zaino and numerous layers

I am always reading how bad Dawn is but have never seen or experienced any damage caused by its occasional use. I have trouble believing that it can cause the kind of damage that acid rain and winter salt can do to a car.



I have yet to read one post stating,"I used Dawn and [anything detrimental] happened to the paint or rubber trim."



I have however seen statements like Dawn was not strong enough to clean my paint so they use another product with much harsher chemicals.



I just don't get all the controversy over the use of Dawn.



And Sal does NOT recommend it for regular use. Only as one time thing before starting the Zaino process.
 
Use your Zaino, and use your Dawn......To each their own.

As for Clearkote, people speak very highly of any product that works for very well for them, whats the big deal about that ? I dont see nearly the hype with CK as with Z......I have yet to see Z sell itself to me......(Doubt if i will either) my $.02
 
I am a Zaino user, I also use other products. They all have their advantages a disadvantages. It's all about personal preference. I do have to agree about Sal, he's a stand up guy and will personally answer any of your questions!
 
Greg...I'm a troll now? I appreciate the kind words.



I simply pointed out something I found interesting. Nothing more, nothing less. I did not tear down the layering concept. I did not bash the product. I did not proclaim any product to be superior. You chose to interpret my post that way.



I do not sell on these boards. You will not find me trashing other products. I have stated several times that I have used Zaino in the past and that it is an excellent product. I have also used many other products. If I mention a certain product, it is because I think it is a possible solution.



Have a good day.
 
Scott P said:
It's pretty interesting that he wanted to speak over the phone concerning this. My guess is he didn't want an email floating around various forums with him stating that Zaino does not bond after a certain number of layers.
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I just found it interesting you like to speculate about why Sal offered to have a person call him to talk about his products because he has this supposed "alterior agenda" of Zaino not bonding after a certain number of layers. I suppose you have proof of this or are you just speculating out of your ***.
 
Greg said:
I just found it interesting you like to speculate about why Sal offered to have a person call him to talk about his products because he has this supposed "alterior agenda" of Zaino not bonding after a certain number of layers. I suppose you have proof of this or are you just speculating out of your ***.
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You have to admit (ok, you don't, but I'm sure others will) that the idea that adding a large number of layers of Zaino to a surface is often touted as a special ability of Zaino. Although Sal may not be preaching this, I'm sure he doesn't mind his cutomers using lots of product. The more they use, the more they buy. It's really quite simple.



Since I am not Sal Zaino, I can not speak for him. I only am making a guess based on an observation I found interesting. You should be quite familiar with this practice. Or, are you just tossing out accusations for fun?
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
......I have yet to see Z sell itself to me......(Doubt if i will either) my $.02
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I could say that I don’t see any of the "fly by night" products selling to me as well. and I pay for My Z..



Zaino has been around a few years, it works.. Bottom line..

3 coats or 300 is up the the person putting it on their car.



In the future there will be many new products come.. then go...



I can remember many products getting pushed here, then before you know it the same people are pushing the next new thing...



I can remember when Autopia wouldn’t let people play this game, back and forth, flame to flame.. It is just crazy..

I hope that DB will see that all this BS will be the end of the forum, people don’t want to come here and see these Pi$$ing matches.. It is about the cars.. and the Love of detailing..



well at least it use to be.. Now it is about making a quick buck and on to the next Product.



Ok, now go ahead and call me a Zaino Follower or what ever you want. I take care of 3 cars at home and 5 at work and only 2 out of 8 have Zaino on them.. get over it..
 
zaino is good. so are a lot of other products. i've used lots of them and i personally like zaino the best! just one man's opinion.
 
Scott P said:
You have to admit (ok, you don't, but I'm sure others will) that the idea that adding a large number of layers of Zaino to a surface is often touted as a special ability of Zaino.
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Yes, because you CAN. Most sealants/waxes you CAN'T.



Although Sal may not be preaching this, I'm sure he doesn't mind his cutomers using lots of product. The more they use, the more they buy. It's really quite simple.
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Actually, he would be a MUCH better businessman if he didn't make the dang stuff so durable. Maybe he should get in the pseudo-polymer business which is all the vogue or start cranking out carnaubas. That will get the usage up.



Since I am not Sal Zaino, I can not speak for him.
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That's right.
 
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster"



The above is a moden translation of a quote from Nietzsche.



To the non Zaino users who insist in crashing into every thread that is discussing the use of Zaino, why do it ? I do not see other users behaving in this way at Autopia regarding other LSP's, why is it necessary for Zaino, especially by those of you who do not use the product? Do you really think you are making a positive contribution to the forum when you do this?



To my fellow Zaino users, please just ignore the flame baiting and continue to discuss how best to use the LSP of your choice. It's a real shame that many Zaino threads end up in self destruct mode and the good contributions are lost in all the BS. Please do not respond to the kind of blatant baiting of Zaino users that has been going on recently and help keep Zaino threads on subject.



Life is too short to be fighting monsters....
 
It would be awesome if the moderators could keep their personal differences to themselves and not stir the fire...
 
Since when do moderators not get a say in the conversations? Moderators are members, too. Let's not exclude, discount their input because they help keep the community together.



Thanks,

db
 
Maybe this will lighten the mood.... ;)



The best red X animation ever!



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Greg said:
No better than Scott at selling his Clearkote products. :rolleyes:

Edit: Oh wait, you don't see Sal or any other Zaino salesmen on these boards. Why? He doesn't need trolls selling his products, they sell themselves. So you tell me who is a better salesmen, someone who has lots of product reps that push rave reviews on products they sell, or someone who knows the product firsthand that would talk to you on the phone about it and your questions.



Sal doesn't recommend applying all these layers, it is the owners of the cars who enjoy doing so who do this. Don't make Sal to be a bad guy because I will guarantee you will not find better service than Sal and his products. BTW: You don't have to use Dawn, its a recommendation for the masses who don't have the desire to be anal car owners, but who simply want the best protection they can buy. Also, what damage has dawn done to your car? And don't give the Meguiars answer "Dawn is not working forward in the paint process."
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FYI: I use neither Z**** or ClearKote.



Salesmen or reps here? Nah, I doubt very much. He already has YOU and the likes for free, doesn’t he?



You might want to read what's the deal with Dawn? , so you know why’s.



Z**** is the only wax company that have DAWN included in its “systemâ€�. P&G never recommends DAWN for cleaning cars/removing wax; I’ve never heard any REAL formulators/Real chemists do either, regardless of one time, weekly, monthly or yearly use, etc…. None, Nada!!!!



Dawn may/may not hurt your car, but I am concerned about the chemicals used after it. Z**** has been around only a few years, go figure….Unless Z**** proves that P&G is wrong, I can assure you that Z****will not be in my garage anytime soon.



It’s just me, I play safe!
 
I never said that moderators shouldn't contribute, but I do think that personal difference play far too large a role.



Thanks for the sarcasm, though :)
 
Nothing wrong with playing it safe. I go to the extreme and never drive several of my vehicles in any type of bad weather. Even I must state that this is a little too extreme. :o Similiar to fearing a single pre-application Dawn wash at the same time allowing ones vehicle to take a acid rain bath several times a month.



You may want to read your referenced thread a little closer. No valid reason was ever presented that demonized Dawn or similiar products for their creating/causing problems with infrequent use. Zaino is probably the only protectant company that recommends this one-time Dawn wash for several reasons:

The uniquenesss of this product requires a uniquely clean surface for maximum performance.

Zaino's honesty in terms of not max'ing profits by selling a pre-cleaner car wash with the same properties as Dawn.

Zaino's faith that most people can read directions. One time use.



I still find it very amazing, I own / purchased (except pre-production products (many suppliers) and use many type of vehicle protectants. Why so many - for the fun of it.

This is the only product that exposes and brings out critics, not of the product but ancillary items that have nothing to do with the performance or appearance of the product. Some may not like the clarity and inability to hide prepping shortfalls. Valid reasons why not to prefer this LSP.

I guess the most recent criticism is good "personal" Customer Service. There has to be something evil about the ability to talk directly with the company's owner, product formulator and experience auto paint user.

Quite strange. :nixweiss



Addendum: I agree with RedCarGuy with his analysis about the present atmosphere here. Zaino is not the only product that brings out negatives. Other examples are NXT and Zymol. Both fine products that somehow cause people to sling crap. Why?

We use to be able to discuss, dissect the hype, solve problems with usage and move on. What is quite disturbing are rude and crude statements with the only seemingly intent is to stir the pot. Several are from members who have just joined within the last month. I wish the moderators would note these off-the-wall non-contributing statements and counsel them about the once great etiquette we had here at Autopia. JMHO
 
it seems like "almost" every time a zaino comes up it starts a:argue which is kinda dumb, i think. I used Zaino yesterday and after using products like CK, PB & so on im not a zealot any more and i dont like zaino. But if you like it and think 100 coats is better than 2 then put on 100 coates as long as your car looks they way you want it to then all the opinions should be secondary. Detail on :xyxthumbs
 
I think these internet forums can be great....I read this one intermittently, and mainly focus on a couple of Harley related sites. My interest is in learning, and of sharing data.. as opposed to entertainment, but obviously to each his own.



Often these m/c "tech boards" degenerate into oil, seat,or muffler discussions which focus more on "mine is better than yours" vice anything tangible.



Some entire forum sites have been closed because things got out of control.



Re autopia, I have found this particular site to be invaluable. As a zaino user, this forum has provided all sorts of experiencial data that is not on the company web site. Heck, if you just read the instructions on the web site, you might never know foam applicator and microfiber towel for polish take off are not just fine, but really superior.



If all all possible let'd try to emphasize the positive, and the flow of good information, and minimize bashing of products or people.



**** Pribyl
 
RedondoV6 said:
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster"



The above is a moden translation of a quote from Nietzsche.



To the non Zaino users who insist in crashing into every thread that is discussing the use of Zaino, why do it ? I do not see other users behaving in this way at Autopia regarding other LSP's, why is it necessary for Zaino, especially by those of you who do not use the product? Do you really think you are making a positive contribution to the forum when you do this?
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you must of never opened a NXT thread then :dunno:
 
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