discussion can be helpful for those who want to learn more about the products they use on their cars.

I missed the comment about "non solvent". Sorry, I'm only human.

I'm looking past the attitude and trying to dig a little deeper. Attitude is a great cover up for all kinds of things. But truth and knowledge are out there for those who don't let themselves become sidetracked.
 
Amazing, absolutely amazing!

Hundreds, maybe thousands of car care products out there that use silicones, carnauba, solvents, abrasives, chemicals that I have no idea why the chemists felt they needed to be part of their product. Yet they all share one thing, they are just no darn good. I just read that in a post on Detail City. No, I don't know who wrote that post, but it must be gospel since it tells me what product is the only one to use. Just wait till all those other manufacturers find out how stupid they are in thinking they know something about formulating car care products.

Doesn't my post sound dumb? Well so does this thread. Use what you prefer, just don't try to tell me I will destroy the finish on my car if I don't use some particular product. My last van was 14 years old and all those terrible products seemed to keep it looking pretty good. No ruined clear-coat, scratched or worn through paint. Take away a few door dings and it still looked better than when I bought it new.
 
YES! For God's sake this is not me!

I am jsut wanting to see what you guys have to say. I repeat, that was NOT ME. All I put in was "What do you guys have to say about this?"
 
Re: Amazing, absolutely amazing!

CharlesW said:
Hundreds, maybe thousands of car care products out there that use silicones, carnauba, solvents, abrasives, chemicals that I have no idea why the chemists felt they needed to be part of their product. Yet they all share one thing, they are just no darn good. I just read that in a post on Detail City. No, I don't know who wrote that post, but it must be gospel since it tells me what product is the only one to use. Just wait till all those other manufacturers find out how stupid they are in thinking they know something about formulating car care products.

Doesn't my post sound dumb? Well so does this thread. Use what you prefer, just don't try to tell me I will destroy the finish on my car if I don't use some particular product. My last van was 14 years old and all those terrible products seemed to keep it looking pretty good. No ruined clear-coat, scratched or worn through paint. Take away a few door dings and it still looked better than when I bought it new.
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Amen Charles! I knew that you would have a way of saying it best. You are always an excellent "voice of reason". I really respect that.

But I do have to admit that I often wonder.... had you used a much more superior product for 14 years would the door dings have disappeared or perhaps never have happened in the first place?

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Tassadar said:
YES! For God's sake this is not me!

I am jsut wanting to see what you guys have to say. I repeat, that was NOT ME. All I put in was "What do you guys have to say about this?"
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Well, it turns out that Blinded isn't so blind after all. lol

I figured it wasn't you that wrote it. For future reference it would help if you would put it in the
blocks or something like that. Or at least link the source. Speaking of the source... Where did you find that at?
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Re: Re: Amazing, absolutely amazing!

admin said:


Amen Charles! I knew that you would have a way of saying it best. You are always an excellent "voice of reason". I really respect that.

But I do have to admit that I often wonder.... had you used a much more superior product for 14 years would the door dings have disappeared or perhaps never have happened in the first place?

:D
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If I could find a product to cover up door dings then my bitchin camaro would be show worth again. I hate those!!! It seems that no mater what I use on the car it just makes them show up worse.

Very well put Charles. :) I know you may not dig my style, but I dig your posting. :D Well said. >clap< >clap< >clap<
 
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