Z-PC Hazing when used with a PC+Polishing Pad

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Kewjoe

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I've seen the video (Link). I don't think I'm using too much product (very thin line in a circle), I'm working until its very translucent. But I keep getting haze!



Step:

Z7 Wash

Clay

Optimum HC and C entire car using LC Orange or Yellow pads

50a/50w wipedown



Now I'm using the white LC pad, i started with a nickle size. That area i used the nickel size, hazed the most. I went over it again with only a thin line and some hazing went away but not all. I've since done 3 more parts of the hood and they all have slight haze, and its not the entire panel, just small areas show hazing, while others are fine :doh



Any ideas?
 
What color is your car? Black?



Without any further information, I'd guess OHC is leaving too deep of marring to be cleaned up by Z-PC. Also, if your car is pure black...I'll bet Z-PC by itself will leave a slight haze (accumulation of micro-marring); try ZPC on an area you haven't compounded to find out.



If you have heavy swirls, this would be my process (given the product you have):



1) Compound with OHC and orange pad

2) light compound step with Optimum Compound via white pad

3) Z-PC via white pad (and not too much pressure)



But first try step #3 by itself to make sure it isn't responsible for some of the haze you see.
 
Thanks for the reply Rag,



Car is a Red 2004 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V



my hood didn't see any OHC, just OC. And it didn't leave any noticable haze when i was done (under two 500watt halogen worklights).



Im applying very light pressure with the Z-PC and white pad.



I don't have have an area of my car that i didn't compound :P this was my first time correcting paint on the car, so i did everything.
 
Here is what it says on Zaino Website about Z-PC



I used Z-PC and now the paint looks hazy. Is this normal?

Dark color surfaces, especially black, will sometimes leave you with a slightly hazy or milky surface after using Z-PC. Z-PC Fusion does not have any fillers or oils. To make the surface crystal clear, apply your ZFX enabled Z2 or Z5 to make this milky look go away, leaving a perfect, crisp, clear, BLACK and scratch free finish.



http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-PC&Category_Code=Zaino



What you are seeing could be normal.
 
I don't think the hazing is from the Optimum, as even on the softest of black paints I can go from OHC on a cutting pad to FPII on a polishing pad(via PC). I'd say to just forget using Z-PC and use some other finishing polish that you know works.
 
DennisH said:
Here is what it says on Zaino Website about Z-PC



I used Z-PC and now the paint looks hazy. Is this normal?

Dark color surfaces, especially black, will sometimes leave you with a slightly hazy or milky surface after using Z-PC. Z-PC Fusion does not have any fillers or oils. To make the surface crystal clear, apply your ZFX enabled Z2 or Z5 to make this milky look go away, leaving a perfect, crisp, clear, BLACK and scratch free finish.



http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-PC&Category_Code=Zaino



What you are seeing could be normal.
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Sounds good. I'll go with this :)



ill wash the pad as well and start fresh to make sure i have the proper amount of product on the pad.



Thanks folks
 
DennisH said:
Here is what it says on Zaino Website about Z-PC



I used Z-PC and now the paint looks hazy. Is this normal?

Dark color surfaces, especially black, will sometimes leave you with a slightly hazy or milky surface after using Z-PC. Z-PC Fusion does not have any fillers or oils. To make the surface crystal clear, apply your ZFX enabled Z2 or Z5 to make this milky look go away, leaving a perfect, crisp, clear, BLACK and scratch free finish.



http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-PC&Category_Code=Zaino



What you are seeing could be normal.
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I've read this statement off the Zaino site in a few threads and I just dont' get it. Shouldn't a correctly polished surface look good without the LSP? :nixweiss



If there is hazing and micromarring before the Z2 or Z5 is applied won't it be visible again after the LSP wears away? I thought the point of Z2 and Z5 was to protect a properly prepared surface, not hide an improperly prepared one. I'm a big fan of Zaino, but if ZPC is going to cause these problems I doubt I'll ever use it. :sadpace:



Mike
 
Kewjoe said:
:2thumbs:



Sounds good. I'll go with this :)



ill wash the pad as well and start fresh to make sure i have the proper amount of product on the pad.



Thanks folks
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Don't worry so much about the right amount of product...it really should not be responsible for the issue you are having.



And per the previous post...I'd ditch the Z-PC and get me some PO106FF if I were you.



One more thing - I surprised you didn't see any compound from OC or OHC, as both of these have left noticable micromarring (haze) when I've used them via PC on blue, red, and black paints...especially when one uses a yellow pad.
 
RAG said:
Don't worry so much about the right amount of product...it really should not be responsible for the issue you are having.



And per the previous post...I'd ditch the Z-PC and get me some PO106FF if I were you.



One more thing - I surprised you didn't see any compound from OC or OHC, as both of these have left noticable micromarring (haze) when I've used them via PC on blue, red, and black paints...especially when one uses a yellow pad.
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If there were micromarring i would see them with those 2x500watt halogen work lamps i have. I've seen micromarring pictures, but my car looks perfect. *shrug*. I was expecting some with the OHC and Yellow pad for sure, but i didn't use that combo for very much, one small area i think.



I can't ditch the Z-PC, i paid $20 CDN for it :P have to make use of it. If i were to get another polish, id just complete the collection and get the OP.. but ive spent enough on products for a while. I need to make this work :)



thanks for the replies
 
try the ZPC with an orange one step pad. I've used it on Navy blue mettallic and it left a LSP ready surface. I use about 10 small dots of product on the pad and work it until it's clear. The ZPC should remove any hazing from OHC.
 
wannafbody said:
try the ZPC with an orange one step pad. I've used it on Navy blue mettallic and it left a LSP ready surface. I use about 10 small dots of product on the pad and work it until it's clear. The ZPC should remove any hazing from OHC.
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Is an Orange one step pad, teh same as an LC Orange pad?



I have 3 pads,



LC Yellow Heavy Cut

LC Orange Mild Cut

LC White Polishing



i also have the above 3 in 4" pads, and a black finishing pad
 
This hazing didn't end up going away after applying 3 layers of Z5 :(



Kind of bummed, spent many hours on this only to have some hazing here and there. not consistent at all. I went over the spots with the hazing again and it just moves the hazing to a different spot.. strange.. only happened on a few panels.. not the whole car.. ah well.. will have to wait till spring before i care to spend that much time again.



Slowly losing my patience with Zaino products
 
Kewjoe said:
This hazing didn't end up going away after applying 3 layers of Z5 :(



Kind of bummed, spent many hours on this only to have some hazing here and there. not consistent at all. I went over the spots with the hazing again and it just moves the hazing to a different spot.. strange.. only happened on a few panels.. not the whole car.. ah well.. will have to wait till spring before i care to spend that much time again.



Slowly losing my patience with Zaino products
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that sounds like possibly a dry buffing issue. Try using a spray of water to keep the product moist to work longer. The LC orange is the same pad I have. ZPC is a fairly aggressive product and that might be part of your issue. As I stated elswhere use less than you think you hsould and buff it out to a real thin layer and work it in. If you continue to have problems use a milder polish such as menzerna or Mothers Powerpolish. The Mothers is extremely easy to use. Just do an ISO wipedown.
 
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