xzlion paint protecter

White95Max said:
Yes, there is a member that got ripped off with that BS and I believe he got most or all of his money back after a lot of complaining to the dealership and/or corporate.



All the dealer lifetime sealants are a bunch of crap.
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I think I'm the one White95Max is referring to who got ripped off, and I've since gotten the vast majority of my money back.



It was my displeasure with the application and cost of this stuff that led me to find this detailing site and some others, and get involved in real detailing. So I guess some good came out of this mess, eh?
 
LOL, I have experience with all of them, and more. I get pitched this stuff or something like it at least once a month.



Folks, don't underestimate how easy it is to sell this stuff. I won't do it, but the pressure from above is really strong because the profit potential is so great.



What you have is a typical sealant product. It isn't better, nor worse, than any other decent sealant. Resistall, TST, Xzilon, Simoniz, etc. etc. These products ARE tweaked more toward longevity than toward appearance; you'll get a really bright shiny depthless look that is particularly garish under flourescent lights (Right hondaprep06?). But they do do a good job of resisting acid rain, bird droppings, and the like. My last employer applied it to the inventory for his own protection. I'd say they last about a year. But they don't look as good as Meg's #20 for example, or any premium product like Z or NXT or whatever it is you've taken to heart.



I sent a sample of Resistall to someone who gave it to a chemist, who took a sniff and said "typical aminofuctional silicone polymer sealant" and walked away. I don't know what that tells you.



Don't underestimate the durability of this stuff, by the way. I put Diamondite on my windshield last spring and I still can't get about 60% of it off; I even sprayed the windshield with Acrysol, to no avail. It will last in some form. Five years? I don't see that. But everyone forgets they have it anyhow, so it doesn't matter.





Tom
 
I agree with Mosca...I think it just has to last until the paperwork gets filed in your desk at home, and the memory of making the deal fades away...
 
yeah...it does provide some shine.....for temporary apperance reasons....you know....so the owner feels good about getting it applied....but like he said...its a depthless shine thats only temporary.....so the 5 year idea is that after 2 you forget about it....so im just gonna keep applying it because im paid to...although im not anticipating any real longevity to any of these products
 
Mosca said:
Folks, don't underestimate how easy it is to sell this stuff. I won't do it, but the pressure from above is really strong because the profit potential is so great.
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Yep, at my Honda dealer the average price is $400 per auto, and I believe their cost is less than $30 per auto (just my impression after talking to the sales mgr). However, in my experience over the last 13 months buying new cars, they start the pitch at ~$800. Ugh.



Easy to sell, indeed. Just when the buyer is feeling really good about their new purchase and they start pushing the add-ons, xzilion & ect, with the intent of playing on the buyers emotional state, and making them feel guilty if they don't 'invest' in these premium car care services. "After all, what's an additional $5 to $10 per month to get these...?" In my case, it brought me some major headaches.





Mosca said:
Don't underestimate the durability of this stuff, by the way. I put Diamondite on my windshield last spring and I still can't get about 60% of it off; I even sprayed the windshield with Acrysol, to no avail. It will last in some form. Five years? I don't see that. But everyone forgets they have it anyhow, so it doesn't matter.



Tom
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I can tell you that the xzilion product is exceptionally durable, or at least close to impossible to remove. My major compliant was that it was applied incorrectly, resulting in water spots in the xzilion coat. The only way to remove the stuff is to let it wear off over time, or cut it off with a heavy abrasive. Neither of these options pleased me. I've spent time speaking to their tech support and they claim there is no chemical that can remove their product.



BTW, I did get a refund for what I paid for it on my Honda.



Now, it seems to have been applied correctly on my wifes Liberty (only 1 spot seems to be in the x coat) and I don't have any complaints about it. Since I keep WG or EX on it I doubt it'll ever wear off unless the stuff 'loosens' over time and comes off when I polish or cleanse the paint in the future.



I am in the process of getting my daughter a new car (she just totalled her '99 Saturn, ugh) and the leading candidate is an 06 Civic, which takes me right back to the same dealership for the 3rd new car purchase in 13 months (I better get a sweet deal, right?) and you can bet your next paycheck that I ain't gonna fall for the x crap a 3rd time.
 
"Depthless shine", that's a good way to say it. But it does last.



And no one ever comes back for a claim, ever. I think I remember MAYBE one claim in 20 years, but it might have been someone telling me about a claim once rather than one I actually had myself. Back in the late '80s and early '90s the domestic manufacturers had a real problem with their paint standing up to acid rain and snow; I'd see cars with pits all the way down to bare metal. But I don't see that any more.
 
docker said:
Easy to sell, indeed. Just when the buyer is feeling really good about their new purchase and they start pushing the add-ons, xzilion & ect, with the intent of playing on the buyers emotional state, and making them feel guilty if they don't 'invest' in these premium car care services. "After all, what's an additional $5 to $10 per month to get these...?" In my case, it brought me some major headaches.
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Actually docker, it's easier than that. You don't need to push it at all. All you have to do is tell them what it is and let them say yes.



Most of the other stuff, there are enough claims that I see myself giving value. There is at least one service contract claim per day, usually a dozen or so GAP claims a year (often HUGE amounts), and a decent number of bent wheels and blown tires and damaged sidewalls here in the northeast. And when we sold A&H coverage, for a period of about two years we actually paid out more in claims than we took in in premiums.



But you have to be careful when you're offering a product and there are no claims whatsoever.





Tom
 
I just don't buy it. I will never believe in any "sealant" the dealer tries to sell me. When someone who knows says the cost to dealer is $30 per car and they start the pitch with you at $800 there is now way on earth you can rationalize that crap to me. It's pure profit and nothing more. Waste of money, and frankly I can't believe anyone would pay for this. I'll sell you a bridge if you're interested.
 
docker said:
I am in the process of getting my daughter a new car (she just totalled her '99 Saturn, ugh) and the leading candidate is an 06 Civic...
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She totalled her '99, so you're going to buy her an '06? :eek: This reminds me of high school, when this girl totalled 3 cars during her junior and senior years. Unbelieveable...she kept coming back with a new car every time. The last one was a Kia Sportage that she rolled. :rolleyes:
 
I've used GLARE and it seems quite durable. Not the best looking but better than some. Good enough that I'm using the remainder on our work pickup come spring.
 
White95Max said:
She totalled her '99, so you're going to buy her an '06? :eek: This reminds me of high school, when this girl totalled 3 cars during her junior and senior years. Unbelieveable...she kept coming back with a new car every time. The last one was a Kia Sportage that she rolled. :rolleyes:
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Actually I'm going to take the '06 and give her my '05 :chuckle: However, I know what you're saying... but she needs wheels and I want her to be in something safe (can't afford a Hummer or a Sherman). She's had 3 at-faults in the last 3 years, however, only the first was due to her stupidity and the other 2 were unavoidable but determined to be her fault since she struck the other automobiles. These 2 were due to iced roads where multiple accidents ended up occuring.
 
docker said:
Actually I'm going to take the '06 and give her my '05 :chuckle: However, I know what you're saying... but she needs wheels and I want her to be in something safe (can't afford a Hummer or a Sherman). She's had 3 at-faults in the last 3 years, however, only the first was due to her stupidity and the other 2 were unavoidable but determined to be her fault since she struck the other automobiles. These 2 were due to iced roads where multiple accidents ended up occuring.
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Buy her a set of winter tires for the '05 then. ;)
 
Never heard of Green Diamond. I'm very happy with my Dunlop Winter Sport M3s though. I'd go with a well-known, highly-recommended winter tire. After all...it's your daughter's protection that you're dealing with.
 
Tasty said:
I just don't buy it. I will never believe in any "sealant" the dealer tries to sell me. When someone who knows says the cost to dealer is $30 per car and they start the pitch with you at $800 there is now way on earth you can rationalize that crap to me. It's pure profit and nothing more. Waste of money, and frankly I can't believe anyone would pay for this. I'll sell you a bridge if you're interested.
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Cost is more like $90, but you got the idea. ($10 for the stuff, $30 for the guys to put it on, $50 to the warranty company).





Tom
 
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