Your Dream Wax

The sarcasm was there like gravy on thanksgiving day. :-)



On turning clearcoats yellow, that's a new one to me. Carnauba in its raw form is indeed a yellow-ish color:



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...but will not turn any clearcoat we've ever seen or heard of yellow over time. While a lot of manufacturers use "White" carnauba, this is simply the practice of bleaching or dying in some fashion to make it white. I dont think this is what the poster is referring to by yellowing of the clear coat, but I want folks to know that not dying or bleaching a carnauba to white will not make your clearcoat yellow.



The article that jedi refers to where DavidB denounces carnauba dead is at:



Is Carnauba Paste Wax a Dinosaur?



...it's about a year and a half old or so and is worthy of a read.



Of course too, there's references in the article to VOC's, which can make up a majority of the percentage in less expensive waxes. Those interested in what a VOC is:



Volatile organic compound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Danase said:
I am pretty sure he was being sarcastic about only hearing of Zaino twice.



And I would also like to know what carnaubas you are using that turned clearcoat yellow.



Not to be disrespectful or anything but you sort of sound like one of those guys that refuse to try anything other than the products you currently use. I don't have a problem with that at all, if they work for you great. However, I would not call a product the benchmark until I have used them all or at least a lot of them.
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I'm not sure about sarcastic.. He only mentioned Z8 and not others.. if he was I didn't get

it. :-)



Turning yellow is the general consensus for most carnaubas. That's why you'll hear

some wax maker claiming their wax doen't turn yellow this or that. Carnauba in the

purest form is not clear like clearcoat. And it is not a rocket science to understand what

will happen to the clearcoat if one were to keep staining with yellowish carnauba. :-) This

may not be obvious on dark color but on white you'll notice. I used to own a white bmw

and I can tell you based on my own experience. My bright white car turned into yellowish

white overtime and it would turn back to the bright white each time the clearcoat gets

polished. I owned the car for 8 years so I see this transformation again and again.



I make a living being an engineer. So I like experiments and believe in results, not

some marketing hype. Like many folks in this forum, I have used Zymol (the expensive

line, not the cheap OTC product), P21S, Pinnacle, Meguiars, Klasse, etc. Like many

enthusiasts, I've been wasting money searching for the magic product. :-) I have

discovered Zaino due to my openness because zaino isn't widely available like other

products that I mentioned. You ought to try it if you haven't done so. :-)
 
I will stand by my statement!



MDRX8 said:
A correctly preped car, a coat of Pinnacle XMT Carnauba Finishing Glaze, a coat of Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax then see what a wax will do!!! Or use CG 5050.
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jedi_force said:
I'm not sure about sarcastic.. He only mentioned Z8 and not others.. if he was I didn't get

it. :-)
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I am pretty sure it's sarcasm man......why would he say he only heard of it once or twice

Zaino is like the most mentioned product now a day anyway....you'll see it in every single car forum.



anyway.....white car will turn yellow regarless what you put on

even if you don't put anything on it. the sun will make it yellow or something.......I find claying make it a little whiter



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for op.....if you make zymol vintage knocoff for $50.00 a tin i think everyone will be happy lol

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Danae have you restock VM?



PS Carnauba raw form look like pudding....yum :bounce
 
kyotousa said:
anyway.....white car will turn yellow regarless what you put on

even if you don't put anything on it. the sun will make it yellow or something.......I find claying make it a little whiter
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I was thinking the same until I saw another 5 years old white bmw maintained with Zaino. :-)
 
jedi_force said:
I was thinking the same until I saw another 5 years old white bmw maintained with Zaino. :-)
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maybe he polishes or clay every single wash haha



anyway I am just pointing out that since white car will turn yellow with nothing on it, your statement on carnauba wax turn white car yellow doesn't really stand.



I am sure we'll find some non yellow car use carnauba wax.



PS

I have a white TSX....currently using AIO & NXT.....so i donno...

I just know that my car got white after I start claying
 
MDRX8 said:
I will stand by my statement!
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I agree. Saying using a carnauba wax is waste of time and zaino is 'the greatest' is as you say your opinion. Carnauba wax is not a waste at all. preferable to zaino imo actually. Durability is given, but I dont care frankly as i wax for enjoyment and get great results that please me. Shine is personal as I have tried zaino and find the looks better from other products like the carnauba waxes you so dissmised and other sealants(as others have otherwise everyone would be a zainohead, right?). This being said prep is everything.



Anyways we are not here having anther zaino talk but talking about a CARNAUBA wax. My .02.
 
It is also not rocket science,to understand that you cannot 'stain' clear coated paint with any wax,regardless of colour.



Do the coloured waxes from a certain well known brand 'stain' clear coats? If you take some carnauba wax from whatever container you have,and rub it between your palms,what colour is it? does it 'stain' your hands?
 
jedi_force said:
Turning yellow is the general consensus for most carnaubas. That's why you'll hear some wax maker claiming their wax doen't turn yellow this or that.
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It is - as you said - a "general consensus". Nothing more. Car care manufacturers claim what they claim because of the mentioned "gc", which is a common perception. If the customer hesitant to purchase a product, he will be assured that it won't yellow the (rather impermeable) clearcoat. So, he feels safe and decides in favor of the product. THAT'S not rocket science. In the old days, it was possible to build up umpteen wax layers which were not quite beneficial to the overall optics. These days are gone - and you can experience it when you do 10 coats of spitshined high end carnauba.





jedi_force said:
Carnauba in the purest form is not clear like clearcoat. And it is not a rocket science to understand what will happen to the clearcoat if one were to keep staining with yellowish carnauba. :-)
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Not to confuse you, but clearcoat has a slight amberish hue in a jar... so it isn't completely clear. Certain waxes can complement this which result in a rich, vibrant finish.

Even clear liquids like TW Ice or ClearVue Wax are unable to reach 99.9% optical clarity, let alone a pink or a purple liquid. However, target customers often PERCEIVE a pink or purple colored product as superior when compared to other colors.





Will, the colored wax analogy is great, alongside with the yellow, stained skin!
 
Yup. I honestly think the reason some people say Natty's Blue, for example, works better on dark colors is because the wax itself is a dark-ish blue - perhaps it enhances the colors of the paint by making it seem a bit darker?
 
benvegas said:
....what would be in it? Would you go for a high carnauba weight/volume or would you go with the exotic oils such as zymol produces (or both!)? What is missing from current waxes? Where would you improve if you were a manufacturer?



Currently we're working on a new hard wax fomula, I'd like to try a "Pay $2-$3 for shipping" deal where for the couple dollars donated to the post office you can try out a regular sized tub of wax as we test our own beta versions along side your own tests. This type of interaction has never been done before, and I think it'd be neat to make the worlds first enthusiast designed wax. The only requirements, of course, would be a form of results report from each tester so we can tweak each batch based on feedback. We're on batch #11 right now of the product, the end goal is to exceed 5050 results and be a little more on the exotic side while maintaining affordability. When will it be out? 3 Months is a reasonable time frame and expect around 20 more batches to be created. When will testing start? "Soon".
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It appears I am 1 of your Guinea Pigs for lots of reasons!



First off, I am absolutely honest, I don't lie, except in very special situations! Those situations don't include evaluating a product, or any form of "kissing"!.

I am brand new to this forum somewhat, I have been trained by the masters of the forum in the techniques of almost everything but still have questions. They have literally beat into my mind how to do it right. Therefore that is the path I will explicitly follow.

Anything you tell me would be kept in confidence except for several masters of this detailing website, Accumulator, Flying Scott, John (aka, Ellliot Ness), and Tom (Mr. old reliable).

If you are comfortable with this I would be more than happy to be a test rep.



I wouldn't start till spring, around April, when I could control things without climate interruption.

The vehicle is BLACK, untouched by mortal hands, 1999 Toyota Tacoma, TRD.



But be forewarned, I will tell the truth!

Changeling
 
Changeling, if you want to be part of the beta testing, just go to his website and on the left there will be a link for beta tester. You pay $3.99 and depending on which batch they're on or if he's waiting for a new batch, that is what he'll send.



I got the #25 batch a few weeks back and today I got a notice that he just shipped something, which I believe is the #32 or #31 batch.
 
I wouldn't mind testing, I could compare side-by-side with these waxes I have:



Collinite Insulator wax 845, Super Double Coat 476

Meguiars # 26 paste and liquid, # 16 paste

Poorboys Natty's Blue

P21S, S100 (have both)

Zymol Japon



I'm a wax junkie, so Iwouldn't mid doing some testing. Let me know...
 
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