X-Kote Job 2003 Jetta
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salty
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Here are a couple more afters.
Not sure if the lens is dirty or if the car had some lint in the first picture.
Not sure if the lens is dirty or if the car had some lint in the first picture.
^&04types
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what type of rotary do u have?
imported_edschwab1
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The Jetta and PT look really good.
Some questions about X-kote:
1. May multiple coats/layers of x-kote be applied?
2. Does X-kote leave a measurable layer of clear replacment. Increase in in mils or microns?
3. How durable is X-kote?
In winter conditions?
With little or no maintenence?
With weekly washing by hand or tunnel wash?
After compounding?
TIA
Some questions about X-kote:
1. May multiple coats/layers of x-kote be applied?
2. Does X-kote leave a measurable layer of clear replacment. Increase in in mils or microns?
3. How durable is X-kote?
In winter conditions?
With little or no maintenence?
With weekly washing by hand or tunnel wash?
After compounding?
TIA
vwgtivw
Don't diss the FAST!!
Whats the cost? I do a lot of used cars and this look like a product I could use.
edschwab1 said:
1) You can reapply x-kote over old x-kote jobs up to about 4 times, after that it starts to get difficult to apply the product to the car. At that point I would strip the car down to the original surface and start fresh. I don't have a concrete answer about building multiple layers.
2) I have not taken a depth gauge to a car, x-kote'd it then checked it again to get an accurate idea of how thick a layer it lays down. I can look into that in the future though for you guys.
3)X-kote is very durable. I have been appplying it here in western canada with temps getting as low as -32C ( -25F) and have had no issues. With proper cure time and if the customer follows our guidlines during the cure process the finish will be as durable as regular clearcoat.
4) How a person chooses to treat there car is how there X-Kote job is going to look. Like any detail job if you spent all day polishing up a person's car then they went to a car wash 2 days later and dragged a car wash brush across there car it's going to scratch. X-Kote is ok in automated car washes after the proper cure time.
I top all my X-Kote jobs after about 2 hours witih either a spray wax and wipe, or a SG, I have Klasse SG and Luster Glazes' Luster Sheen in the shop right now so that is what I am using with good results. X-Kote power polishes up very nicely. I have fixed a few customer screw ups( ie: wife drags a winter snow brush over the new X-Kote job:wall ) You can do about 1 heavy multiple compound polish or 2 light cut polishes to an X-Kote job before you will burn through it back to the original clear. What a funny feeling when you burn through X-Kote, you know you haven't wrecked the paint :clap: just the X-Kote, and that can be fixed at minmal cost.
vwgtivw said:
Cost is up to each dealer. I charge a base fee of $249 to do an X-Kote. Any prepolishing is an additional $15 per panel, tar or sap removal is an extra $25. most of the time it runs around $300-$350 and I put in 3-5 hrs for a standard job. Some of the really bad ones with overspray that needs to be sanded, the oxidized cars they can take a couple days to finish and those ones cost more of course.
Here are some new pics of a recent car.
2003 Olds Alero, looks like it had been through a tonne of auto car washes. There was no shine to the sides of the car lots of. All that was done was polish out some small deeper scraches in areas of the car like the bumper, rear quarter and a fender. Washed and Clay'd the car to remove tar and contaminents. Then layed the X-Kote. Total process from wash to finished was roughly 2 1/2 hours.
Pic of an installer applying product.
2003 Olds Alero, looks like it had been through a tonne of auto car washes. There was no shine to the sides of the car lots of. All that was done was polish out some small deeper scraches in areas of the car like the bumper, rear quarter and a fender. Washed and Clay'd the car to remove tar and contaminents. Then layed the X-Kote. Total process from wash to finished was roughly 2 1/2 hours.
Pic of an installer applying product.
Why is it that they refuse to sell it to anyone but their distributors? I can go and buy a paint gun and clearcoat and spray it on my car without being a dealer which is much harder than applying xcoat.
Any of you xcoat dealers willing to sell me some product? There are no xcoat dealers within 300 miles of new jersey according to their website and im not going that far.
Any of you xcoat dealers willing to sell me some product? There are no xcoat dealers within 300 miles of new jersey according to their website and im not going that far.
Quite simply, X-Kote is a unique product. Without training product can be installed improperly. I recently have come across someone in my area attempting to install X-Kote that they purchased illegally from another distributor, untrained and unaware of the process. Needless to say there attempts look like crap and someone is in a little hot water now for selling out of territory.
X-Kote is not out to rip people off. If we were then this stuff would be mass marketed on store shelves, people would buy it and 99% would probably put it on wrong. We want quality installers and nice looking jobs going out the door everytime.
X-Kote is not out to rip people off. If we were then this stuff would be mass marketed on store shelves, people would buy it and 99% would probably put it on wrong. We want quality installers and nice looking jobs going out the door everytime.
But like I said, spray on clear coat is harder to learn to install than xcoat, hell so is spray on paint but yet I can go to the store and buy right now a paint gun for my air compressor and paint and clear coat and do it wrong but the paint companies and clear coat companies have no problem with that because they know there are people who do know how to do it so thats why they sell it.
So if i can ruin my car by applying spray clear coat wrong, how come i am not allowed to ruin my car by applying xkote wrong?
X-kote has a problem with people using it wrong if they dont know how, but all the companies that make clear coat have no problem.
So if i can ruin my car by applying spray clear coat wrong, how come i am not allowed to ruin my car by applying xkote wrong?
X-kote has a problem with people using it wrong if they dont know how, but all the companies that make clear coat have no problem.
salty
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So go spray your car with clear.
is this the same product??? It is made in Canada, etc....
Diamond-kote
ProKote DK (Diamond-Kote)4oz. is a perfect balanced ultra-gloss polymer treatment specially formulated to seal and protect your vehicle's paint finish
Diamond-kote
ProKote DK (Diamond-Kote)4oz. is a perfect balanced ultra-gloss polymer treatment specially formulated to seal and protect your vehicle's paint finish
imported_doctordon
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Ron: They can contain/control the process because, unlike clearcoat that you and I can buy from ten places in my town of 30,000, made by a dozen chemical companies; they do not yet have any major competitors. These large companies must not smell blood (read BIG bucks) in the market yet.
Perhaps there are some chems that create an issue for the applicator: three eyed children or such ....some other issue of chem costs, or whatever. There may be some unacceptable aging properties - the 20 Day shine syndrome. You don't think duPont has not known about it from Day One? (may make some of the base...)
Don't you think your local carwash would be doing this? I could teach someone who doesn't speak english to rub a car with a bit of material on a sponge. (if you can do Klasse correctly..) I could not teach him to shoot PPG clearcoat.
Having said all that, I'm impressed your results. And being someone in business for a bunch of years; I wish you continued success.
j i m
Perhaps there are some chems that create an issue for the applicator: three eyed children or such ....some other issue of chem costs, or whatever. There may be some unacceptable aging properties - the 20 Day shine syndrome. You don't think duPont has not known about it from Day One? (may make some of the base...)
Don't you think your local carwash would be doing this? I could teach someone who doesn't speak english to rub a car with a bit of material on a sponge. (if you can do Klasse correctly..) I could not teach him to shoot PPG clearcoat.
Having said all that, I'm impressed your results. And being someone in business for a bunch of years; I wish you continued success.
j i m
It seems pretty clear that the manufacturer has decided that this is a product that must be applied by a trained applicator. I haven't seen any do-it-yourself "Rhino Liner" kits on the shelves. There are spin offs of urethane bed liner systems but Rhino Liner is installed by trained applicators only. I have no affiliation to Flygti32 or to X-Kote, I didn't even know the product existed before stumbling across this post. I'm personally pretty intrigued by this product and think it may be a good business opportunity for someone willing to put in the time needed to educate the consumer.
DSVWGLI said:
A bit of CC/BC logic here: I don't know how this product works, but I can tell you that applying another clear coat of paint will completely hide 400-600 grit scratches; basically you can sand CCd paint (turing it completely scuffed/chaulky white) and then add clear on top and it will look perfect again...kind of like when you sand and then run water over the sanding marks. So if this product is actually laying down a clear layer of something on the paint, then it would make sense that it would hide the underneath defects...to an extent.