Z8 or Z-cs?
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gmblack3a said:
Sure, it's like car recalls...that's a car company's way of reaching out to help with problems/defects in their product, but that doesn't keep people from trading in the car and never buying another one like it...and also voicing their displeasure over owning the vehicle to relatives, friends, internet forums, etc... I know there are plenty of internet forums full of people complaining about their cars and their makers, despite a manufacturer helping or not with a situation...
A few yrs back I had a dispute with a large detailing supply company out of FL about the way I was treated by one of their employees. They thought it was ok that the employee treated me that way. So we went round and round on another site. I still was not happy even after they sent me a few free items. I sent off the items to another person on the forum that said they would like them. Now that supplier is mentioned just about everyday on this forum, but I choose not to get into every post where they are mentioned and tell everyone about my situation. JMO.....
imported_memnuts
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Do not forget one very important factor in this discussion. The original CS was/is a very good product. It performs well for the majority of it user (sorry Mike it hasn't worked for you) and it is no new news that Sal/Zaino continually tweaks his products without fanfare or announcements. I was personally very happy with my 2 bottles(1 was traded for from Scott) and would have remained satisfied if I was not exposed to the beta testing (which continues at Zaino infinitum). Personally, I wish all product lines would continue to improve their products.:usa
Like many products discussed here that receive great reviews but my personal experience was quite the opposite. Rather then troll and speak badly of a product that didn't perform for me, I just put it off that "my" situation did not mix well with that product. In other words, rather than assume my situation/experience is the majority, I just move on or reach out for help in using this product.
Like many products discussed here that receive great reviews but my personal experience was quite the opposite. Rather then troll and speak badly of a product that didn't perform for me, I just put it off that "my" situation did not mix well with that product. In other words, rather than assume my situation/experience is the majority, I just move on or reach out for help in using this product.
wannafbody
wannafbody
I've noticed more of a sheeting or water resistance with CS vs traditional beading. Z8 has more of a glow to it and CS has more of a clear look.
That's fine, but I wasn't treated badly by anyone. I tried a product and have an opinion on it, that happens to differ from yours. Can people not offer and/or take an opposing viewpoint?
What this boils down to is that I actually love how I am indirectly being told that I should effectively censor myself by a few people because of my opinion and experience with Zaino ClearSeal any time a thread comes up talking about it. Or, that I should keep quiet because I didn't talk with Sal. What could Sal have possibly said that would magically make my CS last 9 months, instead of 2?????? Are folks talking to David before posting that Ultima just isn't worth it and not working for them? No, ok, then by your logic, I think their opinions should be kept silent. What gets me, it's like only positve, glowing reports are allowed, otherwise you should keep your mouth shut, because we all know Zaino rules the world, and there is absolutely never, ever, under ANY instance, anything wrong with Zaino, or the products. I ask you, is Zaino a perfect company, with perfect products? I must have missed where it was created by God. I think to some here, the answer is clearly yes, and there is no other option.
If I am to censor my opinions on ClearSeal, then I ask you and your Z troops to also censor your positive opinions any time a Z thread is brought up. (Yeah right!) See how crazy that is? I've got news for you, my experience with CS is as valid as yours, and I see no reason to sugarcoat it or censor it. You wanna give your opinion, I want to give mine.
And, for the record, they may not have started a thread about it, but I see a LOT of people complaining or raising the same concerns about many of the same things I have with CS. But, I guess they should all be kept quiet too!
What this boils down to is that I actually love how I am indirectly being told that I should effectively censor myself by a few people because of my opinion and experience with Zaino ClearSeal any time a thread comes up talking about it. Or, that I should keep quiet because I didn't talk with Sal. What could Sal have possibly said that would magically make my CS last 9 months, instead of 2?????? Are folks talking to David before posting that Ultima just isn't worth it and not working for them? No, ok, then by your logic, I think their opinions should be kept silent. What gets me, it's like only positve, glowing reports are allowed, otherwise you should keep your mouth shut, because we all know Zaino rules the world, and there is absolutely never, ever, under ANY instance, anything wrong with Zaino, or the products. I ask you, is Zaino a perfect company, with perfect products? I must have missed where it was created by God. I think to some here, the answer is clearly yes, and there is no other option.
If I am to censor my opinions on ClearSeal, then I ask you and your Z troops to also censor your positive opinions any time a Z thread is brought up. (Yeah right!) See how crazy that is? I've got news for you, my experience with CS is as valid as yours, and I see no reason to sugarcoat it or censor it. You wanna give your opinion, I want to give mine.
And, for the record, they may not have started a thread about it, but I see a LOT of people complaining or raising the same concerns about many of the same things I have with CS. But, I guess they should all be kept quiet too!
TigerMike said:
Thats fine if you think thats what should happen, but unfortunately, as far as detailing products go, it happens constantly. Optimum tire shine and OCW both are being tweaked, Ultima Trim and Tire are is being tweaked just to name a couple. Additionally, because they are tweaked doesn't mean the intial product is bad.
And your logical parallel regarding an automobile that is a lemon compared to a detailing product that is being tweaked, is flawed reasoning. A better comparison is a car that has a TSB released, does it make it a terrible car if a TSB is issued? (Technical Service Bulletin).
How the whole TigerMike v. Zaino CS pops up everywhere it's mentioned is fun.
NSXTASY said:
I'm glad it's fun. At least it's honest. What's fun for me is anytime a Zaino thread is started, before I even click I know the propaganda and ad copy will be there. And, every time I'm right. Funny how that works!
Also, what's fun, is that I don't prefer ONE and only one product that Zaino has made and I am being raked over the coals over it. I have not once said the other Zaino products (which I have used them all) are no good. In fact, quite the opposite.
Mike, I am not telling you what to do. I am just giving you my experiences.
The one thing you are right about is many people have good experiences with zaino. I'll bet more of those don't post about it here then the few that do.
Before I click on a zaino thread I too know what a few others are going to say, now how is that different from what you say you see?
I can tell you 100% for sure that any detailer here who uses zaino, does as he thinks it works the best for him or her. Either on their own or clients cars. That is true of any product. So why is it "propaganda" as you claim?
The one thing you are right about is many people have good experiences with zaino. I'll bet more of those don't post about it here then the few that do.
Before I click on a zaino thread I too know what a few others are going to say, now how is that different from what you say you see?
I can tell you 100% for sure that any detailer here who uses zaino, does as he thinks it works the best for him or her. Either on their own or clients cars. That is true of any product. So why is it "propaganda" as you claim?
imported_MCA
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Back on the OP's question - I am a Z8-only guy. In my opinion, the appearance/look given by Z8 is much better than CS. I traded some Z2 pro for CS (gotta love the low product usage of Zaino) to do some tests. CS just never really blew me away - It's like it did everything good, just not as well as the others in the lineup.
I slap on 2 or 3 coats of Z2 Pro and I'm good for at least 4-6 months of durability. Wash weekly and finish up with a Z8 wipedown. Looks and ease of use in one package.
I slap on 2 or 3 coats of Z2 Pro and I'm good for at least 4-6 months of durability. Wash weekly and finish up with a Z8 wipedown. Looks and ease of use in one package.
Setec Astronomy
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gmblack3a said:
It's propaganda because you are allowed to have your opinion about Zaino products, but TigerMike isn't. His is "wrong", because he didn't talk to Sal, or because he doesn't have the latest formulation, blah blah blah. If I come to Autopia and say I'm disappointed with NXT even though it is raved about on MOL, I am not told to go away and don't have my opinion, or that I have to talk to Barry or Mike Phillips before I have an opinion (well, maybe I would be told that
, but I shouldn't be).If you said, "well, I have my opinion and you have yours" that would be fine, but you said Mike can't have his opinion because he didn't talk to Sal:
gmblack3a said:
:nixweiss
I'm with Scott, I don't "get" CS. I had great success with Z2-Pro/Z-5/ZFX/Z-8, not so much with Z-AIO and CS. Perhaps Sal traded off something to get the ease of use and convenience that these products promise and deliver.
Anyway, back on topic, and to the original poster, I would use Z-8, it is just a fantastic product.
Of course, the CS is God's gift to detailing. TigerMike, you have strayed and can't have an opinion. Here, lie down and sleep, you will see more clearly when you wake up. (Setec, speaking from inside the pod).
Hey, I was just at MOL, they have this great sealant called NXT! Everyone there raves about it.
Setec Astronomy
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MCA said:
+1! I guess we are just the Zaino purists...
mg031
Member
So what features/improvements are in the supposed Z-CS upgrade ?
I have an 'older' bottle from april.
I have an 'older' bottle from april.
imported_Bence
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If I have to choose then it is Z8 without question.
And no, Z-CS was not the first WOWA on the market...
And no, Z-CS was not the first WOWA on the market...
As the OP I do appreciate all points of view. If I just wanted Pro-Z comments I'd go to their site.
So I personally thank Tigermike for his dissension.
I am very happy with the look of Z5/Z2, and don't think I'll give that up. I think I'm going to Z8 after each weekly wash, and maybe CS it once every other month, and Z5/Z2 it twice a year.
So I personally thank Tigermike for his dissension.
I am very happy with the look of Z5/Z2, and don't think I'll give that up. I think I'm going to Z8 after each weekly wash, and maybe CS it once every other month, and Z5/Z2 it twice a year.
Cleaning Fool
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If I ordered something or purchased something that simply did not work like the manufacturer claimed, I would simply ask for my money back. Worse that can happen is they say no
wannafbody
wannafbody
As for liking vs not liking Zaino that is a personal issue. I didn't care for Z8 for a while. In fact initially I had trouble with it. I read to cut it with some distilled water and *BAM* majically all my issues were resolved. I like it's ease of use and glow. People have complained about ZFX and mixing and so Sal offered an easy to use AIO and an even easier to use CS topper. Some people don't like them. No big deal, just use what you like. But why bother to complain in every Zaino thread?